London Tube Bombing helper uses London Tube to travel!

[grebe925]

He was set free even before his time was up. What's more, he cannot be deported because that would be against his human rights! You cannot make this up.

21/7 terrorist free to use tube transport that he helped to bomb

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A terrorist who helped would-be bombers prepare an attack on London's transport network has been spotted travelling on the capital's buses and tubes.

Siraj Yassin Abdullah Ali, who helped clean up the bomb factory used by the 21/7 terrorist gang, was seen on a bus and going into Willesden Green Tube station in north west London.

The 35-year-old was jailed for nine years in 2008 but released on bail early. He cannot be deported.

The sight of the Eritrean being able to move freely about the capital he intended to attack will anger all Londoners and in particular all those who lost friends and family in the 7/7 bombings a fortnight earlier.
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[Sinsear]

Disgrace

 

[Jaskalas]

He was set free...

That should be your complaint. To suggest that a free man shouldn't use the tube is petty. The proper course of action is to fight your gov to ensure men like that are not freed.

 

[grebe925]

That should be your complaint. To suggest that a free man shouldn't use the tube is petty. The proper course of action is to fight your gov to ensure men like that are not freed.

I was pointing out the irony of the situation, not questioning whether he should use the tube or not. The other point I was trying to make was how the Europeans have tied themselves up in knots over this whole "human rights" things and jeopardizing the lives of their own citizens who were born there and pay taxes to protect them from just such criminals.

 

[Moonbeam]

The proper course of action is to insure that terrified cowards like Jaskalas are falsely arrested and put away forever with no possibility they will ever see the light of day again. Remember, nobody is ever arrested who isn't guilty, even if of something else, and none ever develop past youthful indiscretion. The more people that are put away for whatever reason will terrify others and make them obey. This is the way to make society safe, to create a society more terrified of itself than terrorists even if it means the terrorists win.

 

[ericlp]

You can't be afraid of the terrorists like we are in the USA. Other wise if you are afraid then the terrorists have already won.

You can't fight a terrorist... If you do, they have already won. That's why we have already lost... An eye for an eye is just BS and that's what a terrorist wants. It's a losing cause to get sucked into playing their game.

 

[CanOWorms]

The article says that he's not allowed to use the Internet. Perhaps the authorities could have extended that to subway system but failed to do so. Maybe because it's easier to monitor him if he takes public transportation.

 

[grebe925]

You can't be afraid of the terrorists like we are in the USA. Other wise if you are afraid then the terrorists have already won.

You can't fight a terrorist... If you do, they have already won. That's why we have already lost... An eye for an eye is just BS and that's what a terrorist wants. It's a losing cause to get sucked into playing their game.

This is not about being afraid of terrorists or not. It's an issue of the rights of citizens and mis-application of law. What exactly are the British citizens paying their taxes for, if not to keep them safe? Second question is: why are the rights of the indicted criminals greater than those of their (intended) victims? This guy is not even a citizen of the UK, but apparently he cannot be deported because, horror of horrors, he could be harmed in his native Eritrea! Never mind that he has shown intent to cause harm in the UK, but apparently that doesn't count. At the very least, that guy should be parachuted back to his home country.

 

[JSt0rm]

The proper course of action is to insure that terrified cowards like Jaskalas are falsely arrested and put away forever with no possibility they will ever see the light of day again. Remember, nobody is ever arrested who isn't guilty, even if of something else, and none ever develop past youthful indiscretion. The more people that are put away for whatever reason will terrify others and make them obey. This is the way to make society safe, to create a society more terrified of itself than terrorists even if it means the terrorists win.

exactly

 

[Moonbeam]

This is not about being afraid of terrorists or not. It's an issue of the rights of citizens and mis-application of law. What exactly are the British citizens paying their taxes for, if not to keep them safe? Second question is: why are the rights of the indicted criminals greater than those of their (intended) victims? This guy is not even a citizen of the UK, but apparently he cannot be deported because, horror of horrors, he could be harmed in his native Eritrea! Never mind that he has shown intent to cause harm in the UK, but apparently that doesn't count. At the very least, that guy should be parachuted back to his home country.

You seem not to be able to think. The only reason a citizen would demand of his government that he be kept safe is if he fears for his safety. It absolutely is about being afraid, fearful to the extent that you want your fellow citizens rights restricted so they can't hurt you and if you are a delusional coward you will want everybody but you in prison. You should be parachuted into hell where you present no danger to liberty. Wouldn't that be fair, imprison all the cowards whose cowardliness would restrict fearless men's liberties, or would it not just be better to shoot you like the unthinking protoplasmic blob that you are?

 

[grebe925]

....It absolutely is about being afraid, fearful to the extent that you want your fellow citizens rights restricted so they can't hurt you and if you are a delusional coward you will want everybody but you in prison. ......

This guy is not a British national, he is Eritrean! Did you read the article? Who talked about him being put in prison? The Home Office wants to deport him but cannot because , horror of horrors, he would be harmed in his home country, as per the unaccountable European Courts. As per the article, a simple shop-lifter can be deported, but this guy who aided and abetted in causing death and destruction cannot be because of that claim.

 

[JSt0rm]

As per the article, a simple shop-lifter can be deported, but this guy who aided and abetted in causing death and destruction cannot be because of that claim.

I dont want to invest the time to find out for myself but was he found guilty of that?

 

[grebe925]

I dont want to invest the time to find out for myself but was he found guilty of that?

From the article:

Ali, 35, knew about the potentially murderous July 21 conspiracy and helped the fanatics clear up their explosives factory.

He was jailed for 12 years in February 2008 for aiding and abetting the Al Qaeda cell. Judge Paul Worsley QC said he must have ‘harboured the hope’ the bombers would ‘destroy society as we know it’.

 

[isekii]

hopefully there will be some mob justice.

 

[grebe925]

One thing though, I got to hand it to the London police for having prevented more such bombings and mayhem, considering the kind of international psychos walking their streets who want to do exactly that.

 

[Moonbeam]

This guy is not a British national, he is Eritrean! Did you read the article? Who talked about him being put in prison? The Home Office wants to deport him but cannot because , horror of horrors, he would be harmed in his home country, as per the unaccountable European Courts. As per the article, a simple shop-lifter can be deported, but this guy who aided and abetted in causing death and destruction cannot be because of that claim.

Did you read my post. Did I not say we need to deport you to hell? You're not thinking again.

 

[Moonbeam]

hopefully there will be some mob justice.

Hopefully you will, being the fanatical danger to freemen that you are. But then you're not much of a human being and perhaps deserve mercy. I hope you get a parking ticket and are made to pay it over and over and over again your whole life and packs of wolves hunt you down if you don't.

 

[grebe925]

Did you read my post. Did I not say we need to deport you to hell? You're not thinking again.

Other than ad hominem attacks (something I find common amongst all jihadi supporters), do you have anything else to say?

 

[JSt0rm]

Other than ad hominem attacks (something I find common amongst all jihadi supporters),

Coincidence? :sneaky:

Moonbeam is talking on a higher level then you are willing to go unfortunately

 

[Oric]

The article says that he's not allowed to use the Internet.

How is that even possible ? Outside his home he can use it anywhere without being noticed

 

[Veliko]

This is not about being afraid of terrorists or not. It's an issue of the rights of citizens and mis-application of law. What exactly are the British citizens paying their taxes for, if not to keep them safe? Second question is: why are the rights of the indicted criminals greater than those of their (intended) victims? This guy is not even a citizen of the UK, but apparently he cannot be deported because, horror of horrors, he could be harmed in his native Eritrea! Never mind that he has shown intent to cause harm in the UK, but apparently that doesn't count. At the very least, that guy should be parachuted back to his home country.

This always makes me laugh - in what way are the rights of criminals greater than those of law abiding citizens?

 

[Double Trouble]

This always makes me laugh - in what way are the rights of criminals greater than those of law abiding citizens?

In this example, his right to be protected from possible danger if he is sent back to his country apparently is more important than the rights of those whose lives he conspired to attempt to end to not have such a dangerous criminal in their midst.

 

[Moonbeam]

In this example, his right to be protected from possible danger if he is sent back to his country apparently is more important than the rights of those whose lives he conspired to attempt to end to not have such a dangerous criminal in their midst.

Ah, so you can't think either. The law has determined that returning him to his native country would expose him to a bunch of dangerous criminals who would take his life, the very thing you don't want to happen to you, and which, being against the government's own law, would be criminal for it, and therefore, you to do So you are just as big a criminal as he, hoping to end life in a criminal manner.

And furthermore, he is being released into a society full of such 'dangerous criminals as he, all kinds of folk who have gotten out of prison after serving their time in prison and having thus fully paid their debt to society according to the very laws criminals like you want to subvert, folk put there maybe for killing people, or for violence perpetrated, say, only against Muslims. How terrible for him. He was, of course, safer in prison than he will be on the public transportation system where such heinous acts happen all too frequently. He is in just as much danger if not more so than you. He should be the one to complain about being free if anybody has a right to make that claim.

And he is being set free in a society full of vigilante asshole like you see in this thread, folk so afraid of their shadows they will never rise to the monumental achievements of Western law and justice that claims that no man is guilty or can have his rights taken from him unless pr oven guilty of a crime in a court of law and that all those who have such rights taken have them restored to the full extent the law provides when their debt is paid in full.

It is always fun in these kinds of hate threads to see how many folk can't manage to live up to the ideals of their culture that make them so proud to pretend to claim it as their own, sad little unevolved, self-centered assholes who care only for themselves and never about the fantastically evolved state of justice their culture represents over the rest of the world. You don't really deserve to live in the West or call yourselves civilized. You are no more emotionally or ethically evolved that somebody from the stone age, and maybe not even that.

 

[1prophet]

Looks like a right wing conspiracy to me, release him early have him commit another act of terrorism, get law on deportation changed.:sneaky:

 

[grebe925]

In this example, his right to be protected from possible danger if he is sent back to his country apparently is more important than the rights of those whose lives he conspired to attempt to end to not have such a dangerous criminal in their midst.

Double Trouble, don't even take the trouble of trying to explain the concept of rule of law based on individual rights to tribal minds like Moonbeam and Veliko. Their response is innuendo and nitpicking the life out of your argument. For them, the criminal can do no wrong, the law-abiding citizen can do no right. Countries like Holland, Denmark etc. who run some of the most equitable societies see how a certain subset of those who come to their shores as immigrants make a joke of their laws and have tightened them to eliminate the abuse, force them to live according to their rules and have also basically said "fvck you" to the unrepresentative European Courts when they try to interfere. The U.S. also does not tolerate such pedantic nonsense and either locks them up and throws away the key or gives the boot to anyone indulging in violence on society at large. I wonder when British citizens rise up and say "enough is enough".