Lol... Why am I not surprised (at all) that Sony has sunk this low?

[bNeta86]

Well...a merge of servers would be horrendous - and I hope unlikely. I highly doubt they would do this...unless a serious majority of the existing population wanted to...which by all indications from reading the boards is not likely to happen.

"As nobody with a shed of dignity would continue to play after this"...please. Plenty of people are smart enough to realize this wont impact their gaming experience in anyway other than positively and will continue to play and enjoy the game.

As far as non exchange servers merging - that is a valid point. ...if 2 servers come together it would only make things easier in general. Lag wont be an issue as they wouldnt overpopulate a server in a merge - it would just make it easier to find a group and more players similar to yourself to guild with or play with.

however - 2 economies being merged might be difficult - but I highly doubt the demand will be high enough to make it so a server pop is brought so low as to be unsustainable alone. If the demand is enough to motivate enough people to leave a server for the new exchange ones to make it so that 2 non exchange servers need to be merged then holy crap - people really do want this in the game and its a good thing they made it. If not - then its just business as normal.

Either way - its not going to change how I play one bit. but I think it is premature to assume that 2 servers will have to be merged (and unlikely in my opinion) - if they are - it will be a sad day for MMO gaming I agree.


As for this..."Just because Sony ruined EQ1 doesn't mean an enjoyable experience can no longer be had and that you have to succumb to their further attempts to blaspheme the genre"


I didnt succomb to anything - whats missing from the EQ1 days in the new games...how about the first experience. Everything was new and exciting. The game was fun because it was new.

Now things are different but its tough to make up a new game that is as shockingly new as the origional was because it was so different from what else was out at the time.


WoW and EQ2 are both 2nd generation games - and each unique and fun...just missing that same "holy crap" factor that was so prevelent in early EQ1.

Maybe vanguard can bring this back...but I dont think Sony ruined EQ1 - they actually made it fun for longer than any other RPG has done. The changes that were made became more and more repetative because they ran out of AMAZINGLY innovative ideas. Is that their fault? well i guess partly - but can you blame people for being unable to invent something?

The MMO market has matured to the point that things are all the same with new bells and whistles - but basically the goals in each game are the same...make my character better than your character. Indirect PvP. Killing mobs serves as a way to prove you are better than others around you - but really the goals of the game are to outdo those around you by being higher level - better skilled at killing mobs - better equiped.


Gone are the days of playing the game because it is new and cool...its how quickly can I race to the top. I try to not get caught up in this and just play for the fun of the experience in the game - but people are caught up in the min - maxer role all the same. Often without realizing it.




I really enjoy the WoW PvP structure...it provides instant feedback and is challenging. EQ2 has a better quest system so when I want to play a quest type game thats my choice. There is no game that I can play right now that is so different from everything else out there that it really satisfies my urge to explore new content...cause its all basically the same now.


Maybe I am different from you in this regard - just thought I would bring up what I meant by saying gone are the days of EQ1. I dont think SOE ruined the game - it simply "got old" lost its newness factor and holy crap wow ability. I have been spoiled.

Whats wrong? - well lots of things... but mainly feeling inefficient while gaming. Doing a quest knowing that grinding would have leveled me faster. That thought never used to enter my mind while playing. I just went out and explored - grouped because it was fun - not because I got more exp then soloing (or the other way around).

I think it will be interesting to watch these new servers - they will have by FAR the most advanced economies of any game to date - as every choice will have real world implications. Might add a new flavor to the game that some folks want - not me - but some people will enjoy that. Makes them feel "worth playing."

who knows - but to toss out the fact that this will be the downfall of a hugely successful game is just premature. All 500 people who are really upset by this will quit - but the silent majority of players who could care less what happens on someone elses server will just continue on without a blip.

But I agree - if it means merging servers that will piss a lot of people off...and rightfully so - then they would have something to bitch about - but unless that happens - "Who cares???"

 

[Gurck]

What makes you think the silent majority is ok with it? That's 3 Madame Cleos in one day, what's happening to ATSW? :Q

Btw Lol

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Bateluer
If you can't beat them, join them. Its likely other MMOs will follow suit as well; especially since a lot of them are usually cash starved and fighting exploiters/fraud/eBay takes a lot of effort.

Madame Cleo? Is it really you?!? I'd keep my mouth shut about what the future holds, especially considering how successful WoW is... At any rate, I also don't find it surprising you'd defend them for it

Other than WoW and EQ2, the other MMOs are have a fraction of the money Sony and Blizzard have. :roll:

I don't know why I waste my time with the definitive WoW fanboy on these boards. :disgust:

I don't get it, you're someone who can admit no wrong with Sony, and you're calling someone who likes (but doesn't love) WoW, and who freely admits its many faults, a fanboy? Must be another one of those leaps of logic typical of ... fanboys

Wow, you really are the classic definition of a forum troll.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: exilera
Wow, I really am the classic definition of a forum troll.

QFT

 

[replicator]

Those servers are going to be overrun with foreign farmers who make a living off of it.

I have no problem with it since I don't play EQ. If someone is foolish enough to hand over money to farmers and SOE, let them be.

 

[bNeta86]

Originally posted by: Gurck
What makes you think the silent majority is ok with it? That's 3 Madame Cleos in one day, what's happening to ATSW? :Q

Btw Lol

And your prediction that it will be the downfall of EQ2? guess that makes 4. Apparently it just is not an option to have a differing point of view when talking to you. I was trying to bring up some differing ways to look at the situation.

 

[exilera]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: exilera
Wow, I really am the classic definition of a forum troll.

QFT

10,000 posts in a year, I think you take the cake 90% of the posts I've seen from you have been insulting and demeaning. How's it feel, Troll?

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: bNeta86

Originally posted by: Gurck
What makes you think the silent majority is ok with it? That's 3 Madame Cleos in one day, what's happening to ATSW? :Q

Btw Lol

And your prediction that it will be the downfall of EQ2? guess that makes 4. Apparently it just is not an option to have a differing point of view when talking to you. I was trying to bring up some differing ways to look at the situation.

I'm basing my prediction on past experience with mmorpgs and how various changes affect them. Cheapening a game might work for battle.net, but never will for EQ2.

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

Sure wish I could sell in WoW without worries.

Don't understand the people who buy (are they rich or just stupid?). But I'll happily take their $$$ for virtual stuff that doesn't exist.

 

[Gurck]

Here is a poll on it.

 

[BigPoppa]

SOE recently banned 200 farm accounts related to companies like IGE. This did kill EQ2 sales for IGE for a couple weeks, but its right back to normal. You can't stop these companies by trying to ban accounts, its not going to work.

The poll on the vanguard forums has so many forms of bias its rediculous. Have you never taken a statistics class? Non-response and selection bias to only name two.

Server merges: EQ1 is merging servers as we speak. Guess which server didn't get merged? If you guessed Stormhammer, aka Legends,you would be correct.

You're basing your opinion on past experiences in MMORPG changes. No mmo has done this to date, what experience could you possibly have? On the otherhand, I have experienced first hand how much farmers can influence a game. Also, these are going to be specific servers. If you don't want to play on the server, you're in no way affected by this.

That picture you linked was made during the announcement of Stormhammer to mock people who would play on the server. Nothing of the sort was ever introduced. Just illustrates how far trolls like you will try to bend the truth. This is why no drop items - like Myrlokar's Dagger of Vengeance - are the status symbols of the game. I dare you to try and gear up a naked 65-70 war in bazaar gear, with plat/items from IGE, with over half the HP of the top end warriors in EQ. You can't.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gurck

:roll: I'd have to conclude from this and apoppin's post that you're both illiterate. It's tragic

from your posts here the entire forum may conclude you're stupid.

not tragic.
:roll:
:thumbsdown:

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gurck

:roll: I'd have to conclude from this and apoppin's post that you're both illiterate. It's tragic

from your posts here the entire forum may conclude you're stupid.

not tragic.
:roll:
:thumbsdown:

Lol, typical of an elite member Well, not entirely typical - you're less intelligent than most. This is quite an accomplishment, my friend.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: BigPoppa
SOE recently banned 200 farm accounts related to companies like IGE. This did kill EQ2 sales for IGE for a couple weeks, but its right back to normal. You can't stop these companies by trying to ban accounts, its not going to work.

The poll on the vanguard forums has so many forms of bias its rediculous. Have you never taken a statistics class? Non-response and selection bias to only name two.

Server merges: EQ1 is merging servers as we speak. Guess which server didn't get merged? If you guessed Stormhammer, aka Legends,you would be correct.

You're basing your opinion on past experiences in MMORPG changes. No mmo has done this to date, what experience could you possibly have? On the otherhand, I have experienced first hand how much farmers can influence a game. Also, these are going to be specific servers. If you don't want to play on the server, you're in no way affected by this.

That picture you linked was made during the announcement of Stormhammer to mock people who would play on the server. Nothing of the sort was ever introduced. Just illustrates how far trolls like you will try to bend the truth. This is why no drop items - like Myrlokar's Dagger of Vengeance - are the status symbols of the game. I dare you to try and gear up a naked 65-70 war in bazaar gear, with plat/items from IGE, with over half the HP of the top end warriors in EQ. You can't.

More excuses, how surprising :roll:

I never said you had to have experienced a company doing what Sony will be doing, only that most MMORPG veterans have a knowledge of the genre's inner workings which will highlight the implications this has. EQ2 fanboys, of course, won't understand this, as it puts Sony in an awful light - something they're not capable of seeing. As far as the picture, please tell me you're not this stupid... Please? Text

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gurck

:roll: I'd have to conclude from this and apoppin's post that you're both illiterate. It's tragic

from your posts here the entire forum may conclude you're stupid.

not tragic.
:roll:
:thumbsdown:

Lol, typical of an elite member Well, not entirely typical - you're less intelligent than most. This is quite an accomplishment, my friend.

what's typical? . . . to reply "in kind"?

I guess you can "start it" and "dish it out" but you can't take it.

The entire forum is wise to your immaturity and i wont dignify this thread to reply further to you. Clearly you have NOTHING to say and you are saying it loudly.
:thumbsdown:

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gurck

:roll: I'd have to conclude from this and apoppin's post that you're both illiterate. It's tragic

from your posts here the entire forum may conclude you're stupid.

not tragic.
:roll:
:thumbsdown:

Lol, typical of an elite member Well, not entirely typical - you're less intelligent than most. This is quite an accomplishment, my friend.

what's typical? . . . to reply "in kind"?

I guess you can "start it" and "dish it out" but you can't take it.

The entire forum is wise to your immaturity and i wont dignify this thread to reply further to you. Clearly you have NOTHING to say and you are saying it loudly.
:thumbsdown:

What's typical is stupidity, lack of meat in your posts and liberal use of ad homs. I called you on replying without having read the post and get called stupid in return. You are an utter idiot and a waste of good oxygen. YOU are the one with nothing to say, it's disappointing to try to discuss an idea only to have to wade through idiocy such as your posts.

 

[BigPoppa]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: BigPoppa
SOE recently banned 200 farm accounts related to companies like IGE. This did kill EQ2 sales for IGE for a couple weeks, but its right back to normal. You can't stop these companies by trying to ban accounts, its not going to work.

The poll on the vanguard forums has so many forms of bias its rediculous. Have you never taken a statistics class? Non-response and selection bias to only name two.

Server merges: EQ1 is merging servers as we speak. Guess which server didn't get merged? If you guessed Stormhammer, aka Legends,you would be correct.

You're basing your opinion on past experiences in MMORPG changes. No mmo has done this to date, what experience could you possibly have? On the otherhand, I have experienced first hand how much farmers can influence a game. Also, these are going to be specific servers. If you don't want to play on the server, you're in no way affected by this.

That picture you linked was made during the announcement of Stormhammer to mock people who would play on the server. Nothing of the sort was ever introduced. Just illustrates how far trolls like you will try to bend the truth. This is why no drop items - like Myrlokar's Dagger of Vengeance - are the status symbols of the game. I dare you to try and gear up a naked 65-70 war in bazaar gear, with plat/items from IGE, with over half the HP of the top end warriors in EQ. You can't.

More excuses, how surprising :roll:

I never said you had to have experienced a company doing what Sony will be doing, only that most MMORPG veterans have a knowledge of the genre's inner workings which will highlight the implications this has. EQ2 fanboys, of course, won't understand this, as it puts Sony in an awful light - something they're not capable of seeing. As far as the picture, please tell me you're not this stupid... Please? Text

Yet again you glance over my post and offer barely a fleeting response to my points. Then you accuse others of ad hom attacks while still calling me a EQ2 fanboy when I don't even play the game anymore. The station exchange will affect absolutely ZERO people who choose to stay on non-exchange servers. I couldn't care less what light sony is portrayed in according to the resident troll. They make a product, EQ1, I still enjoy playing after 4 years (started 2001).

Lets at least try to address my points in the next attack on me?

 

[imported_obsidian]

Originally posted by: BigPoppa
Yet again you glance over my post and offer barely a fleeting response to my points. Then you accuse others of ad hom attacks while still calling me a EQ2 fanboy when I don't even play the game anymore. The station exchange will affect absolutely ZERO people who choose to stay on non-exchange servers. I couldn't care less what light sony is portrayed in according to the resident troll. They make a product, EQ1, I still enjoy playing after 4 years (started 2001).

Lets at least try to address my points in the next attack on me?

To Gurck, addressing points isn't nearly as important as flaming the people making them. It's not even worth trying. 90% of his posts in this thread are flames at someone. The other 10% are weak arguments that when you counter, he either ignores or flames you back.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: obsidian

Originally posted by: BigPoppa
Yet again you glance over my post and offer barely a fleeting response to my points. Then you accuse others of ad hom attacks while still calling me a EQ2 fanboy when I don't even play the game anymore. The station exchange will affect absolutely ZERO people who choose to stay on non-exchange servers. I couldn't care less what light sony is portrayed in according to the resident troll. They make a product, EQ1, I still enjoy playing after 4 years (started 2001).

Lets at least try to address my points in the next attack on me?

To Gurck, addressing points isn't nearly as important as flaming the people making them. It's not even worth trying. 90% of his posts in this thread are flames at someone. The other 10% are weak arguments that when you counter, he either ignores or flames you back.

:laugh: Coming from someone who's posted only to insult me in numerous threads.. good stuff

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Feneant2
In Eq2, money has little use, you grind for everything you need

fixed or at least that is what i do

BTW, i have started playing EQ2 again and have not been ninjad yet, /crosses fingers

but i dont believe my server is station exchange enabled, so that is good.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/...message?board.id=stex&message.id=15039

 

[fishbits]

Gives the game a bad name, non exchange servers may have to merge, as nobody with a shred of dignity (the type non-exchange servers would attract) would continue playing after this change, and serves as a slippery slope.

So you don't play the game? Or are about to quit? If so, what do you care if the players who want to stay don't mind being given a choice? But I guess that's covered by your pre-emptively slurring them as "not having a shred of dignity" for not seeing the situation exactly as you do and cancelling their accounts.

Before the change, some players are buying and selling game items for real world cash, a practice some people like and some don't. After the change, those who do want to buy and sell can do so out in the open, without the tension and complaints from those who are bothered by it. They also get a safe, secure way to do their transactions in-game. Those who don't like it will see the exodus of those who do to enabled servers, giving them a more pure community and removing the tarnish that intrudes on the play-style and type of environment and community they enjoy. Everyone decides what suits him best and gets it free of charge, while more resources are freed up to put back into running the game, developing it and providing service.

Sounds like the only "tragedy" here is that the name of the company facilitating the sales will be "Sony" instead of the black marketers already out there doing it today. Seems pretty petty, unless I'm missing something. Giving subscribers choices is something most people eagerly welcome. And if the population crash in non-enabled servers is something to worry about... guess that would mean there's such a high percentage of the population that does buy and sell on a cash basis that they darn well ought to be catered to to some degree.

 

[larry89]

go play FFXI

 

[Continuity27]

How is this any worse than the current situation?

There's already a bunch of (mostly Chinese) companies in the real world whose job is to grind in these games and sell in-game money and items for real money through websites like IGE and Ebay. SOE regulating it would only make things better.

Remember though, there's still supply and demand. And it's actually still somewhat logical, despite what you first think. To get places in these games you need TIME. Time is money, some people would rather pay some money to save a lot of time, what's more valuable? It's up to the buyer and seller not you. The point is, now companies like IGE will lose business, and those companies that ruin the game for others by farming everything will probably start to go away or consolidate. Why? Because items and money would have to follow SOE's pricing. Who would buy 50 gold from IGE for $50 when SOE has it for $25? And at $25, IGE is not making enough, you know what I mean?

SOE isn;t losing anything, the only people that have something to lose are those "other" companies.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Text

The NDA just got lifted.

Goes live July 20. They created a new server (the bazaar/shadow heaven) and allow players to transfer there. Thank god they are not doing it on existing servers, i could just see how bad ninjaing would be.

 

[DaveSimmons]

There have been 2-3 threads recently in Off-Topic about people selling their characters on eBay then having the buyer scam them. Moving from black market to regulated sales seems like a positive change to me given that sales are happening already.