londons burning

[HAL9000]

My friend just posted her Facebook status from brixton:

"All the shops in brixton have been smashed up, except Waterstones... what does that tell you?"

Waterstones is a book shop FYI :awe:

 

[CanOWorms]

Maybe the inbreds should run away.

Bring out the guillotines!

Hopefully, but I have doubts that would be accomplished. While that area of the world (Europe-Middle Eastern) is very similar culturally and experiencing the same country-wide riots seeking a toppling of leadership (France, Greece, UK, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Libya), the problem with the UK is that the Queen is given a god-like status. It's very doubtful that she would be tried like Mubarak or even exiled like Ben Ali.

While other third world countries, like Nepal, have deposed their leaders who have god-like status, the UK has been very slow in any social change.

We can't expect too much for a third-world country like the UK.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

So when theres riots in the US theres no property damage and no one gets killed?

Having the ability to defend your property, your livelihood and your family doesn't mean their won't be damage to property or that someone will not get killed. The point of civilian armed defense is two fold:

1.) Is to dissuade an individual from attacking a person or their property viat the mere presence of a firearm.

2.) It is also to have the actual realized ability to resolve a deadly threat situation before you are made the victim.

Police in the end are nothing more then a reactionary force with no real power or ability to protect everyone at the same time or even themselves in many cases such as in the riots we are witnessing occurring in the UK. In addition in some examples armed police can even be the culprits of criminal acts as was seen in the Katrina disaster and its aftermath. There were some cases where officers went around disarming the populace only to then turn around and commit crimes such as robbery and/or murder.

Korean shop owners defending their property.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3be_1237333767

Edit: Young black kids were armed gang members who quickly fled once they started taking reciprocal gun fire from these armed shop owners.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a7e_1226118883

Edit: Most of the deaths in the LA Riots were a result of gang on gang violence and police confrontations with roving gang members, along with victims caught in fires many of which were set by rioters and gang members.

 

[WelshBloke]

Having the ability to defend your property, your livelihood and your family doesn't mean their won't be damage to property or that someone will not get killed. The point of civilian armed defense is two fold:

1.) Is to dissuade an individual from attacking a person or their property viat the mere presence of a firearm.

2.) It is also to have the actual realized ability to resolve a deadly threat situation before you are made the victim.

Police in the end are nothing more then a reactionary force with no real power or ability to protect everyone at the same time or even themselves in many cases such as the riots we are seeing in the UK. In addition in some examples armed police can even be the culprits of criminal acts as was seen in the Katrina disaster where some officers went around disarming the populace only to then turn around and commit crimes such as robbery and/or murder.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a7e_1226118883

And I'm saying that in a riot situation having loads of firearms available to everyone is a bad thing.

The UK is not like the US. Every criminal here does not have access to a firearm, they are pretty rare even for thugs.

 

[Atheus]

Bet UK citizens wish they were armed now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mingham-people-forced-strip-naked-street.html

Why, so the cop could have found the weapon? So he could have shot the cop with it? Dumbass...

What's this inability to defend yourself you are talking about?

I'm really sick of saying this in gun threads, but it is not illegal to keep a firearm in the UK, it is is illegal to carry a semi-auto handgun in the street. And damn right too.

If someone comes to your house and you fill them full of bird shot you're completely in the clear.

 

[HAL9000]

I'm really sick of saying this in gun threads, but it is not illegal to keep a firearm in the UK, it is is illegal to carry a semi-auto handgun in the street. And damn right too.

If someone comes to your house and you fill them full of bird shot you're completely in the clear.

It's illegal to own a handgun, it's illegal to own anything automatic, and any other gun that you can own requires a firearm certificate.

 

[SMOGZINN]

That'll be key. Forensic investigation of the rioting afterwards. Deal with everyone individually after they disperse. It'll be a great incentive never to do that again if the police handle it properly and have the modern tools available to connect the dots.

Well, it's going to come down to how much of a fight the rioters want.

I'll give them credit for being smart and so it'll come down to risk VS reward. Right now there is very little risk. Start applying force and pressure, and perhaps many of them will scurry back to their holes without the need to get ugly.

In the Middle East the rioters were facing firing squads and still trying to show up. If they did break up they were hunted down and targeted for execution, gulag, etc. It was a far different story than this is ever going to be. Their governments were simply killing people. The rioters in the UK don't face those circumstances. They can go home, and I think they will when they're given a reason to.

Maybe you should read your two statements again. Certainly the UK will not be anything like the Middle East butchers, but if the UK starts to go back and prosecute people after the riots are ended they run a very real risk of re-igniting them, or at the very least next time it will be a lot harder to stop. By prosecuting them after they quit you are taking away their ability to go home and let it end.

 

[xj0hnx]

Maybe you should read your two statements again. Certainly the UK will not be anything like the Middle East butchers, but if the UK starts to go back and prosecute people after the riots are ended they run a very real risk of re-igniting them, or at the very least next time it will be a lot harder to stop. By prosecuting them after they quit you are taking away their ability to go home and let it end.

So once a thief/vandal makes it home they shouldn't be prosecuted because it might hurt they wittle feewings? Or better yet, if they don't prosecute them than next time they know that nothing will happen and they can steal even more shit, maybe even graduate to arson, or murder.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Pointless thread, especially for the British in here trying to dispel the usual ignorant bullshit about the UK. Shit happens, no country, especially the USA, is immune.

 

[Atheus]

It's illegal to own a handgun, it's illegal to own anything automatic, and any other gun that you can own requires a firearm certificate.

AFAIK it is not strictly illegal to own those things - just very very difficult. Yes you need a licence too but that's fair enough. You need one for a car after all.

My point is you can sit at home with a very deadly thing to keep your family safe with no legal problems. Phrases like 'inability to defend yourself or property' are incorrect.

 

[Lotheron]

Pointless thread, especially for the British in here trying to dispel the usual ignorant bullshit about the UK. Shit happens, no country, especially the USA, is immune.

You gotta admit, the UK is pretty riot happy lately.

But you're right, it could (and does) happen anywhere, (crowds of) people are stupid.

 

[SMOGZINN]

So once a thief/vandal makes it home they shouldn't be prosecuted because it might hurt they wittle feewings? Or better yet, if they don't prosecute them than next time they know that nothing will happen and they can steal even more shit, maybe even graduate to arson, or murder.

No, I'm saying that you are going to escalate the war. You have to make a choice, prosecute and get some amount of justice for the people that were damaged at the cost of more people getting damaged, or let it go.

No matter what you do you are only going to be able to prosecute a small percentage of those people that rioted, so what are you really gaining?

 

[spidey07]

No, I'm saying that you are going to escalate the war. You have to make a choice, prosecute and get some amount of justice for the people that were damaged at the cost of more people getting damaged, or let it go.

No matter what you do you are only going to be able to prosecute a small percentage of those people that rioted, so what are you really gaining?

Consequences to their actions. You're suggesting there should be none. You suggest anarchy and lawlessness and will only embolden the youths to cause more serious bodily injury, harm and property damage.

Because they believe there will be little to no consequence to their behavior is EXACTLY why they are doing it.

 

[Mark R]

It looks like some companies are making a killing, perhaps literally, from fear of riots (and maybe even contributing a little).

Amazon has just announced bumped sales of a number of 'sporting accessories'.

link
Intersting stuff!

Nightstick sales up 50,000%
Metal baseball bats up 14,000%

 

[xj0hnx]

No, I'm saying that you are going to escalate the war. You have to make a choice, prosecute and get some amount of justice for the people that were damaged at the cost of more people getting damaged, or let it go.

No matter what you do you are only going to be able to prosecute a small percentage of those people that rioted, so what are you really gaining?

There is no "war", it's a bunch of hooligans destroying shit, stealing, and hurting people, and the idea that they shouldn't face punishment because they might do it again is absurd.

 

[Wordplay]

It looks like some companies are making a killing, perhaps literally, from fear of riots (and maybe even contributing a little).

Amazon has just announced bumped sales of a number of 'sporting accessories'.

link
Intersting stuff!

Nightstick sales up 50,000%
Metal baseball bats up 14,000%

Seems kind of pointless to buy that from amazon when they still have to ship it to you. Also the riot might be over by the time you get it or they might not even deliver it to you if it is not safe enough.

 

[Atheus]

http://memerial.net/1658-anarc​hy-in-the-uk

... 😀

 

[DucatiMonster696]

And I'm saying that in a riot situation having loads of firearms available to everyone is a bad thing.

In a riot situation you don't disarm the law abiding public unless you have the police man power to employ enough riot control squads to squash any and all outbursts of violence.

The UK is not like the US. Every criminal here does not have access to a firearm, they are pretty rare even for thugs.

You don't need a gun to be a threat to an individual and the fact that criminals are basically the majority (outside of the police) in their ownership of firearms means you have created a nice perfect storm of violence in which law abiding people have no defense to protect their families or their property.

 

[tommo123]

Really? It's probably the single most racist country that I've ever been to. Hell, I'm not sure what else you can expect from a country that built an empire on racism and murdering people of other racial groups.

What ethnicity are you anyways?

wow, conquering people and leaving infrastructure behind (india etc) and that makes us worse than hitler era germany?

i'll ignore the french conquests, the german conquests, the spanish conquests and the <insert any country here that isn't really young> conquests. yea, the british ones were the worst of all.

us taking over north america is worse than what the spanish and portugese did in south america/central.

we're worse than the jew baking nazi's. you really think that rabid mong? worse than the han chinese oppressing all the other chinese?

 

[WelshBloke]

In a riot situation you don't disarm the law abiding public unless you have the police man power to employ enough riot control squads to squash any and all outbursts of violence.

Are you still taking about the UK? Noones being disarmed, theres been no change in the gun laws due to the riots.

You don't need a gun to be a threat to an individual and the fact that criminals are basically the majority (outside of the police) in their ownership of firearms means you have created a nice perfect storm of violence in which law abiding people have no defense to protect their families or their property.

Even criminals over here have a very low level of gun ownership. You have to stop thinking of the UK in the same way as you do the US.

 

[WelshBloke]

As an aside, this on the BBc website made me laugh.

Could this guy be any more English.

There is no doubt in my mind and that of a number of local people in Bermondsey that the television coverage has not only exacerbated the problem but has given encouragement to various groups across London to go on a criminal rampage. I was shocked this evening to discover that my local Tesco in Southwark Park Road was closed at 5pm with the shutters down and the windows peppered with holes. I was even more shocked when I could not do any shopping as all the shops were closed with shutters down.

 

[tommo123]

Sure. Fully open up royal castles to tourism. Allow more tourism into the royal collection. That right there would generate a lot of money. The royal wedding itself cost tons of money and shrank British GDP.

British inbred royalist sympathizers keep saying that the monarchy makes money, but there's absolutely no proof of that.



Because the UK supports a discriminatory institution in the monarchy. How would you feel if you were told that you could never be the head of state of your country because of your religion? Why are you guys hating on Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.?



We have a black person as President. You guys basically demand that your head of state can never be a black person.

I really hope that this rioting takes down the British monarchy. It's a tradition that is not needed in the modern age. I really hope that the rioters storm all royal residences and claim the property for themselves.

FYI, i'm white and welsh and will never be the head of state. haven't been told it, i just know. and you're right - i'm so upset i just got back from a night of rioting over it. i was the one holding the "you're racist" card with a pic of a mongoose on it.

also, the leader of the country is the prime minister. the queen has no real power. in theory she can dissolve parliament but they'd tell her to fuck herself if she ever tried it.

it's just a mask, get it? a facade. like you pretending you only have 1 pair of chromosones.

 

[RabidMongoose]

FYI, i'm white and welsh and will never be the head of state. haven't been told it, i just know. and you're right - i'm so upset i just got back from a night of rioting over it. i was the one holding the "you're racist" card with a pic of a mongoose on it.

also, the leader of the country is the prime minister. the queen has no real power. in theory she can dissolve parliament but they'd tell her to fuck herself if she ever tried it.

it's just a mask, get it? a facade. like you pretending you only have 1 pair of chromosones.

Easy for you to act like that when you actually have a real possibility of being your nation's head of state.

If the 'queen' has no real power (which actually isn't true, she's given tremendous amount of government sponsored social power, political privilege, tax privileges, and more), then just abolish the entire institution. Stop supporting a racist government.

Are any of the riots near Buckingham Palace? I wonder how these inbreds would react if these valiant youths set up a guillotine in front of that inbred haven.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Consequences to their actions. You're suggesting there should be none. You suggest anarchy and lawlessness and will only embolden the youths to cause more serious bodily injury, harm and property damage.

Because they believe there will be little to no consequence to their behavior is EXACTLY why they are doing it.

There is no consequence for most of them, and they already know that. Now the question is do you back them into a corner to try to force that consequence?

There is no "war", it's a bunch of hooligans destroying shit, stealing, and hurting people, and the idea that they shouldn't face punishment because they might do it again is absurd.

This is not a war like you are use to it, this is the start of a social change, a class war.
There will always be some violence with change, and it will continue to escalate until the society at large either changes or finds a way to repress the revolting class with enough violence to hold them down for good.

 

[xj0hnx]

There is no consequence for most of them, and they already know that. Now the question is do you back them into a corner to try to force that consequence?

Yes, you do, it's called justice. Being "poor" doesn't give you the right to go destroying other peoples shit.

This is not a war like you are use to it, this is the start of a social change, a class war.
There will always be some violence with change, and it will continue to escalate until the society at large either changes or finds a way to repress the revolting class with enough violence to hold them down for good.

It isn't any kind of "war", but If hiding their criminality behind the guise of "social change" helps you rationalize it than have at it, it's still a bunch of criminals using is as an excuse to rob and steal. Anyone that thinks rioting is going to effect any change is naive, burning your own neighborhood to the ground is not productive.