LOL So much for Apple's touch ID "security"

[Red Storm]

Face unlock is useless.

TouchID is a huge advance IMO.

But obviously we disagree.

They're both alternate forms of password entry. I'm not seeing how it's a major advancement, especially considering not everyone locks their phones down.

 

[Eug]

They're both alternate forms of password entry. I'm not seeing how it's a major advancement, especially considering not everyone locks their phones down.

It's the first authentication method on a phone that a lot more convenient than a passcode and actually works.

Lots of people dislike using passcodes because of the inconvenience. Having TouchID removes this hated thing about accessing their phones on a daily basis, the biggest reason people don't use passcodes.

However, it does remain to be seen how many people who don't use passcodes will adopt TouchID, since not using a passcode and not using TouchID is still more convenient. I do think a lot more people will use an authentication method now though, in TouchID, because it's much more convenient than a passcode.

 

[openwheel]

I bet I can type a passcode faster than TouchID unlock. I use 6969 in case anyone steals my phone and want to snoop.

I would bet my watch for your iPhone 5S Gold.

 

[Eug]

To be honest I'd be surprised if you have even had an iPhone 5S in your hands.

And I'm not interested in your watch. Watches became defunct a decade ago.

 

[Red Storm]

I bet I can type a passcode faster than TouchID unlock. I use 6969 in case anyone steals my phone and want to snoop.

I would bet my watch for your iPhone 5S Gold.

I dunno about a passcode, but I know pattern unlock is pretty darn quick. It's still too slow for me, heck seeing a lock screen at all is too slow for me so I don't even have that.

 

[openwheel]

To be honest I'd be surprised if you have even had an iPhone 5S in your hands.

And I'm not interested in your watch. Watches became defunct a decade ago.

I got plenty of iPhones to borrow here at work, and an iPhone 5 at home afterwork.

Don't want to take my bet? You can trade it for several iPhones (if you win of course).

 

[Rakehellion]

I got plenty of iPhones to borrow here at work, and an iPhone 5 at home afterwork.

Don't want to take my bet? You can trade it for several iPhones (if you win of course).

Post a video of you unlocking a phone faster with a passcode than Touch ID and I'll chip in.

 

[openwheel]

It's a bet, not a show and tell. Rule has not been established, but I'd like to see how got the balls to stake their iPhone 5S.

Reality is, passcode is faster.

 

[Eug]

Hopefully there isn't anyone stupid enough to accept that troll bet offer.

 

[openwheel]

LOL, I thought so.
Back to topic. TouchID is not faster, hence not as "convenient" as you would like to claim.

 

[Red Storm]

LOL, I thought so.
Back to topic. TouchID is not faster, hence not as "convenient" as you would like to claim.

I'm gonna have to go with Eug on this one, I definitely see it as being faster than a passcode or password, and that's great. I just don't see it as any kind of major advancement in the mobile industry.

 

[cheezy321]

LOL, I thought so.
Back to topic. TouchID is not faster, hence not as "convenient" as you would like to claim.

I can easily post a video proving you are 100% wrong. Touch ID is definitely faster. By a large margin.

 

[Eug]

However, it does remain to be seen how many people who don't use passcodes will adopt TouchID, since not using a passcode and not using TouchID is still more convenient. I do think a lot more people will use an authentication method now though, in TouchID, because it's much more convenient than a passcode.

Heh. Here's an n=1. A buddy who didn't use a passcode on his iPhone 5 just got the 5S yesterday (in-store, in-stock). And he still won't use any form of authentication. So there ya go.

 

[cheezy321]

The video is being uploaded right now. TouchID wins by a very large margin. I even let my girlfriend leave her screen on so she could have a head start.

 

[purbeast0]

However, it does remain to be seen how many people who don't use passcodes will adopt TouchID, since not using a passcode and not using TouchID is still more convenient. I do think a lot more people will use an authentication method now though, in TouchID, because it's much more convenient than a passcode.

i don't use a passcode on my phone and never plan to. however when i get an ip5s in the next month or so i play to use the touchID feature simply so i don't have to swipe right to left to unlock the lock screen. it's more convenient than having to push a button then swipe my thumb to unlock the screen.

 

[bearxor]

I can probably put this one to rest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biToIuQSSsY

Updated video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2hZ6qFHCTE

 

[PowerYoga]

I can probably put this one to rest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biToIuQSSsY

Would like to see the difference between the grid-drawing thing (forgot the name) versus the thumbprint if possible as well.

 

[bearxor]

Would like to see the difference between the grid-drawing thing (forgot the name) versus the thumbprint if possible as well.

God, Touch ID is going to destroy pattern unlock.

 

[Eug]

That's called pattern unlock.

i don't use a passcode on my phone and never plan to. however when i get an ip5s in the next month or so i play to use the touchID feature simply so i don't have to swipe right to left to unlock the lock screen. it's more convenient than having to push a button then swipe my thumb to unlock the screen.

Good point. TouchID is a one-step process, not two.

P.S. Camera is upside down in that video. Argh!

 

[bearxor]

That's called pattern unlock. Good point. TouchID is a one-step process, not two.

P.S. Camera is upside down in that video. Argh!

Yeah, but I didn't think it was necessary to reshoot it. You're not reading text or anything.

 

[purbeast0]

That's called pattern unlock. Good point. TouchID is a one-step process, not two.

P.S. Camera is upside down in that video. Argh!

no im not talking about pattern unlock. im talking about on my ip4 when you press the home button and it has the "slide to unlock" bar that you have to slide over. there isn't any security pattern or anything.

EDIT:

nm, i see you also edited your post so that you weren't calling what i was talking about "pattern unlock"

 

[Red Storm]

no im not talking about pattern unlock. im talking about on my ip4 when you press the home button and it has the "slide to unlock" bar that you have to slide over. there isn't any security pattern or anything.

EDIT:

nm, i see you also edited your post so that you weren't calling what i was talking about "pattern unlock"

On my Android phones first thing I always do is completely disable the lock screen. Turn the phone on and it's ready to go at your homescreen.

 

[MrX8503]

LOL, I thought so.
Back to topic. TouchID is not faster, hence not as "convenient" as you would like to claim.

Looks like you were proven wrong. I guess it was a good thing that you didn't take bets.

 

[cheezy321]

Here is my video of touch ID vs. code unlock. Its not even close:

https://vimeo.com/75508734

 

[bearxor]

no im not talking about pattern unlock. im talking about on my ip4 when you press the home button and it has the "slide to unlock" bar that you have to slide over. there isn't any security pattern or anything.

EDIT:

nm, i see you also edited your post so that you weren't calling what i was talking about "pattern unlock"

I have a second video going up right now that has a redo of the PIN in correct orientation (FINE, EUG!) and a RAZR HD with pattern unlock.

I'm not going to do a third one just to show the regular unlock pattern but I did try it on my devices here. AT WORST, I can hit the home button and slide to unlock in the same amount of time that Touch ID takes. That's basically if Touch ID doesn't get a good "read" on my finger. There were several times when Touch ID was still significantly faster that the regular slide to unlock and quite a few times where it was only slightly faster.

Honestly, Red, I think it'd depend on the Android phone (my RAZR HD isn't exactly as fast as a SGS4 or a HTC One or something) but Touch ID comes pretty close to the speed not having an unlock screen.

I think if I was rolling with no lock screen I'd be really tempted to switch to Touch ID as you basically hit the power button anyways and just hold your finger on the button for another moment. Would be better than nothing at all, IMO. But the problem there is that only the SGS4 has a physical button on the face that acts as a power on switch so it's not really going to be a viable option for those Android devices makers that shun physical buttons from the face. I wonder if we'll see them make a come back in the next year or so.