Longer video of the head-on wreck from the funny picture thread

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In order to avoid derailing that thread anymore, here is a longer video of the head-on collision from the dash-cam of the Deputy Sheriff's car.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI5wvtuZopk&feature=player_embedded

http://www.news9.com/story/15303026/canine-unit-suv-tangle-in-head-on-collision-in-south-okc

08/23 update:
http://www.news9.com/story/15317215...fs-office-releases-new-video-of-deputys-crash

Now argue away on who did what wrong. :hmm:
 
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YoungGun21

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Damn that is crazy. Don't get to see a head-on crash from that camera angle very often.
 

Harrod

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I see nothing wrong with what the cop did, if he would have stayed in his lane he still would have gotten hit, assuming he didn't start to brake.
 

dullard

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Clearly the other guy was on the wrong side of the road and is at fault. But, why would the officer ever turn left to avoid that accident? The rule is to move right, always. It is drivers ed 101 training to turn right. Turning left might miss the first car, but now you are the one in the wrong lane going the wrong direction and you'll likely hit others.

If everyone did that, there would be far fewer accidents. It looked like there was plenty of room to the right. It may possibly have been avoided if he moved just like the white truck did. Or at worse be a slight swipe at the back of the vehicles.
 
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he probably went to the left because there was a car to his right or he checked his blind spot real quick before deciding to go left, where there weren't any cars in the lane... and if there were, they would have plenty of time to stop and avoid a crash. if there was a car to his left, he would have hit them and wouldn't have avoided the head-on collision.

i think he probably did everything exactly right.
 

AMDZen

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I see nothing wrong with what the cop did, if he would have stayed in his lane he still would have gotten hit, assuming he didn't start to brake.

If he had swerved right, like you should in a situation like that, he wouldn't have been hit at all. Although he may have hit the white truck.

Not saying he did anything "wrong" per se, just that his instincts were incorrect.
 

LTC8K6

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Most likely, there was a car to the right of the deputy that cannot be seen in the video.

If he clips that car, he will be turned with his side of the cruiser facing more toward the drunk driver.
 

ProfJohn

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The guy had a whole second to react.

If he turns to the right then he gets nailed in the drivers side of the car. Much safer to turn to the left and get nailed in the empty passenger side than risk having a truck run through your door and kill you.
 

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Why would you swerve INTO oncoming traffic? That's the first thing they teach you in any defensive driving course. have an out, and know where it is. It's rarely INTO oncoming traffic.....

All in all, the accident is still 100% the drunks fault, but a trained professional should know the very basics of driving.
 

Number1

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If he had swerved right, like you should in a situation like that, he wouldn't have been hit at all. Although he may have hit the white truck.

Not saying he did anything "wrong" per se, just that his instincts were incorrect.

See post #10.

Not saying you're an idiot per se, just that..............
 

eits

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The guy had a whole second to react.

If he turns to the right then he gets nailed in the drivers side of the car. Much safer to turn to the left and get nailed in the empty passenger side than risk having a truck run through your door and kill you.

yup. that, too.

the cop did nothing wrong here. i think his quick reaction time and decision-making given the circumstances was pretty awesome.

:thumbsup: for the cop in this thread.
 

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Why would you swerve INTO oncoming traffic? That's the first thing they teach you in any defensive driving course. have an out, and know where it is. It's rarely INTO oncoming traffic.....

All in all, the accident is still 100% the drunks fault, but a trained professional should know the very basics of driving.

because there were no cars in oncoming traffic and there was a car to the right of him, most likely.

he can't just push the car next to him over as he swerves into it and avoid a head-on collision on the driver's side of his cruiser... at the same time, the oncoming traffic lanes were completely empty and if he hits the cruiser, it'll hit the empty passenger side.

this really seems like he made the absolute best of a situation. he did everything he could have done independent of the drunk driver's actions.
 

SamQuint

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I would think that the officer thought if he swerved or turned to the right that the impact would be on the drivers side door. So if he goes a little left then the impact would be passenger side.

I don't think you can fault the officer. Who knows what anyone would do if that were about to happen to you with so little time to react.

Lesson learned that if you can't see in front of the car ahead of you then you need to leave a little more room or drive slightly to the left of the car infront of you to see the road. Driver's ed also says you should be looking three cars ahead of you.
 

Number1

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I would think that the officer thought if he swerved or turned to the right that the impact would be on the drivers side door. So if he goes a little left then the impact would be passenger side.

I don't think you can fault the officer. Who knows what anyone would do if that were about to happen to you with so little time to react.

Lesson learned that if you can't see in front of the car ahead of you then you need to leave a little more room or drive slightly to the left of the car infront of you to see the road. Driver's ed also says you should be looking three cars ahead of you.

There should be a 2 seconds separation between cars and the cop was at least 3 seconds behind that truck. You're talking out of your ass.
 

TechBoyJK

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he did the right thing.

instincts in something like that are always save yourself no matter what anybody says

empty lane, put passenger side first. win.
 

zinfamous

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Clearly the other guy was on the wrong side of the road and is at fault. But, why would the officer ever turn left to avoid that accident? The rule is to move right, always. It is drivers ed 101 training to turn right. Turning left might miss the first car, but now you are the one in the wrong lane going the wrong direction and you'll likely hit others.

If everyone did that, there would be far fewer accidents. It looked like there was plenty of room to the right. It may possibly have been avoided if he moved just like the white truck did. Or at worse be a slight swipe at the back of the vehicles.

when I saw the shorter clip, the main argument was that he was following too close--for the drive, he certainly was not following too close. the truck in front stopped suddenly and swerved to the right lane, and the cop clearly had enough time to react to that. He only looks too close, imo, when the truck in front stops suddenly

as for not swerving right, this longer video explains that. looks like the right lane is occupied.
 

zinfamous

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Most likely, there was a car to the right of the deputy that cannot be seen in the video.

If he clips that car, he will be turned with his side of the cruiser facing more toward the drunk driver.

you can see that there are several cars in that lane waiting for the light to change at the beginning of the video. I think it's fair to assume that they are still there when the accident occurs, thus explaining why the cop reacts the way he does.

I also agree with others who suggest that the truck slamming into his driver's side door would probably be much worse, overall.
 

NL5

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because there were no cars in oncoming traffic and there was a car to the right of him, most likely.

Most likely? Again, defensive driving 101. The FIRST thing you are taught is to always have an out. You never drive with someone blocking your out. The copped quickly passed the car on the right side of him, and appeared to have left room. Also, you can't really see if there are any cars coming from the other lane until after the white truck swerves. Not much time to assess the amount of oncoming traffic. That's why you're taught to know your out before you need it. It really is the very first thing any driving instruction will teach you. There is no way he was counting on the oncoming lane as his out.
 

quikah

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It looks to me like he wouldn't have been able to stop in time before hitting the white truck he was following if he swerved right.

He had no time to swerve to avoid the accident anyway so it really doesn't matter.
 

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Most likely? Again, defensive driving 101. The FIRST thing you are taught is to always have an out. You never drive with someone blocking your out. The copped quickly passed the car on the right side of him, and appeared to have left room. Also, you can't really see if there are any cars coming from the other lane until after the white truck swerves. Not much time to assess the amount of oncoming traffic. That's why you're taught to know your out before you need it. It really is the very first thing any driving instruction will teach you. There is no way he was counting on the oncoming lane as his out.


PUH-LEEZE!

About the bolded part, never driven in rush hour traffic in a city, have you? If you're in the middle lane of a multi-lane highway and it's rush hour, your only out will be to hit whatever you're going to hit.....or get hit by whatever's going to hit you.


Now, about the crash. The dash cam only shows what's directly in front of him.....it doesn't provide the peripheral vision humans have nor could it look in the side view and rear view mirrors.

We don't know what was along side him, but we know the oncoming lanes were empty, the white pickup was definitely to his right, and he had an oncoming SUV bearing down on him.

His only real option was what he did. First, do you absolutely know where the red Grand Am was when the accident happened? You know, that red car in the lane to the right of the cop at the light that went straight through the intersection. Don't think so; it could've easily been right at the cop's RR corner, and he was aware of that. There's no way you could know where it is, but I'd bet the cop knew.

Second, when the white pickup swerved right and appeared to almost stop, its action effectively cutting off the right turn maneuver. If the cop had swerved right, that action would have put the officer broadside across the lane---his front end would have been buried in the rear of the white pickup----with the driver's door providing the point of impact that the SUV surely would have had on the cop's car.

Now that'd be a pretty stupid move, wouldn't it?

Third, he's got a viewpoint giving a better view into the oncoming lanes of traffic than the cam has. So, he could determine with better accuracy than you or I can what was clear and what wasn't.

Instead, the cop put the bulk of the car between himself and the impact point and into what appears to be a clear lane....smart move.
 

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Doesn't matter, copy was fucked.

He's not going to turn with his side of the door into the dude about to hit him. It would hurt a lot more if he got hit on his door side.

Think about it ;)
 

SamQuint

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There should be a 2 seconds separation between cars and the cop was at least 3 seconds behind that truck. You're talking out of your ass.

So there is never any road condition that would require you to give more than a 2 second gap? You don't understand the 2 second gap rule. The gap increases with the speed of your car and road conditions. The faster you go the larger the gap you are supposed to leave... Do you know the exact speed of the officer? I think you are the one talking out of your ass. Also it is obvious that the officer had no idea that a BIG SUV was in his lane coming right at him. That is because of the large truck blocking his view. Again that is another good reason to give yourself more room. I don't think he could have avoided the crash. I was just saying that it would be advisable to always give yourself more room if you can't see around the car in front of you.
 

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Most likely? Again, defensive driving 101. The FIRST thing you are taught is to always have an out. You never drive with someone blocking your out. The copped quickly passed the car on the right side of him, and appeared to have left room. Also, you can't really see if there are any cars coming from the other lane until after the white truck swerves. Not much time to assess the amount of oncoming traffic. That's why you're taught to know your out before you need it. It really is the very first thing any driving instruction will teach you. There is no way he was counting on the oncoming lane as his out.

:rolleyes:

look, the cop was being defensive in not going right when there was a car there already. he went left because he saw there was no oncoming traffic and it was his safest bet. if there were cars to his left, he would have probably thrown his emergency brake on and taken his feet off the brake so his legs didn't shatter and prepared for impact.

defensive driving is taught so you can quickly assess your surroundings and take the best course of action in a split second. that's exactly what he did. defensive driving doesn't dictate being a moron and sticking to rules regardless of the outcome. you can't say "but according to the tenants of defensive driving, he should have gone right" when there's a fucking car to his right and it would have just blocked him into the path of the truck.

get your head outta your ass.