LOL So much for Apple's touch ID "security"

[Rakehellion]

So you would use your index fingerprint to unlock your phone 50 times a day?

Yeah. I have to use three fingers just to take it out of my pocket, so that isn't a stretch. Most buttons on most appliances are expected to be operated with the index finger.

 

[MrX8503]

So you would use your index fingerprint to unlock your phone 50 times a day?

I've already replied but you ignored it. I'll repost it below.

You said its not possible to change your fingerprint and my rebuttal is that you have ten fingers. Using your index finger isn't as convenient as your thumb, but it's certainly not crazy.

 

[openwheel]

Are you kidding me? I never said there isn't convenience in hands free operation. I agree there is. But at the same time maybe you can uncover your eyes and realize that fingerprint reading is easy too instead of dealing with a passcode unlock.

If Google or Samsung pushed something like this out, you would be giving them a round of applause. Of course it's Apple, so you expose your bias and flame them all you want.

Is fingerprint scanner "easy"? Sure it's likely easier than passcode.

No, sorry, if Android has this feature I wouldn't even use it. I would just call it a gimmick. I call a spade a spade. I could careless about Samsung. I don't like it anymore than Apple.

 

[openwheel]

I've already replied but you ignored it. I'll repost it below....

You said its not possible to change your fingerprint and my rebuttal is that you have ten fingers. Using your index finger isn't as convenient as your thumb, but it's certainly not crazy.

Show us a picture of you using your index finger unlocking iPhone 5S, then we will decide whether you are crazy or not. I like to unlock a phone one handed, so help me out please.

 

[Red Storm]

Where would you even put a finger printer scanner on an Android flagship? Bezels are getting smaller and smaller thankfully, that's a billion times more important to me than a fingerprint scanner. On the back maybe? But I don't even have a lockscreen enabled so I personally don't see the point.

 

[BoberFett]

As part of a two step authentication process fingerprint is fine. I'd never use it alone though, as others point out you can never change biometric passwords at will. Either you can't change it when you want to, or you're forced to change it when you don't want to. I have a damaged fingerprint from a burn for instance.

Not to mention, up here in the great white north, we wear gloves an awful lot. Gloves with capacitive screen fingertips was a great invention for this climate, fingerprint unlock means you just have to take your glove off anyway.

Fingerprint/face/voice ID plus a password is the best solution. And there needs to be an alternative password in the event none of those work.

 

[Red Storm]

As part of a two step authentication process fingerprint is fine. I'd never use it alone though, as others point out you can never change biometric passwords at will. Either you can't change it when you want to, or you're forced to change it when you don't want to. I have a damaged fingerprint from a burn for instance.

Not to mention, up here in the great white north, we wear gloves an awful lot. Gloves with capacitive screen fingertips was a great invention for this climate, fingerprint unlock means you just have to take your glove off anyway.

Fingerprint/face/voice ID plus a password is the best solution. And there needs to be an alternative password in the event none of those work.

Blood test. D:

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Show us a picture of you using your index finger unlocking iPhone 5S, then we will decide whether you are crazy or not. I like to unlock a phone one handed, so help me out please.

It's not doable 1 handed, but it's doable with 2 hands. But wait, I thought phones are meant to be used with two hands? Isn't this the argument that large phones are ok?

And seriously, your signature is just a troll attempt. Anyone reading those statements objectively would not see anything wrong with those quotes. You'd have to try to inject your bias in to see it that way.

 

[alkemyst]

So you would use your index fingerprint to unlock your phone 50 times a day?

if one is unlocking their phone based on pin, they are using their "finger prints" 200 times a day.

 

[Eug]

As part of a two step authentication process fingerprint is fine. I'd never use it alone though, as others point out you can never change biometric passwords at will. Either you can't change it when you want to, or you're forced to change it when you don't want to. I have a damaged fingerprint from a burn for instance.

I'm not sure how having a burned finger would change anything. It'd just mean re-training TouchID with the burned finger.

Not to mention, up here in the great white north, we wear gloves an awful lot. Gloves with capacitive screen fingertips was a great invention for this climate, fingerprint unlock means you just have to take your glove off anyway.

I have gloves with capacitive screen support, but they are hit and miss too, so I sometimes take off the gloves anyway in the winter. Mind you, I suspect TouchID would have problems in the cold too, so in the winter I'd probably shut off TouchID when I plan on using the phone a lot outside. It's less of a concern for me though since I don't walk to work.

Fingerprint/face/voice ID plus a password is the best solution. And there needs to be an alternative password in the event none of those work.

This is the best solution for highest safety, but not the best solution for most people IMO, because it's too inconvenient. I certainly wouldn't be using fingerprint + passcode for general phone usage. I'd use either a passcode (like I do now) or TouchID (preferred).

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Where would you even put a finger printer scanner on an Android flagship? Bezels are getting smaller and smaller thankfully, that's a billion times more important to me than a fingerprint scanner. On the back maybe? But I don't even have a lockscreen enabled so I personally don't see the point.

This is why I still prefer physical buttons and I do like Samsung's phone layout.

There's always going to be SOME bezel left. Even on the Moto X, LG G2, and supposed Nexus 5 renders, there's always some bottom bezel. If that bezel's going to remain, I'd prefer that they use those as buttons rather than taking away screen real estate. To me that's the perfect opportunity for a fingerprint scanner.

 

[Eug]

Yes, the one thing I hate about Nexus and Motorola phones and the one thing I really like about Samsung phones is the absence and presence respectively of a physical home button, even though I don't like TouchWiz as much.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I'm not the one that's being blind. TouchID is just meant as a option vs not using a lock or a replacement for pin/pattern unlock.

Instead of treating it as such, and in an effort to discredit TouchID for it's intended use, you came up with a some scenario with filming cops doing something illegal and being forced to delete this video? Okay, I concede, if you ever are in a situation where you are filming cops, then you should definitely use Pin/Pattern unlock and not TouchID.

That's all I've been trying to say the entire time.

What may not work for me may be perfectly dandy to others.

 

[Zaap]

I use the same phone security feature that I use with wallet/keys, other expensive personal items...

... I simply don't ever let anyone else get their hands on it.

It's worked for all these years with a simple leather billfold that has zero security measure to keep any thief from having my: cash, bank cards, drivers's license, SS card, insurance cards, (basically my full identity) AAA, company access cards, etc.

It's also stopped anyone from stealing these jangling metal things that would allow anyone to drive off with five figures worth of automobile or waltz into my house and help themselves to anything in it.

Soo... I trust that this method too will work for my phone also, which has: none of my sensitive information actually available to anyone (personally, I don't know why people act like they keep every bit of private info in plain/unprotected sight on their phones- if you do, it's kind of stupid.) Not a single unfiltered password of any kind. No trace of my banking info for anyone to just auto-log into and view, and pretty much nothing of interest to anyone but me except maybe my latest game scores or maybe a bunch of IM's with such top secret info as "Don't forget to bring home milk..."

Yes, it would suck to have stolen, but mostly because of inconvenience, but not because I walk around with all sorts of OPEN ME: TOP SECRET! files with all my personal data for the world to see.

I suspect, in truth, a lot of people are the same way. Any thief that really would go through a whole bunch of CSI BS just to hack a fingerprint scanner is probably just going to be "unlocking" a bunch of non-info to them. The only thing they'd really be interested in is selling the phone, not going out of their way to unlock it for useless data.

In short: huge non-issue for most non-James Bond types. And James Bond probably would use my wallet/keys method for his phone also.

 

[openwheel]

It's not doable 1 handed, but it's doable with 2 hands. But wait, I thought phones are meant to be used with two hands? Isn't this the argument that large phones are ok?

And seriously, your signature is just a troll attempt. Anyone reading those statements objectively would not see anything wrong with those quotes. You'd have to try to inject your bias in to see it that way.

LOL you are totally confused now. iPhone 5S is the one with a fingerprint scanner, not larger android phones.

You should leave people's signature along and get worked up by something else instead.

 

[openwheel]

I use the same phone security feature that I use with wallet/keys, other expensive personal items...

... I simply don't ever let anyone else get their hands on it.

It's worked for all these years with a simple leather billfold that has zero security measure to keep any thief from having my: cash, bank cards, drivers's license, SS card, insurance cards, (basically my full identity) AAA, company access cards, etc.

It's also stopped anyone from stealing these jangling metal things that would allow anyone to drive off with five figures worth of automobile or waltz into my house and help themselves to anything in it.

Soo... I trust that this method too will work for my phone also, which has: none of my sensitive information actually available to anyone (personally, I don't know why people act like they keep every bit of private info in plain/unprotected sight on their phones- if you do, it's kind of stupid.) Not a single unfiltered password of any kind. No trace of my banking info for anyone to just auto-log into and view, and pretty much nothing of interest to anyone but me except maybe my latest game scores or maybe a bunch of IM's with such top secret info as "Don't forget to bring home milk..."

Yes, it would suck to have stolen, but mostly because of inconvenience, but not because I walk around with all sorts of OPEN ME: TOP SECRET! files with all my personal data for the world to see.

I suspect, in truth, a lot of people are the same way. Any thief that really would go through a whole bunch of CSI BS just to hack a fingerprint scanner is probably just going to be "unlocking" a bunch of non-info to them. The only thing they'd really be interested in is selling the phone, not going out of their way to unlock it for useless data.

In short: huge non-issue for most non-James Bond types. And James Bond probably would use my wallet/keys method for his phone also.

Amen!

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

LOL you are totally confused now. iPhone 5S is the one with a fingerprint scanner, not larger android phones.

You should leave people's signature along and get worked up by something else instead.

I think YOU'RE confused. You're saying people use their phones with 2 hands. If that's the case, then what's the issue with using your index finger to unlock the phone?

Amen!

So if you agree with him, why are you making a fuss about this whole finger print issue? If it's a non issue for most people, then that's fine.

 

[jpeyton]

This mobile security guy goes through the entire process to fake-out TouchID, and concludes those screaming about its flaws are barking up the wrong tree, because it's a royal PITA to hack it.

Basically, the guy says:

1) TouchID isn't any more secure than a PIN code for a casual thief/hacker, it's simply more convenient to enter.
2) TouchID is actually less secure from a 5th Amendment standpoint.
3) TouchID would only add security if it was a second layer on top of an existing security layer, thus bypassing any convenience.

But to be fair, you can replace "TouchID" with "fingerprint biometrics", because it's an issue that concerns anything that uses your fingerprint as the only layer of security.

 

[MrX8503]

Show us a picture of you using your index finger unlocking iPhone 5S, then we will decide whether you are crazy or not. I like to unlock a phone one handed, so help me out please.

So you're calling me crazy? Oh how deep the rabbit hole is.

Basically, the guy says:

1) TouchID isn't any more secure than a PIN code for a casual thief/hacker, it's simply more convenient to enter.
2) TouchID is actually less secure from a 5th Amendment standpoint.
3) TouchID would only add security if it was a second layer on top of an existing security layer, thus bypassing any convenience.

But to be fair, you can replace "TouchID" with "fingerprint biometrics", because it's an issue that concerns anything that uses your fingerprint as the only layer of security.

Oh really?

This is what he said...
Creating the fake fingerprint is arguably the hardest part and by no means “easy.” It is a lengthy process that takes several hours and uses over a thousand dollars worth of equipment including a high resolution camera and laser printer. First of all, you have to photograph the print, remembering to preserve scale, maintain adequate resolution and ensure you don’t skew or distort the print. Next, you have to edit the print and clean up as much of the smudging as possible. Once complete, you have two options

Casual thief? Yeah right.

 

[openwheel]

DeLerium:

that's kind of creepy that you dig through my old posts....maybe I should use TouchID to lock my history.

Anyway, so you are okay having to always use two hands to unlock a small phone? Yikes. The iPhone 5S is one of the slimmest phone and designed for one hand operation, yet you don't think it's absurd that MrX8503 thinks its okay to unlock using index finger. Also, yes I see girls use two hands to operate iPhone5 (Facebooking, emailing...etc).

Yes, I agree with Zaap. It was beautifully written. I don't use any passcode or TouchID. They are all hassles to me and I don't store top secret data in my phone neither. No one is "making a fuss", it's called a "discussion" or "making an argument". You know, differences of opinion. I think it's a gimmick and you don't, but you don't need to get your panties all twisted. You don't have to get all worked up whenever someone doesn't agree with Apple and its diehards. Relax my friend.

 

[MrX8503]

So you can change your fingerprint password. Yikes.

 

[jpeyton]

Casual thief? Yeah right.

TouchID has a PIN code failsafe. So my original statement is correct: it's no more secure than a PIN code, it's simply more convenient to enter.

 

[ponyo]

Where would you even put a finger printer scanner on an Android flagship? Bezels are getting smaller and smaller thankfully, that's a billion times more important to me than a fingerprint scanner. On the back maybe? But I don't even have a lockscreen enabled so I personally don't see the point.

I like the idea of the scanner on the back of the phone. So when you grab the phone, it knows it's you and automatically unlocks. That would be pretty cool. I don't use lockscreen most of the time due to the inconvenience. When I do use it, I use the pattern unlock because that's the fastest. Pin is too slow.

 

[blairharrington]

Touch ID is a great feature. I'm not sure how anyone could argue against it. But Apple should really provide the option to bypass the lock screen entirely without Touch ID. I've disabled the lock screen on my S4 and I really prefer it this way.

 

[MrX8503]

TouchID has a PIN code failsafe. So my original statement is correct: it's no more secure than a PIN code, it's simply more convenient to enter.

The pin code gives you a few tries before the phone is wiped.