LOL the great USDA!!

NoStateofMind

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USDA: Most recalled beef has probably been eaten


(CNN) -- Federal officials are trying to track down the 143 million pounds of beef recalled Sunday, but they say that most of it has probably been eaten.

Keith Williams, a U.S. Department of Agriculture spokesman, said investigators have found no cases of illness related to the recalled meat.

The beef recall came after inspectors said they found "clear violations" of USDA regulations at a California slaughterhouse that has been accused of mistreating cows.

"We do not know how much of this product is out there at this time. We do not feel this product presents a health risk of any significance," said Dick Raymond, the undersecretary of agriculture for food safety. "But the product was produced in noncompliance with our regulations, so therefore we do have to take this action."

Yeah government doing its job again! ROFL

"Uhh by the way, that beef we are recalling...most of it has already been eaten."

Money well spent eh?
 

blackangst1

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On another note without the FDA we could very well have same fucked up scenario China has for poultry. Some regulation is a GOOD thing.
 

StageLeft

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This was stupid anyway. I figure if a cow is good for 500 lbs of meat (I bet it's a damn lot less but I have no idea), this is 300,000 cows just because a couple of people are cruel to animals and some other stuff was missed. It's a gross overreaction.
 

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In other news, the FDA neither fixed my car's engine, nor did it fail to adequately evaluate the environmental impact of Anwar.

Worse yet, they didn't make me a sammich.

Oh, did anyone notice the OP linked to something regarding the USDA which is responsible for these sorts of things, yet made a thread about the FDA, which is not?
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
This was stupid anyway. I figure if a cow is good for 500 lbs of meat (I bet it's a damn lot less but I have no idea), this is 300,000 cows just because a couple of people are cruel to animals and some other stuff was missed. It's a gross overreaction.

Agree. I'm totally against inhumane treatment of animals but why waste the meat? Fire those involved and fine the slaughterhouse but don't let all of the meat go wasted.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: nonameo
it wasn't recalled for health reasons.

But Ron Paul would have been able to fix this through the miracles of Libertopian elimination of all federal agencies like the FDA and somehow still maintain even more safety and rapid reaction.

 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: nonameo
it wasn't recalled for health reasons.

But Ron Paul would have been able to fix this through the miracles of Libertopian elimination of all federal agencies like the FDA and somehow still maintain even more safety and rapid reaction.

Prices would be half as much too...but the slaughterhouses would be making twice as much! All Hail President Paul!
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
But Ron Paul would have been able to fix this through the miracles of Libertopian elimination of all federal agencies like the FDA and somehow still maintain even more safety and rapid reaction.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

WHAMPOM

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Is this where the FDA got involved after videos of down cows getting processed were shown on a local news station?
 

Craig234

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The basic fallacy usually involved here is for the righties to run the agency incompetently and underfunded, and then say it proves government doesn't work, when all it proves is that Republican-run government doesn't work - they're incompetent at running that which they are not in favor of, since their agenda is quite different than the public's, i.e., steer those dollars to the rich.

Would you let a bunch of anti-corporate hippies run a Fortune 500 company? If you did and they did badly, would you say it proves how the corporation was not a good setup? So why do the same things with government activities?
 

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The FDA is all bureaucrats (so is the USDA). They run the same way whether a Republican or Democrat is sitting in the oval office.

And many / most of teh Fortune 500 ARE run by hippies (in their previous life as a student) and most of them seem to be doing pretty well, all-in-all ... that's why they are the top 500.

 

jhbball

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: nonameo
it wasn't recalled for health reasons.

But Ron Paul would have been able to fix this through the miracles of Libertopian elimination of all federal agencies like the FDA and somehow still maintain even more safety and rapid reaction.

:D
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: ScottMac
The FDA is all bureaucrats. They run the same way whether a Republican or Democrat is sitting in the oval office.

And many / most of teh Fortune 500 ARE run by hippies (in their previous life as a student) and most of them seem to be doing pretty well, all-in-all ... that's why they are the top 500.

You're wrong. There is an element of the bureaucrat class going on regardless of party, but there's a large change between the parties, in mission, accountability, partisan appointees.

Bush has appointed something like 200 former industry lobbyists and officials to positions representing the public oversight for those industries - that's not the same as a democrat.

And those appointments matter. We've seen no small number in many agencies of staff loyal to the public interest - not the epithet 'bureaucrat' but honest worker - shut down by the political corruption of the appointed leaders. From the Gail Norton Department of the Interior, to the analyst threatened to hide the real cost of the Medicare drug benefit giveaway from Congress, to many in the state department who resigned, to the punishment of the US Attorneys who were honest instead of willing to do corrupt things, on and on.

FEMA may be the most famous poster child of a 'can-do' democratic president building up an agency, contrasted with a 'put the money elsewhere' tear-down Republican.

As I posted in another thread, imagine if a democratic President tries to do what JFK did in 1961, if we had not put a man on the moon already, and say the government would lead such an effort at a cost of (today's dollars) hundreds of billions of dollars. The righties would scream how bad an idea it was, the government can't do that sort of thing - and yet the democrats got it done - in the 1960's. We've seen both President Bushes commit the nation to a man on Mars, trying to get the same sort of glow as Kennedy - and see the result.

Even Al Gore as VP headed a commission to reduce government waste, and got rid of hundreds of thousands of federal positions - with an emphasis on the military after the cold war ended, but not all by any means. Harry Truman, as a Senator, headed a famous commission into the war profiteering in WWII - something we need today with Iraq, but which the administration opposes.

No, you like many or most righties are basing your views on ideology. Democrats have long hated incompetence in government, waste in government; but people like you are susceptible to the lies of the marketing people for Republicans saying how the dems like big wasteful government, and you can't see how you are falling for it. Kennedy had a drastically smaller government that the ones that followed. Big government growers were Nixon, Reagan, and Bush 43. Remember who won WWII? Who actually SOLVED a lot of the big national problems in Elder poverty (social security) and people, especially elders, going without healthcare (Medicare), over the objections of the Republicans, in systems that analysts say would be far more expensive to run in the private sector with the profit motive? Did you ever hear of the VA being an incompetent, scandal-ridden agency until the Bush administration incompetence and budget priorities at the top?

Here's how the typical right-winger votes:

Oh, the Republians say they're against big wasteful government, and I agree with that, so I'll vote against the democrats who must love that stuff.

How they don't vote:

I'm against big wasteful government, so I'll rationally analyze which party has more effective and efficient government, and base my choice on the answer.
 

techs

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So what the OP's point? We should disband the FDA and let the "free market" ensure food safety? Just like China?

It all comes down to the money.
As long as the Republicans are stopping real election reform to stop corporations from having more influence than the people we are so screwed.
 

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Craig234 makes a good point. The Bush administration has frequently gutted agencies like the FDA and USDA. They have also appointed industry lackeys to meet its agenda. Then you get the drooling AM conservative radio masses foaming at the mouth when a gutted agency run by lackeys of the industry they are meant to oversee. Is it not surprising that they sometimes make craptacular mistakes or omissions in oversight when they are so skewed toward favoring loose regulations by industry cronies running the agency. Why not just appoint the wolf to oversee the hen house while your at it.

P.S. Thanks to Hayabusa Rider for point out the error in agencies being talked about.
 

jonks

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The meat was recalled for violation, not poison. As far as I can tell, the issue is moo.
 

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Testing, testing...

Is this mic on?

Hello out there.

Post title about the FDA

The agency charged with following this is the USDA.

Testing... Testing...
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Testing, testing...

Is this mic on?

Hello out there.

Post title about the FDA

The agency charged with following this is the USDA.

Testing... Testing...

:laugh: Totally went by me! :eek:
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: techs
As long as the Republicans are stopping real election reform to stop corporations from having more influence than the people we are so screwed.

Yes, because Democrats do not engage in such sleazy politics. Especially your Queen. :roll:
 

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They're a bit late on the draw on this one. Sure hope the DEA is faster when somebody downtown gets bad drugs, or FEMA, next time there is a disaster. :roll:

...oh, and to keep this proper for P&N and all that, it's probably Bush's fault. Yep folks, people ate Bushed Beef. :p
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
They're a bit late on the draw on this one. Sure hope the DEA is faster when somebody downtown gets bad drugs, or FEMA, next time there is a disaster. :roll:

...oh, and to keep this proper for P&N and all that, it's probably Bush's fault. Yep folks, people ate Bushed Beef. :p

I like Bush's Baked Beans. Go figure.