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Talk about breaking with the party line. Is he really that in the hole with Angle?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10994421
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10994421
Lol, Reid's getting desparate. Speaks out against Ground Zero Mosque
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Brainonska511
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Perhaps, but like many of us, maybe the idea of a Mosque so close to the site where Saudi Islamic terrorists killed 2700 people doesn't sit well with him. Sorry, but the wounds are still fresh, which is what I hope the muslim supporters of this project will come to realize and choose an alternate location or just simply wait until this country has healed more.
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He is, but last I checked his seat and position as Majority Leader is in jeopardy. He is also a career politician. This close to an election, are you telling me such a person is saying something that isn't politically motivated? Sounds like he doesn't have enough support among the Democrats to win, so he's attempting to pander to the right.
Brainonska511
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Maybe. But the people that make up a political party are not monolithic in their ideas.
Brainonska511
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I wouldn't say 'well ahead,' but he is ahead based on the latest polls: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/nv/nevada_senate_angle_vs_reid-1517.html
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?? He's a democrat. He isn't allowed to think or have an opinion of his own. You think he would just come out and break rank and start thinking on his own "all of a sudden"?
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He also had a large lead in fundraising, and all the momentum is going his way.
I don't even like Reid, but I just can't see him losing this one.
Yeh, 9/11 is still an issue, because repubs won't let it die. they use it to divert attention from their own incompetence and failures. It's called "waving the bloody shirt", something repubs did with great vigor in the aftermath of the civil war.
Where's Rudi, anyway, Mr 9/11 himself?
Angle isn't going to beat him- she has no platform, no pitch, no money and she won't answer questions- she's just not Harry Reid, so it seems unlikely that fact alone will carry her to victory.
It's inexplicable that Harry would voice this opinion right now- maybe he's trying to create some separation between himself and Obama, even though he really doesn't need it. Insurance, I guess...
Where's Rudi, anyway, Mr 9/11 himself?
Angle isn't going to beat him- she has no platform, no pitch, no money and she won't answer questions- she's just not Harry Reid, so it seems unlikely that fact alone will carry her to victory.
It's inexplicable that Harry would voice this opinion right now- maybe he's trying to create some separation between himself and Obama, even though he really doesn't need it. Insurance, I guess...
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That's funny. In the other thread everyone that's against it is a bigoted, immoral, unAmerican asshole, oh what, forgot this is the thread for the democrats that are against it, the other is the one for the republicans.
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How many innocent (we were the invaders.. remember?) people have we killed in Iraq over the last 8-9 years?
Oh wait.. first you probably need to answer how many of the 911 killers were Iraqis vs Saudis .. oh.. none were Iraqis? Iraq didn't have anything to do with 911? OH SNAP!.. So then how many have we killed in Iraq in the last ten years and for what good? look at how many are dead and their whole country .. more of a shit hole than ever ever before -- most secure area in the war gets car bombing often..
keep blaming the other side and never look in the middle .. see where it gets you
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Haha, you would know the middle if it ripped your heart out and ate it in front of you while it was still beating.
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You better tell that to the majority of Democrats that oppose the construction of the mosque.
I don't want to distract you from your fantasy, though.
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Do you guys think it's a sign of a healthy democracy when Republicans try to make location of a mosque in NYC an issue in the race for Senate seat in Nevada? Too bad for them Harry Reid is a boxer, he knows he's ahead on points, now he just gotta stay close to Angle to keep her from landing any punches and its in the bag.
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This seems the most likely answer. Running against Obama in a gentle but principled way got Arlen Spector retired....
In regards to the opposition of the Mosque he will alienate the rational voter but with the constituency the way it is in Nevada this does play to its religious voters who far outnumber the sane people who are not sane enough to want to live elsewhere.
I suspect Reid is doing what's fitting the voters' interests - they are interested in the Mosque and oppose it, his opponent could use it to get votes as I described in the other thread he's nullifying that at least somewhat coming out with opposing the Mosque there as his opinion.
There are two main possibilities, the above or that this is his actual opinion.
If he's doing this politically, I have some sympathy for him as a politicians on it; the blame is shared by the votes who push this view on to the candidates.
However, it's in stark contrast to Obama's leadership - it's the 'pandering to the crowd' I described earlier. He's throwing the Muslims and values under the bus.
If it's his actual opinion, it's worse. In that case he fits the description I posted in the other thread of people who are misguidedly blaming the wrong people.
As far as the election though, between him and his opponent, there's no comparison.
He's a far better pick.
The elections should be about the 'real issues', but voters' eyes glaze over at the ins and outs of the things like corporate favoritism.
Instead, shallow issues grab their attention and the election is based on nonsense and things like 'identity politics' largely, not rational.
Republicans seem to have hurt themselves putting up a kook here. Thank goodness she is behind. They have no one to blame but themselves for the mess.
There are two main possibilities, the above or that this is his actual opinion.
If he's doing this politically, I have some sympathy for him as a politicians on it; the blame is shared by the votes who push this view on to the candidates.
However, it's in stark contrast to Obama's leadership - it's the 'pandering to the crowd' I described earlier. He's throwing the Muslims and values under the bus.
If it's his actual opinion, it's worse. In that case he fits the description I posted in the other thread of people who are misguidedly blaming the wrong people.
As far as the election though, between him and his opponent, there's no comparison.
He's a far better pick.
The elections should be about the 'real issues', but voters' eyes glaze over at the ins and outs of the things like corporate favoritism.
Instead, shallow issues grab their attention and the election is based on nonsense and things like 'identity politics' largely, not rational.
Republicans seem to have hurt themselves putting up a kook here. Thank goodness she is behind. They have no one to blame but themselves for the mess.
Heh. Waving the bloody shirt worked in 1872, and it still works today. At least that's what you just said...
The relative merits of the mosque location are immaterial, really, in any other context...
Yeh, 2700 people died in the attack on the WTC, and GWB inc. let the perps escape from Tora Bora, apparently so that the boogeyman would live on, and on, and on....
Too bad that repubs can't just spin up the terrar alert color wheel the way they did for every election while GWB was in the Whitehouse, huh? Waving the bloody shirt and official fearmongering... now there's a winning combination...
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Bigoted, immoral, American assholes make up a huge percentage of voters. They are the Republican base. Reid has to curry some favor with them to keep them from coming to the poles to throw out a Muslim lover. Republicans live in the sewer so in order to win, you have to go into the sewer. This is why even Democrats are shit. Harry Reid is a worthless piece of scum, in my opinion. I didn't post in the other thread. It's a given that Republicans are scum.
It seems intellectually dishonest to pretend that the "war on terror" is not a fight with Islam. You can't fight terror because terror is just a means to an end. The end is the defense and spread of Islam. The USA is fighting radical Islam, whether it should be or not is a different question.
There's nothing anyone can do to stop this construction under the constitution. But only bleeding hearts like moonbeam are going to take issue with someone saying they would prefer if it was built elsewhere. Its like the German trying to build a monument to German nationalism outside of Auschwitz. It's just tacky and unecessary.
There's nothing anyone can do to stop this construction under the constitution. But only bleeding hearts like moonbeam are going to take issue with someone saying they would prefer if it was built elsewhere. Its like the German trying to build a monument to German nationalism outside of Auschwitz. It's just tacky and unecessary.
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