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[CanOWorms]

Their opinion with regards to the Olympics and to public safety are both totally irrelevant, as established by their own track record. Or, to take another tack, they lack a freely elected government chosen by the working class people that you are so enamored of; why then are you apt to take the opinion of China, which is of course spewed forth from a government mouthpiece? I guess you don't actually care about the rights of the individual.

They seem to have organized a relatively safe Olympics and they ran the last one. Their opinion should be looked at. They're the latest people with experience in running a smooth Olympics.

The Olympics may have to be in China again.

 

[Doppel]

We're now at an interesting crossroads in the situation, and one which will probably yield an answer soon :

Will increased force from security forces/police be met with additional force and violent action from protestors? Or will it quell things. I could see either way happening really. All it would take is a couple of kids getting killed by overzealous officers, and you'd see an all-new wave of vitriol and anarchy rise. Or you might send them scurrying ..

These are kids, not actual grown-ups with real grown-up motivations. They'll tuck tail and run.

 

[Infohawk]

We're now at an interesting crossroads in the situation, and one which will probably yield an answer soon :

Will increased force from security forces/police be met with additional force and violent action from protestors? Or will it quell things. I could see either way happening really. All it would take is a couple of kids getting killed by overzealous officers, and you'd see an all-new wave of vitriol and anarchy rise. Or you might send them scurrying ..

Protesters? Get real dude. They're looters.

 

[Mem]

It's about time they brought in the military.

I think its not as bad as yesterday,personally I would of liked them to bring the army in yesterday when police were stretched,tonight they have a lot more police around and here in London where I'm its very quiet.

I would say I would like to see more force by the police rather then just containing the situation like we saw yesterday etc...


Yeah its NOT PROTESTERS,its thugs and lot of copy cat violence by mindless young mobs.

 

[CanOWorms]

We're now at an interesting crossroads in the situation, and one which will probably yield an answer soon :

Will increased force from security forces/police be met with additional force and violent action from protestors? Or will it quell things. I could see either way happening really. All it would take is a couple of kids getting killed by overzealous officers, and you'd see an all-new wave of vitriol and anarchy rise. Or you might send them scurrying ..

Perhaps the security forces will join the protestors.

 

[MotF Bane]

They seem to have organized a relatively safe Olympics and they ran the last one. Their opinion should be looked at. They're the latest people with experience in running a smooth Olympics.

The Olympics may have to be in China again.

Pay no attention to the switching girls for the opening, the underage gymnasts, the total stomping over civil rights, the lack of safety in their structures and high speed rail...

No, the Olympics should not have been in China before, nor should they again any time soon.

Again, I note that you love China, despite the working class having fewer rights and opportunities than they have in Britain, making you a hypocrite.

 

[MotF Bane]

Perhaps the security forces will join the protestors.

That's clearly a joke, as everyone who isn't retarded understands that will not happen.

 

[RabidMongoose]

We're now at an interesting crossroads in the situation, and one which will probably yield an answer soon :

Will increased force from security forces/police be met with additional force and violent action from protestors? Or will it quell things. I could see either way happening really. All it would take is a couple of kids getting killed by overzealous officers, and you'd see an all-new wave of vitriol and anarchy rise. Or you might send them scurrying ..

That woud basically be murder. There will be international condemnation. I would hope that the UN Security Council gets together but locks the UK representative out and issues an order for international peacekeepers to go into London to make sure that the government doesn't kill more protesters.

 

[Wordplay]

Who gives a shit what China thinks about safety or the Olympics?

Also, the rioting trash are the reason it has any questions with regards to safety, the same trash you are cheering on.

I can see how this raises questions about how good London can manage the bigger safety responsibilities for the Olympic games. Their police force cannot handle a riot... what happens if something pops off during the games?

We're now at an interesting crossroads in the situation, and one which will probably yield an answer soon :

Will increased force from security forces/police be met with additional force and violent action from protestors? Or will it quell things. I could see either way happening really. All it would take is a couple of kids getting killed by overzealous officers, and you'd see an all-new wave of vitriol and anarchy rise. Or you might send them scurrying ..

I'm sure their Army guys will have real weapons that will scare the living shit out of those looters.

 

[HAL9000]

These are kids, not actual grown-ups with real grown-up motivations. They'll tuck tail and run.

I hope it happens sooner than later, tonight there were groups of Football fans walking around protecting areas of London, they actually did really well defending places! Millwall fans even!

Protesters? Get real dude. They're looters.

Agreed.

 

[Arkaign]

Safe bet is increased force will settle things down.

I think that's a good hopeful outlook, though I'm wondering just how deep the frustration and detachment from society that much of this class is feeling as inspiration right now. I'm trying to understand the mentality of the antagonists in this case, and I can see a lot of them just being simple opportunists, and still others actually with a vested interest in challenging/damaging the social order that they feel is their enemy.

It's an interesting psychological phenomenon, and for the sake of everyone involved, I hope the violence deflates.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Still not valid reasoning. Try again.

I get it. Non-white people don't count for you. We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[MotF Bane]

I think its not as bad as yesterday,personally I would of liked them to bring the army in yesterday when police were stretched,tonight they have a lot more police around and here in London where I'm its very quiet.

I would say I would like to see more force by the police rather then just containing the situation like we saw yesterday etc...

When I say about time, that's a little sarcasm in the sense the military should have come in already. Containment should be the first stage, perhaps six hours? After that, move in, disable and arrest rioters, secure the area. If the police can't do it in a timely fashion, the military should be called up (or, for USA, National Guard).

 

[CanOWorms]

Pay no attention to the switching girls for the opening, the underage gymnasts, the total stomping over civil rights, the lack of safety in their structures and high speed rail...

Doesn't seem to be that different than the UK.

No, the Olympics should not have been in China before, nor should they again any time soon.

They may have to be done there again. They have the latest facilities and latest experience in running the show.

Again, I note that you love China, despite the working class having fewer rights and opportunities than they have in Britain, making you a hypocrite.

I don't love China. However, I laugh at your characterization of the UK having more rights and opportunities.

 

[MotF Bane]

I think that's a good hopeful outlook, though I'm wondering just how deep the frustration and detachment from society that much of this class is feeling as inspiration right now. I'm trying to understand the mentality of the antagonists in this case, and I can see a lot of them just being simple opportunists, and still others actually with a vested interest in challenging/damaging the social order that they feel is their enemy.

It's an interesting psychological phenomenon, and for the sake of everyone involved, I hope the violence deflates.

At this point, it's largely criminals of opportunity, or just idiots wanting to cause trouble. Force will either send them back to hiding, or the daily lives, or prison - but it will take away the main troublemakers. This isn't about class struggle or any such bullshit.

 

[CanOWorms]

That's clearly a joke, as everyone who isn't retarded understands that will not happen.

It happened in some of the other countries undergoing anti-regime protests this year. Alternatively, they may just sit it out like in Egypt.

 

[MotF Bane]

I get it. Non-white people don't count for you. We'll have to agree to disagree.

You lose, RapedMongoose.

 

[Nebor]

DBZ wins this entire thread.

Agreed.

 

[RabidMongoose]

At this point, it's largely criminals of opportunity, or just idiots wanting to cause trouble. Force will either send them back to hiding, or the daily lives, or prison - but it will take away the main troublemakers. This isn't about class struggle or any such bullshit.

I agree with you; it's more than just class struggle. It's a popular uprising against the very social order of British government mandated society.

This may very well take the entire UK government down and usher in a new era of social equality in the UK.

 

[HAL9000]

Agreed.

Double Agreed.

 

[RabidMongoose]

You lose, RapedMongoose.

Wow, what a nerd post.

 

[MotF Bane]

Doesn't seem to be that different than the UK.

When was the last time someone was executed and their family billed for the bullet in Britain? When was the last time a "lightning strike" derailed two trains in Britain, and the evidence promptly buried? When was the last time Britain made a mockery of the Olympics?

On the other hand, when was the last time China had elections?

They may have to be done there again. They have the latest facilities and latest experience in running the show.

See above.

I don't love China. However, I laugh at your characterization of the UK having more rights and opportunities.

You should be condemning China by your own logic, and to propose that Britain does not have more rights and opportunities is blatant denial of reality.

 

[Mem]

At this point, it's largely criminals of opportunity, or just idiots wanting to cause trouble. Force will either send them back to hiding, or the daily lives, or prison - but it will take away the main troublemakers. This isn't about class struggle or any such bullshit.

I feel police should have stronger powers on looters ie shoot on sight,I'm tired of the so called soft approach policing,you know they do this(shoot) in other countries.

 

[RabidMongoose]

When was the last time Britain made a mockery of the Olympics?

How about right now?

 

[HAL9000]

When was the last time someone was executed and their family billed for the bullet in Britain? When was the last time a "lightning strike" derailed two trains in Britain, and the evidence promptly buried? When was the last time Britain made a mockery of the Olympics?

On the other hand, when was the last time China had elections?



See above.



You should be condemning China by your own logic, and to propose that Britain does not have more rights and opportunities is blatant denial of reality.

It's so infuriating reading your posts in this thread, because you make absolute sense with undeniable logic, and yet I know that Worms and Mongoose will come back with some continued delusion bout how the UK has groups of authoritarian police officers roaming the streets and surprising the rights and will of the people far more than china... It's so infuriating.