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[Wordplay]

There is no consequence for most of them, and they already know that. Now the question is do you back them into a corner to try to force that consequence?




This is not a war like you are use to it, this is the start of a social change, a class war.
There will always be some violence with change, and it will continue to escalate until the society at large either changes or finds a way to repress the revolting class with enough violence to hold them down for good.

If you want the riot to mean something go charge the Parliament.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Yes, you do, it's called justice. Being "poor" doesn't give you the right to go destroying other peoples shit.

I agree with you, but in the end I'm a pragmatist. It might make you feel better ,but it will do very little good to prosecute people after the fact. Police should be out trying to round up everyone they can during the riots, but after let them go home and work on reestablishing social order. By going after people after the fact you are backing a whole bunch of already borderline desperate people into a corner. Do that and you run that risk that violence will erupt again, and you have already proven you can't stop it.

It isn't any kind of "war", but If hiding their criminality behind the guise of "social change" helps you rationalize it than have at it, it's still a bunch of criminals using is as an excuse to rob and steal. Anyone that thinks rioting is going to effect any change is naive, burning your own neighborhood to the ground is not productive.

Criminals act individually or in small numbers, when you get a large number of people out in the streets just being angry and destroying shit, that is no longer just people being criminals, that is a sign that you have too many disenfranchised people that you are not doing enough to help. Criminals don't just come about, they are created and trained by society. Our society is leaving a lot of people out, creating a class of people that feel that they have little to lose from fucking it up for everyone else. That is the problem.

 

[SMOGZINN]

burning your own neighborhood to the ground is not productive.

If you want the riot to mean something go charge the Parliament.

Notice that the riots in London have moved out of the poor neighborhoods and are starting to attack the more wealthy areas around it. That is what they are really angry at, Parliament is too far away both physically and conceptually for this sort of anger.

 

[Broheim]

1. give every cop an AA-12 and plenty of less lethal ammo
2. borrow a bunch of humvees fitted with ADS from the US
3. shoot anybody in a hoodie
4.???
5. profit

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Notice that the riots in London have moved out of the poor neighborhoods and are starting to attack the more wealthy areas around it. That is what they are really angry at, Parliament is too far away both physically and conceptually for this sort of anger.

That probably has more to do with the London PD being unable to contain these riots and the fact that they've probably looted and burned everything of value in their neighborhoods.

 

[spidey07]

 

[CanOWorms]

wow, conquering people and leaving infrastructure behind (india etc) and that makes us worse than hitler era germany?

Of course. The Nazis also left a lot behind. The British Empire was likely the most evil organization humanity has ever faced. They slaughtered up to a billion people throughout centuries. The Nazis killed tens of millions and humanity only suffered through that for some years. The British Empire stunted human development by centuries.

The British for the most part prevented industrialization of their colonies. They left only a minimal infrastructure behind, much of which was used to expedite its genocides. You use India as an example of leaving infrastructure behind, but India's economy was devastated by the British, life expectancy lowered, hundreds of millions were slaughtered, etc. All for a few choo-choos?

i'll ignore the french conquests, the german conquests, the spanish conquests and the <insert any country here that isn't really young> conquests. yea, the british ones were the worst of all.

Good to see that you recognize the biggest calamity mankind has ever faced.

us taking over north america is worse than what the spanish and portugese did in south america/central.

I would argue that the diseases brought by European powers to the New World was much worse than what anyone did afterwards. Killing 90%+ of the population was horrendous.

we're worse than the jew baking nazi's. you really think that rabid mong? worse than the han chinese oppressing all the other chinese?

The British Empire was worse than "jew baking Nazis." The British Empire slaughtered hundreds of millions of people! It's not even a comparison. Where do you think that the Nazis even got the idea for concentration camps? It came from the British!

 

[shortylickens]

Listen to him, he's from Iceland, he knows all about fiscal responsibility..no wait, he doesn't.

Icelands only irresponsibility was putting their money in British banks, which failed so bad they killed off a small country.

Get your shit straight sir.

 

[MotF Bane]

Of course. The Nazis also left a lot behind. The British Empire was likely the most evil organization humanity has ever faced. They slaughtered up to a billion people throughout centuries. The Nazis killed tens of millions and humanity only suffered through that for some years. The British Empire stunted human development by centuries.

The British for the most part prevented industrialization of their colonies. They left only a minimal infrastructure behind, much of which was used to expedite its genocides. You use India as an example of leaving infrastructure behind, but India's economy was devastated by the British, life expectancy lowered, hundreds of millions were slaughtered, etc. All for a few choo-choos?



Good to see that you recognize the biggest calamity mankind has ever faced.



I would argue that the diseases brought by European powers to the New World was much worse than what anyone did afterwards. Killing 90%+ of the population was horrendous.



The British Empire was worse than "jew baking Nazis." The British Empire slaughtered hundreds of millions of people! It's not even a comparison. Where do you think that the Nazis even got the idea for concentration camps? It came from the British!

The bold is where you can't even keep your own story straight, possibly because you're completely insane.

 

[CanOWorms]

The bold is where you can't even keep your own story straight, possibly because you're completely insane.

Yes, one of the largest genocides of mankind is a "story." I'm pretty sure that genocide deniers are the completely insane ones. There are way too many Nazi-wannabes on this forum.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Why, so the cop could have found the weapon? So he could have shot the cop with it? Dumbass...



I'm really sick of saying this in gun threads, but it is not illegal to keep a firearm in the UK, it is is illegal to carry a semi-auto handgun in the street. And damn right too.

If someone comes to your house and you fill them full of bird shot you're completely in the clear.

You better learn your laws. There have been some high profile cases of people using deadly force in their homes or on their property and being convicted of Murder.

 

[Jaskalas]

Maybe you should read your two statements again. Certainly the UK will not be anything like the Middle East butchers, but if the UK starts to go back and prosecute people after the riots are ended they run a very real risk of re-igniting them, or at the very least next time it will be a lot harder to stop. By prosecuting them after they quit you are taking away their ability to go home and let it end.

You're suggesting that the UK rioters should get away with murder and violence, with hurting people? No, they should not.

The difference is in the severity of what they face. A proper law and order should await them. In the Middle East they'd be outright tortured and killed. You should appreciate that difference already without it having to be said.

In the Middle East they go up and face death. What injustice do the rioters in the UK face?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Notice that the riots in London have moved out of the poor neighborhoods and are starting to attack the more wealthy areas around it. That is what they are really angry at, Parliament is too far away both physically and conceptually for this sort of anger.

Fucking bullshit.

These fucks are thieves. They have so far only attacked businesses, mostly to steal high value goods. If you are raging against a Government, you attack that which represents power, no matter where it is; Local government offices, law courts, council offices, etc, and you must be on drugs if you think it's hard to get to Westminster...

 

[RabidMongoose]

Of course. The Nazis also left a lot behind. The British Empire was likely the most evil organization humanity has ever faced. They slaughtered up to a billion people throughout centuries. The Nazis killed tens of millions and humanity only suffered through that for some years. The British Empire stunted human development by centuries.

The British for the most part prevented industrialization of their colonies. They left only a minimal infrastructure behind, much of which was used to expedite its genocides. You use India as an example of leaving infrastructure behind, but India's economy was devastated by the British, life expectancy lowered, hundreds of millions were slaughtered, etc. All for a few choo-choos?



Good to see that you recognize the biggest calamity mankind has ever faced.



I would argue that the diseases brought by European powers to the New World was much worse than what anyone did afterwards. Killing 90%+ of the population was horrendous.



The British Empire was worse than "jew baking Nazis." The British Empire slaughtered hundreds of millions of people! It's not even a comparison. Where do you think that the Nazis even got the idea for concentration camps? It came from the British!

This is probably one of the best posts ever made on this forum.

The British Empire was the most bloodthirsty organization to ever exist in the universe. Has any other organization killed as many innocent people? Of course not.

For some reason Europeans constantly think that the genocide of a non-European population isn't genocide and, in fact, they keep saying that it was 'beneficial' to those poor 'savages.' Yeah, that's why when you guys were booted out, they're doing so much better.

European pro-genocide attitudes are just disgusting.

Anyways, back on topic, does anyone know if the liberator youth are anywhere near places such as Buckingham Palace?

 

[shortylickens]

4chan has a million racist picture shoops and one sexy.
Threads going on forever.

 

[yours truly]

Unbelievable shit going on here. I'm seeing my beloved country getting destroyed.

We're starting to see large scale vigilante groups guarding their towns! wtf!!

I live in one of the most well off places in the UK. There were a bunch of emo twats trying to start something here.

Anger got the better of me and I confronted one of them. I said what are you doing here, and he said 'protesting the cuts'; you could see he was just a student and had no answers. I was like you could have protested last week, last month, why now, piss off home, he evaded my questions.

Worryingly, there were a number of youngsters with hoodies on BMX's lurking in the background.

There were 5 police officers there. And then a bunch of security guys turned up and stood there.

This happened outside where I live. I live in the middle of a town centre, on top of a shopping centre! Not only that, it's being redeveloped. There's no security doors, just workmans hoarding around the entrances Bascially bits of wood. One kick and they get access to the building. 1-2 petrol bombs and we could die.

I can't believe what's happening in this country. I'm devastated.

 

[DivideBYZero]

This is probably one of the best posts ever made on this forum.

The British Empire was the most bloodthirsty organization to ever exist in the universe. Has any other organization killed as many innocent people? Of course not.

For some reason Europeans constantly think that the genocide of a non-European population isn't genocide and, in fact, they keep saying that it was 'beneficial' to those poor 'savages.' Yeah, that's why when you guys were booted out, they're doing so much better.

European pro-genocide attitudes are just disgusting.

Anyways, back on topic, does anyone know if the liberator youth are anywhere near places such as Buckingham Palace?

LOL, it's only the best if you've just had a frontal lobotomy. You sound just like that which you claim to abhor...

 

[HAL9000]

Guys don't feed CanOfShit and RabidMoron, they just like to hate, they are xenophobes and just like to troll anything to do with the UK.

Just leave them be.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Unbelievable shit going on here. I'm seeing my beloved country getting destroyed.

We're starting to see large scale vigilante groups guarding their towns! wtf!!

I live in one of the most well off places in the UK. There were a bunch of emo twats trying to start something here.

Anger got the better of me and I confronted one of them. I said what are you doing here, and he said 'protesting the cuts'; you could see he was just a student and had no answers. I was like you could have protested last week, last month, why now, piss off home, he evaded my questions.

Worryingly, there were a number of youngsters with hoodies and BMX's lurking in the background.

There were 5 police officers there. And then a bunch of security guys turned up and stood there.

This happened outside where I live. I live in the middle of a town centre, on top of a shopping centre! Not only that, it's being redeveloped. There's no security doors, just workmans hoarding around the entrances Bascially bits of wood. One kick and they get access to the building. 1-2 petrol bombs and we could die.

I can't believe what's happening in this country. I'm devastated.

It's a fight for freedom and equality. Join them! Take down your government and establish a Republic. Hell, why should the peasants suffer through austerity while your government showers riches on an inbred family? I would be outraged at that myself. Go British peasants!

 

[xj0hnx]

This is probably one of the best posts ever made on this forum.

CoW's sockpuppet hanging on his nuts? No way.

 

[HAL9000]

AFAIK it is not strictly illegal to own those things - just very very difficult. Yes you need a licence too but that's fair enough. You need one for a car after all.

My point is you can sit at home with a very deadly thing to keep your family safe with no legal problems. Phrases like 'inability to defend yourself or property' are incorrect.

It's definitely strictly illegal to own a handgun, and to own an automatic weapon. Unless you are a Vet.

I definitely agree with the second part.

 

[MotF Bane]

This is probably one of the best posts ever made on this forum.

Only if you're brain damaged.

 

[Doppel]

Yeah that's not how we roll in the UK

Nope, and this is exactly why thousands of drunk hoodlums are running around like f**king buffoons, hundreds arrested, scores of police hurt, and people afraid to leave their homes.

By definition anybody in front of the police during these riots is a rioter and should be treated as such.

Instead it was only today that the UK finally decided to *gasp* break out the water cannons. On no, the horrors. In one of those vids above the police had to backpedal because they were outnumbered 2:1 or 3:1 by people throwing sticks and signs at them. If they had rubber bullets none of that would be happening. They would be able to maintain order without having to throw 16,000 impotent, toothless police at the matter.

It's ironic to me that the UK, being one of the most monitored and policed societies in the world, has cops who are not even trained to use basic, common-sense weapons like guns capable of firing bean bags or rubber bullets.

These are not political activists. The shooting of that guy is unrelated and simply a trigger point for the drunk thugs to get together and steal sh*t. They should be treated as such and brought to heel hard and fast. Make an announcement that further looting will be met with stiff and immediate retaliation. At that point anybody caught in the crossfire and the accidental rubber bullet that happens to hit their head should receive no more sympathy than an armed robber who runs into the thick side of a baseball bat by a storekeeper.

I can't believe what's happening in this country. I'm devastated.

Really? Because I've followed the news on and off in the UK for years and it has an extremely high population of thugs and alcohol. Marry those two and you have what you have here. No doubt the US has had its share of rioting in the past, I won't pretend otherwise.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I have to admit that I'm very happy for the British people. Who would have thought that the peasants would rise up and demand their rights? Truly amazing. Sometimes I wish that people in the US would do the same, but I guess there's not the same amount of governmental injustice perpetrated by the government against its citizens in the US. But even if there were, Americans would be too fat to rise up like this.

Go British liberators! It's time to throw down the shackles of peasantdom! Set up a guillotine in front of the Inbred Palace!

 

[yours truly]

It's a fight for freedom and equality. Join them! Take down your government and establish a Republic. Hell, why should the peasants suffer through austerity while your government showers riches on an inbred family? I would be outraged at that myself. Go British peasants!

Who are you, you prick?

Seriously go fuck yourself.

Why isn't the ban hammer coming down on this guy?

Who are you, an America? We have americans living in this block too you know