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[OutHouse]

Talk radio has been all over this. I am totally against it and have not heard not one single reason on why this is a good thing to do for our country or laws.

one thing i dont understand is that we are fingerprinting everybody traveling legally into this country, breaking no laws, but Bush is now going to grant amesesty to 4+ million illegals, give them no screening process to root out the criminals or people carring diseases?

Totally wrong in my book.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
This is only about cheap labor. Bush is bringing it here so companies won't have to outsource to Mexico. Of course, that is better than outsourcing to Mexico, but not by much. More companies will be using this cheap labor that otherwise would not have, these jobs will go to Mexicans instead of Americans, the Mexicans will do everything they can to horde as much money thay can then take it all back home with them to Mexico. They will live 10 to a house, use 5 to a car, and they don't use banks or credit cards. All these huge negatives are going to outweigh the (only) benefit of 'cheaper consumer goods' (really a BS argument, how much cheaper are the goods you buy because of NAFTA and outsourcing and the immigrants that are already here?). Lower-class America is going to get screwed HARD from this. I live in NC, lots of lower-class labor types and lots of Mexican immigrants, and I've seen the effect this situation (and NAFTA, it has destroyed our textile industry) has had here.

Excellent points. Prices of goods & products are more expensive today than before NAFTA.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: razor2025
My family and I were recent immigrant who had just gotten our citizenship. Bush's proposal basically means that we had WASTED TONS of money, time, patience, and hardwork to EARN our legal status. This is utter complete BS. So what's the point of coming to US legally? Instead of paying tons of money, working hard, and waiting patiently for Greencard (and then the Citizenship), why not just enter US illegally, pick up a Amnesty application, pay a few hundred bucks, and get the same benefits as entering legally w/o having to go through the trouble of doing it legally?

The extreme radiation of the monitor is frying your brain... if you ever had one!

The proposal made by Fox and now endorsed by Bush talks about LEGAL temporary worker status....... Obviously, you are talking with jealousy......

Dude its Amnesty for the illegals, there is nothing temporary about it.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: razor2025
My family and I were recent immigrant who had just gotten our citizenship. Bush's proposal basically means that we had WASTED TONS of money, time, patience, and hardwork to EARN our legal status. This is utter complete BS. So what's the point of coming to US legally? Instead of paying tons of money, working hard, and waiting patiently for Greencard (and then the Citizenship), why not just enter US illegally, pick up a Amnesty application, pay a few hundred bucks, and get the same benefits as entering legally w/o having to go through the trouble of doing it legally?

The extreme radiation of the monitor is frying your brain... if you ever had one!

The proposal made by Fox and now endorsed by Bush talks about LEGAL temporary worker status....... Obviously, you are talking with jealousy......

Dude its Amnesty for the illegals, there is nothing temporary about it.

Have you read the original proposal by Fox in the native language? Or do you know the very specific details.....? I see you haven't.

 

[OutHouse]

I dont give a crap what Fox said in spanish. Dont be a tool, This is bush's way, the political way, so as not to inflame the whole country that he is really granting amnesty to all the mexican illegals.

If you want to educate yourself and learn the FACTS about this and click on Talking Points with Bill O'Reily on the bottom right.

 

[DealMonkey]

Hell, even Hannity is against Bush's immigration policy. I heard him on the radio yesterday. He was very calm and collected as he said very simply: "You know, people think I never criticize the president, well I'm not very happy with this immigration policy." AND THAT WAS IT. Hannity immediately moved on to something the democrats were doing that pissed him off and his voice got all squeaky and agitated. Angry Republicans are so funny.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: Citrix
I dont give a crap what Fox said in spanish. Dont be a tool, This is bush's way, the political way, so as not to inflame the whole country that he is really granting amnesty to all the mexican illegals.

No, I am not a tool. If the retarded Bush wants to lie to the people in the USA again about his true motives..... well, that is up to you under his mandate. He is claiming "ownership" of something that he blatantly DENIED and REFUSED to talk about..... then, election year comes, and he finds a way to appeal to another sector of people, not to mention the attempt to fix a very strained relationship with us.... :|
Bring Clinton back, we like to negotiate with RATIONAL people, not survivors of the last glaciar age!

And yes, you should care about what was said in the original language... that is why the people in your country are so easy to manipulate..... People are ignorant of the roots of some events, and then they can accept whatever they watch on TV..... In some cases it is not even intentional, just happens because the reporter "proefficient" in the foreign language understood something different......

 

[OutHouse]

The American people are not going to stand for this, and once our house reps and senators start to feel the wrath of their constituents it wont get through the house or senate. Unlike your country we have a system that works when enough people get involved, and unlike your government that is so full of rife and corruption that your system doesn?t work. Also who cares if we have a "strained" relation with Mexico? what are you going to do invade the US? put sanctions on the US? Blockade our ports? Please you have enough to worry about besides worrying about the millions of people who FLED your country because your country can not support them.

For knowing what Fox said in his language, well I for one do trust what some reporter on the news said about it. for one there are thousands of independent news papers, TV stations, Radio stations who?s contents are not controlled by our government. So WE have quite a selection to choose from to get accurate news

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Citrix
The American people are not going to stand for this, and once our house reps and senators start to feel the wrath of their constituents it wont get through the house or senate. Unlike your country we have a system that works when enough people get involved, and unlike your government that is so full of rife and corruption that your system doesn?t work. Also who cares if we have a "strained" relation with Mexico? what are you going to do invade the US? put sanctions on the US? Blockade our ports? Please you have enough to worry about besides worrying about the millions of people who FLED your country because your country can not support them.

For knowing what Fox said in his language, well I for one do trust what some reporter on the news said about it. for one there are thousands of independent news papers, TV stations, Radio stations who?s contents are not controlled by our government. So WE have quite a selection to choose from to get accurate news

What are you talking about Citrix, Americans are thrilled with growing the population with our new Southern Citizens from that State south of Texas that is even bigger than Texas. Texas will have to give up that "Everything is bigger in Texas" moniker and hand it over to the State of Mexico.

1-8-2004 Bush immigration plan earns praise from local Hall County Georgia Hispanic Leaders

Several North Georgia business and civic leaders praised President's Bush's plan Wednesday to grant legal status to millions of undocumented workers in the United States.

They also predicted a boost to the economy by meeting employers' need for willing low-wage workers.

Bill Roa, chairman of the newly formed Hispanic Contractors Association of Georgia, echoed Corso's views.

He noted that the Bush plan would help to erase the stigma that comes with being illegal.

Georgia had the nation's fastest-growing Latino population in 2002.

Fieldale Farms is one of several major poultry processing firms located in North Georgia. It also is one of the region's largest employers. Latinos make up about 60 percent of the company's 4,500-person work force at its plants and hatcheries in Gainesville, Cornelia and Murrayville, said Tom Hensley, a vice president at the Baldwin-based firm.

"A lot of these people come here to work for a living as well as contribute to our economy, and I think it's only fair that they be given legal status," he said.

Such contributions already are evident along a two-mile stretch of a bustling commercial corridor, from Jesse Jewell Parkway to the north to Memorial Park Road to the south.

At least 50 Latino-owned businesses such as restaurants, supermarkets, travel agencies, hair salons and coin-operated laundries dot the landscape.

 

[OutHouse]

^^^ nice

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: CitrixUnlike your country we have a system that works when enough people get involved, and unlike your government that is so full of rife and corruption that your system doesn?t work.

This reflects exactly what I meant...... those who think they are "perfect" give the prime example that they are not.... Lying to the people to invade a sovereign country in order to grant contracts to the goverment friends is not corruption? All those stealing millions in the corporate scandals are not corrupt? All those participants in a stolen election are not corrupt...?

Get real, the only difference in corruption between your country and mine is that high profile corruption is a perfected art in yours, and the low profile corruption is not visible.....

Besides, how do you know our system doesn't work? A typical post from the ignorant beloved patriot that has watched too much TV.....

What are your sources to talk about our goverment? A retarded journalist that doesn't even speak Spanish properly? All the ones who are exiled and say it is bad because they lacked the talent to survive in a harder environment and chased the land of the easy money..... ? The TV shows? The "pochos and chicanos" who have never been in the country, but know it is "bad" because their parent left? We are also a republic, and when the legislative bodies oppose something, it won't pass. Oh yeah, you believe a taco is a crappy shell filled with nasty yellow cheese, that 5 de mayo is the most important date for Mexico and that Mexico has one of the lowest GDP in the world.....

Yeah, that gives you enough authority to talk about us..... Start reading SERIOUS sources about a country and then you can talk!

Also who cares if we have a "strained" relation with Mexico? what are you going to do invade the US? put sanctions on the US? Blockade our ports?

The typical attitude of "we are stronger, we do whatever we want..." Stronger doesn't mean RIGHT! Great way to show you believe in "freedom" and respect...... But if you ask, a good measure would be to ask for VISAS, criminal records and fees to enter our country, so all those drugies and pedophiles that come "on spring break" stay out.....

Please you have enough to worry about besides worrying about the millions of people who FLED your country because your country can not support them.

We are, part of that obligations of a goverment is to watch for its citizens, even those ABROAD. Part of the road to change and making things better is knowing when something can be improved.... But for those who live in "perfectland"
there is no answer....

For knowing what Fox said in his language, well I for one do trust what some reporter on the news said about it. for one there are thousands of independent news papers, TV stations, Radio stations who?s contents are not controlled by our government. So WE have quite a selection to choose from to get accurate news

Attention here, I didn't say they are biased, they are plainly INCOMPETENT...... Get WHATEVER document or news you want and I could point all the errors..... Well, you don't have too much choice, for someone who barely speaks ONLY one language there is not much to do..... limited vision, limited reach.....

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: razor2025
dmcowen674, at the rate we're going, we might as well call Georgia, Mexicana. Doraville will be named Mexicanville, and our lovely Buford/Norcross/Duluth area, Hispanic Town. Soon, the school system will be forced to teach Spanish as primary language and all other subjects will be thaught in Spanish. It's already bad enough down here, now Mr. Bush would love to welcome even MORE Hispanics to live in our lovely southern state.

My family and I were recent immigrant who had just gotten our citizenship. Bush's proposal basically means that we had WASTED TONS of money, time, patience, and hardwork to EARN our legal status. This is utter complete BS. So what's the point of coming to US legally? Instead of paying tons of money, working hard, and waiting patiently for Greencard (and then the Citizenship), why not just enter US illegally, pick up a Amnesty application, pay a few hundred bucks, and get the same benefits as entering legally w/o having to go through the trouble of doing it legally?

Even the conservative (who I like to label them as "cheap-labor republicans") can easily see the stupidity of this proposal. I seriously hope that Congress will shoot this thing down.

Hey razor,

The very same Political and Business Leaders praising the Bush Policy also wonder how the local infrastructure will hold up to the influx increasing beyond what is already coming in everyday:

1-8-2004 County leaders wonder if area is ready for influx

Officials with Hall County government and the area's largest employer were mulling the impact President Bush's immigration proposal could have on the area.

But in an area that already boasts a large Hispanic population, it was not clear what, if any, effect the proposal could have on Hall if congress approved it.

Hall County Sheriff Steve Cronic said that any time there is an increase in population, regardless of ethnic background, public safety services are drained.

"With that comes added challenges that are associated with law enforcement: language barriers, levels of trust," he said. "Recruiting Hispanic officers has been tough, but we will continue to do so."

"I don't know if we have the jobs or not," Commissioner Steve Gailey said of the plan. "For the first thing, I don't think we have the infrastructure to handle it. It's nothing against Hispanics. We're just pretty overwhelmed."
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We can't be "overwhelmed" and hiring Spanish Police Officers like crazy, the AT experts say that isn't so.
What's the matter with these Officials, things are great and getting even better everyday, just ask CAD.

 

[razor2025]

Hey razor,

The very same Political and Business Leaders praising the Bush Policy also wonder how the local infrastructure will hold up to the influx increasing beyond what is already coming in everyday:

1-8-2004 County leaders wonder if area is ready for influx

Officials with Hall County government and the area's largest employer were mulling the impact President Bush's immigration proposal could have on the area.

But in an area that already boasts a large Hispanic population, it was not clear what, if any, effect the proposal could have on Hall if congress approved it.

Hall County Sheriff Steve Cronic said that any time there is an increase in population, regardless of ethnic background, public safety services are drained.

"With that comes added challenges that are associated with law enforcement: language barriers, levels of trust," he said. "Recruiting Hispanic officers has been tough, but we will continue to do so."

"I don't know if we have the jobs or not," Commissioner Steve Gailey said of the plan. "For the first thing, I don't think we have the infrastructure to handle it. It's nothing against Hispanics. We're just pretty overwhelmed."
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We can't be "overwhelmed" and hiring Spanish Police Officers like crazy, the AT experts say that isn't so.
What's the matter with these Officials, things are great and getting even better everyday, just ask CAD.

That's exactly my point. The problem with influx with Illegal immigrants and Hispanic population (in GA) are deterimental to our already failing infrastructure. According to Bush's great plan, the illegal's kids are able to enter and use our over-stretched education system. Have you look at some of the schools around Metro Atlanta? There is overwhelming amount of Hispanics in those schools and it's not helping other kids academically. The schools has to divert precious resource to train these new "legal" kids how to speak English before they can even start teaching them basic math, science, and social studies. Our wise Governor Perdue has already cut school spending, now our wise President wants to stretch the resources even further...

P.S., Gwinnett County school system (the one I am at) has some of the stupidest decision-making people ever.... We had cut the vouchers for AP students and instead spend the precious money upon buying brand new set of IBM Centrino Laptops + Lexmark Printers for the Special Ed. Teachers.... The funny thing is, the school's technology coordinator (who I do a Directed Studies program with) is ordered to disable ALL of the WiFi features of the laptop. WTF? Are they stupid? They're going to spend $1000+ / unit on laptops and disable the single most important feature (to me, the ONLY feature that justified the cost). Also, the reasoning is rather infuriating to me. As I'm currently taking 4 AP exams, without the vouchers, I'll have to eat $300+ on testing fees. Basically, the school system is saying F*ck you to the only students who can get them national recognition and a chance to raise their low academic ranking and dump those funding in one of the most stupidest way possible.....

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: Citrix
I dont give a crap what Fox said in spanish. Dont be a tool, This is bush's way, the political way, so as not to inflame the whole country that he is really granting amnesty to all the mexican illegals.

No, I am not a tool. If the retarded Bush wants to lie to the people in the USA again about his true motives..... well, that is up to you under his mandate. He is claiming "ownership" of something that he blatantly DENIED and REFUSED to talk about..... then, election year comes, and he finds a way to appeal to another sector of people, not to mention the attempt to fix a very strained relationship with us.... :|
Bring Clinton back, we like to negotiate with RATIONAL people, not survivors of the last glaciar age!

And yes, you should care about what was said in the original language... that is why the people in your country are so easy to manipulate..... People are ignorant of the roots of some events, and then they can accept whatever they watch on TV..... In some cases it is not even intentional, just happens because the reporter "proefficient" in the foreign language understood something different......

You just do not get it.. do you??

Why should Mexicans receive special status in our immigration policy? Fox needs to worry about WHY SO MANY PEOPLE LEAVE HIS COUNTRY ....

If Fox would spend as much time WORRYING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MEXICO and stay the fvck out of our affairs then maybe THEY WOULDN'T BE LEAVING MEXICO IN THE FIRST PLACE

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: Citrix
I dont give a crap what Fox said in spanish. Dont be a tool, This is bush's way, the political way, so as not to inflame the whole country that he is really granting amnesty to all the mexican illegals.

No, I am not a tool. If the retarded Bush wants to lie to the people in the USA again about his true motives..... well, that is up to you under his mandate. He is claiming "ownership" of something that he blatantly DENIED and REFUSED to talk about..... then, election year comes, and he finds a way to appeal to another sector of people, not to mention the attempt to fix a very strained relationship with us.... :|
Bring Clinton back, we like to negotiate with RATIONAL people, not survivors of the last glaciar age!

And yes, you should care about what was said in the original language... that is why the people in your country are so easy to manipulate..... People are ignorant of the roots of some events, and then they can accept whatever they watch on TV..... In some cases it is not even intentional, just happens because the reporter "proefficient" in the foreign language understood something different......

You just do not get it.. do you??

Why should Mexicans receive special status in our immigration policy? Fox needs to worry about WHY SO MANY PEOPLE LEAVE HIS COUNTRY ....

If Fox would spend as much time WORRYING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MEXICO and stay the fvck out of our affairs then maybe THEY WOULDN'T BE LEAVING MEXICO IN THE FIRST PLACE

Mexico has major political problems, until those are solved we will have a illegal immigration problem.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: Citrix
I dont give a crap what Fox said in spanish. Dont be a tool, This is bush's way, the political way, so as not to inflame the whole country that he is really granting amnesty to all the mexican illegals.

No, I am not a tool. If the retarded Bush wants to lie to the people in the USA again about his true motives..... well, that is up to you under his mandate. He is claiming "ownership" of something that he blatantly DENIED and REFUSED to talk about..... then, election year comes, and he finds a way to appeal to another sector of people, not to mention the attempt to fix a very strained relationship with us.... :|
Bring Clinton back, we like to negotiate with RATIONAL people, not survivors of the last glaciar age!

And yes, you should care about what was said in the original language... that is why the people in your country are so easy to manipulate..... People are ignorant of the roots of some events, and then they can accept whatever they watch on TV..... In some cases it is not even intentional, just happens because the reporter "proefficient" in the foreign language understood something different......

You just do not get it.. do you??

Why should Mexicans receive special status in our immigration policy? Fox needs to worry about WHY SO MANY PEOPLE LEAVE HIS COUNTRY ....

If Fox would spend as much time WORRYING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MEXICO and stay the fvck out of our affairs then maybe THEY WOULDN'T BE LEAVING MEXICO IN THE FIRST PLACE

Mexico has major political problems, until those are solved we will have a illegal immigration problem.

So when is Senor Bush going to fix the root of our immigraton problems? Mexico is not the root of our problems

PEOPLE WHO EMPLOY illegals are the problem
People who help illegals enter this country are the problem
lack of funding for INS is a problem
Spending $150,000,000,000 in Iraq was irresponsible too.
Buying goods from China is a huge problem.. we need to invest in Mexico...not China....
Reagan did this same sh!t and it never helped anything .. only made it worse..

This is a slap in the face to every law abiding immigrant or potential immigrant.

You know how hard it is to get into this country through legal means, right? Then why do we reward those who did it illegally and make it harder for those wishing to get here via legal-respectable-honorable-honest methods

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: Citrix
I dont give a crap what Fox said in spanish. Dont be a tool, This is bush's way, the political way, so as not to inflame the whole country that he is really granting amnesty to all the mexican illegals.

No, I am not a tool. If the retarded Bush wants to lie to the people in the USA again about his true motives..... well, that is up to you under his mandate. He is claiming "ownership" of something that he blatantly DENIED and REFUSED to talk about..... then, election year comes, and he finds a way to appeal to another sector of people, not to mention the attempt to fix a very strained relationship with us.... :|
Bring Clinton back, we like to negotiate with RATIONAL people, not survivors of the last glaciar age!

And yes, you should care about what was said in the original language... that is why the people in your country are so easy to manipulate..... People are ignorant of the roots of some events, and then they can accept whatever they watch on TV..... In some cases it is not even intentional, just happens because the reporter "proefficient" in the foreign language understood something different......

You just do not get it.. do you??

Why should Mexicans receive special status in our immigration policy? Fox needs to worry about WHY SO MANY PEOPLE LEAVE HIS COUNTRY ....

If Fox would spend as much time WORRYING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MEXICO and stay the fvck out of our affairs then maybe THEY WOULDN'T BE LEAVING MEXICO IN THE FIRST PLACE

1-8-2004 Fox Praises Bush's U.S. Immigration Plan

MEXICO CITY - President Vicente Fox on Thursday praised the immigration reform proposed by President Bush and claimed it as an achievement for his own administration.

But Fox and other Mexican officials indicated the new American proposal did not meet all their goals. "We're going for more. We're going for more," he told reporters during a visit to a shelter for street children.

Fox has repeatedly urged Bush to legalize the millions of Mexicans who cross the border illegally to work in the United States. The money they send home is Mexico's second-largest source of foreign income, behind oil.

Fox said the immigration proposal "is a great step forward. It is an achievement of the measures we have been taking during these three years" since taking office in 2000.

During his speech at the shelter on Thursday, Fox said the Bush proposal "is the response to the effort and work that we as a government have carried out to defend the human rights, the labor rights, the rights of citizens of our compatriots."
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So now we can move the shelters north here.

 

[peonyu]

posted this in another thread, it belongs here to.



Bush needs to GO. Hes the definition of the word 'hypocrite'.

We have soldiers TODAY fighting in Iraq on Bush's orders supposedly to 'protect' the constitution and give freedom, and yet, what good is it to be a soldier trying to defend the Constitution and our laws if Congress won't?

Hypocrite.

 

[peonyu]

To be fair to the mexicans illegal or otherwise - This proposal sounds like slavery, or endentured servitude.

 

[peonyu]

Heres the Drivers license's that Illegals will get :

viva la license

 

[Rmex]

As I said before, there is nothing at all wrong with this policy.
America is stolen land, it belongs to no one except for Native americans, and mexicans are predominantly native american so we have a right to this land and you dont. The only land that the majority of americans [whites] have a right to is Europe since thats your native land, which Europe btw has its own share of illegals like arabs so maybe you should be more worried about that...
But america is native americans native land so mexicans have a right to live here if we want to. Besides, we built the south west and the foundation that modern america was built upon [los angles, San francsico etc] before it was stolen in the american-mexican war.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Rmex
As I said before, there is nothing at all wrong with this policy.
America is stolen land, it belongs to no one except for Native americans, and mexicans are predominantly native american so we have a right to this land and you dont. The only land that the majority of americans [whites] have a right to is Europe since thats your native land, which Europe btw has its own share of illegals like arabs so maybe you should be more worried about that...
But america is native americans native land so mexicans have a right to live here if we want to. Besides, we built the south west and the foundation that modern america was built upon [los angles, San francsico etc] before it was stolen in the american-mexican war.

Mixtecs/Aztecs built trolley cars and skyscrapers?

Everything y'all built was made out of clay, right?

How many years ago did all of this happen?

Should I file a lawsuit against Egypt since they enslaved my gentile ancestors?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: peonyu
Heres the Drivers license's that Illegals will get :

viva la license

They have to Update the Class. Not Illegal Alien anymore, Officially 3 Year Temporary Citizen

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Rmex
As I said before, there is nothing at all wrong with this policy.
America is stolen land, it belongs to no one except for Native americans, and mexicans are predominantly native american so we have a right to this land and you dont. The only land that the majority of americans [whites] have a right to is Europe since thats your native land, which Europe btw has its own share of illegals like arabs so maybe you should be more worried about that...
But america is native americans native land so mexicans have a right to live here if we want to. Besides, we built the south west and the foundation that modern america was built upon [los angles, San francsico etc] before it was stolen in the american-mexican war.

Right!!! Like you guys didn't steal anything from the Indians yourselves. Oh that's right, you guys are products of Spaniards raping Indians so that makes your crimes acceptable!

I don't think the Zapatistas would agree with you!

 

[dmcowen674]

1-9-2004 Immigrants in Hall Georgia area back Bush proposal

"I don't understand why anyone would be against this proposal," he said. "(Immigrants) are very good, hard-working people. Without them, Gainesville could not have grown to what it is today."

"I think it's a statesmanlike thing to do," she said. "The U.S. is strong and big and rich enough that it can afford to make this friendly gesture to other countries."

Delgado believes the policy could also help the nation stay competitive in the international market. Two million jobs have vanished since Bush took office, in part because companies are relocating to countries where they can operate more cheaply.

"Immigrants can stop the exodus of jobs overseas by providing an affordable source of labor," he said. "Yes, employers will no longer be able to treat immigrants like slaves. They will have to pay minimum wage. But even minimum wage is wealthy to these people compared to where they came from."

Many Hispanics in the United States can't vote because they aren't citizens. But Franklin points out that the presidential election is decided by the electoral college, not by individual voters.

"Hispanics are geographically concentrated in five states where their votes could tip the balance: California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado," he said.

"Bush will lose the labor unions because of this proposal, but they weren't going to vote for him anyway. And conservatives who are vehemently anti-immigration won't like it, but who else are they going to vote for?"
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He forgot the State he moved into Georgia, make that Six States at least.