Logitech® MX? 610 Cordless Laser Mouse27.99 AR

[djdawn]

For those that are inerested with this mouse, here is the same one on sale for a bit cheaper on newegg for 22.89 AR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826104196

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: BadThad

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: BadThad

Originally posted by: AntiStatic
good gaming mice have cords. wireless is fine for office apps but too laggy for good FPS gaming.

Well, I've been gaming with my cordless MX700 for a couple of years now, it has ZERO lag. Better do some reading before you make posts next time.

You really must be BadThad in FPS games then, because I own a MX700 and simply cannot game correctly with it. I went out and got a Razer Diamondback so I could just use the MX with my lappy and the different for me was night and day. ZERO lag my ass, you might be content with the slow response during strategy games, but play me in a FPS DM Instagib where accuracy is a necessity and we'll see.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

All I play is FPS games! Come to our CODX server and I'll hand your ass to you on a plate my friend. Just for your reference, with my horrible MX700, I'm regarded as the #1 player in the community. PM me for the IP if you'd like a lesson. :disgust:

I'm so happy you're regarded as #1 in your little community there, I don't even know what game you're talking about and I don't care, play me in Q3 instagib or shut up.

 

[bitt3n]

cordless mice are much easier to throw across the room when the battery dies during a game.

gg

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: bitt3n
cordless mice are much easier to throw across the room when the battery dies during a game.

gg

rofl

priceless

ggnore

 

[kasia00]

good priceeeee

 

[Garlic]

Originally posted by: Phew
Radio waves, like all electromagnetic radiation, travel at 299,792,458 m/s. Incidentally, that is the same speed that electrical signals travel down a cord. Modern RF mice don't have any more 'lag' than corded mice.

Its pretty clear you're not an electrical engineer like I am.

Corded mice send pulses down a wire instantaneously while wireless mice must first modulate each pulse so that they can be sent through RF and each pulse then must be demodulated at the receiver. This is where lag comes from and it will ALWAYS be there. Period.

Like I said, I don?t care what kind of marketing lingo Logitech or other companies throw at you wireless mice simply are NOT as responsive as corded. Like I said I have used every high end Logitech wireless mouse out there and I switched back to my old corded Microsoft optical mouse. Cored mice are simply superior.

 

[cheap]

Originally posted by: Garlic
Corded mice send pulses down a wire instantaneously while wireless mice must first modulate each pulse so that they can be sent through RF and each pulse then must be demodulated at the receiver. This is where lag comes from and it will ALWAYS be there. Period.

Have there been any improvements with this RF modulation? I would imagine with time electronics would get so fast that this conversion time would probably be close to nil.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: Garlic

Originally posted by: Phew
Radio waves, like all electromagnetic radiation, travel at 299,792,458 m/s. Incidentally, that is the same speed that electrical signals travel down a cord. Modern RF mice don't have any more 'lag' than corded mice.

Its pretty clear you're not an electrical engineer like I am.

Corded mice send pulses down a wire instantaneously while wireless mice must first modulate each pulse so that they can be sent through RF and each pulse then must be demodulated at the receiver. This is where lag comes from and it will ALWAYS be there. Period.

Like I said, I don?t care what kind of marketing lingo Logitech or other companies throw at you wireless mice simply are NOT as responsive as corded. Like I said I have used every high end Logitech wireless mouse out there and I switched back to my old corded Microsoft optical mouse. Cored mice are simply superior.

Yes, because being a member of a certain profession means you know everything about it.
Like I said, I have a cordless mx1000, and a corded mx518. If anything, my mx1000 is actually more responsive.

 

[Garlic]

Nope. Even a regular microsoft optical corded mouse beats the MX1000. Ive used the MX1000 for about 5 weeks and when I went back to corded I was amazed how much responsive and accurate the corded was. I sold the mx1000 on ebay the next day.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: BadThad

Originally posted by: AntiStatic
good gaming mice have cords. wireless is fine for office apps but too laggy for good FPS gaming.

Well, I've been gaming with my cordless MX700 for a couple of years now, it has ZERO lag. Better do some reading before you make posts next time.

You're full of crap. I own the MX700 and it lags.
If you dont notice it, you're not a gamer at all.

Try using a MX510/520 then the MX700. The difference is night and day.

 

[diablo900t]

I bought the 610 on Amazon a couple weeks ago. I'm not happy at all, this thing seems to thrive on interference, the pointer jumps all over the place when i'm using it, sometimes it won't even respond at all.

I've even seen times where the "sleep" light keeps turning on and off (meaning that there is supposed PC activity) even when the machine is not turned on.

I've got an MX700 on my other desktop which works fine with no issues.

 

[xnguyenx]

I have used many cordless or corded mouse. But I must say overall corded mouse is a bit better. Just because it is more stable.

The reson i'm saying this is because cordless mouse depend on too many factors 2 make it as good as corded mouse like fully charged batteries, no interferences, distance between both the receivers and etc... On the other hand the corded mouse you just plugged in and you all set.

And of course with cordless mouse you have better freedom to move around with it. But who cares when it come to play game.

 

[Phew]

Originally posted by: Garlic
Its pretty clear you're not an electrical engineer like I am.

Corded mice send pulses down a wire instantaneously while wireless mice must first modulate each pulse so that they can be sent through RF and each pulse then must be demodulated at the receiver. This is where lag comes from and it will ALWAYS be there. Period.

Like I said, I don?t care what kind of marketing lingo Logitech or other companies throw at you wireless mice simply are NOT as responsive as corded. Like I said I have used every high end Logitech wireless mouse out there and I switched back to my old corded Microsoft optical mouse. Cored mice are simply superior.

It's not like the mouse is transmitting the National Archives every time you move it. It's sending dX and dY ~500 times per second. Depending on number format, that's like 16-32 kbps. That's less bandwidth than modems from a decade ago; I think they've refined wireless technology enough that they can send 32kbps with minimal latency, considering that modern wireless routers can transmit >100 Mbps with less than 5ms latency.

Those of you that claim to notice <5ms of mouse latency must be the same people that claim 80Hz of video refresh is 'too slow' and that you need 100+Hz. If your reaction time is that good, you shouldn't be sitting in front of a computer playing games, you need to be running the 100m for an Olympic track team or something.

Take one of THESE reaction speed tests, and if you score <25ms, then post a screenshot and I will believe your claims that modern wireless mice are 'laggy'. Heck, if you consistently score <100ms, you have amazing reflexes and probably can make some money in CPL competitions.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: Garlic
Nope. Even a regular microsoft optical corded mouse beats the MX1000. Ive used the MX1000 for about 5 weeks and when I went back to corded I was amazed how much responsive and accurate the corded was. I sold the mx1000 on ebay the next day.

Wow, you are so full of it.

 

[diablo900t]

Originally posted by: Phew

Originally posted by: Garlic

Take one of THESE reaction speed tests, and if you score <25ms, then post a screenshot and I will believe your claims that modern wireless mice are 'laggy'. Heck, if you consistently score <100ms, you have amazing reflexes and probably can make some money in CPL competitions.

I'm not arguing either way, I can't tell a difference with my wireless mouse. I can consistently score in the 20s, 23.4 was my average across the 5 tests. So my question is, what are these CPL competitions?

 

[Fingolfin269]

I used a MX700 for 2-3 years and thought it was the greatest thing ever. Then the right button started to suck and I couldn't fix the thing so I had to find a replacement. I couldn't find another one at a B&M store and I couldn't find another cordless with the 'forward/back' side buttons so I ended up going with the MX518.

WOW what a damn difference. Let's just say that I used to feel like several others in this thread about my MX700. That ended the day I plugged in my 518.

 

[xnguyenx]

I got 0.197 as an avg time with the corded logitech 510 mouse of course.

Originally posted by: diablo900t

Originally posted by: Phew

Originally posted by: Garlic

Take one of THESE reaction speed tests, and if you score <25ms, then post a screenshot and I will believe your claims that modern wireless mice are 'laggy'. Heck, if you consistently score <100ms, you have amazing reflexes and probably can make some money in CPL competitions.

I'm not arguing either way, I can't tell a difference with my wireless mouse. I can consistently score in the 20s, 23.4 was my average across the 5 tests. So my question is, what are these CPL competitions?

 

[Phew]

Originally posted by: diablo900t

I'm not arguing either way, I can't tell a difference with my wireless mouse. I can consistently score in the 20s, 23.4 was my average across the 5 tests. So my question is, what are these CPL competitions?

Not to hijack this hot deals thread, but wow! You can consistently get 0.025s and faster? 0.2-0.3s is 'average', 0.1 is extremely good, but 0.02s is flat out phenomenal. CPL=Cyberathlete Professional League. The people that get paid to play video games. You must absolutely dominate at first-person shooters, considering your reaction time is about 10x faster than the average player.

PS-I know you can cheat in the JAVA applet I posted by clicking nonstop: that doesn't count obviously ;-)

 

[thesaint2004]

I can't say anything about this cordless mouse, but in general you get what you pay for when it comes to wireless mice. I've used a lot of different wireless mice of all shapes, sizes, ages, etc. As far as gaming, I have an mxduo and my mx700 will hang with anything out there. I would also like to point out that my friend, who got invited to a national quake III tourny in texas uses the same setup and so do plenty of gamers. Not to mention, Maximum PC did extensive testing themselves and had reputable gamers report their own findings, which brought them to the decision that it was the first and ,might still be, the only gaming worthy cordless mouse. IMHO the only advantage of wired gaming mice is the on-the-fly variable dpi feature that some have. Great for games like BF2 when you switch from a not so accurate tank (where you want low dpi) to using a very accurate sniper rifle where you want to make very precise aiming adjustments(high dpi, the selling point of razor mice)

 

[cheap]

First try I got an average of 202ms reaction time, second try I got 187ms average (lowest one was 172ms) all on corded MX510, I was not using keyboard. Let's see any wireless mouse beat that.

After couple minutes more of playing around with that applet, the lowest average I managed to get was 175ms. I don't think it's accurate since 4 timings were 172ms and one was 187. Java doesn't run very fast in browser.

 

[Garlic]

Its pretty clear wireless mice are inferior to corded.

 

[Stallion72]

clearly you have never gamed with the mx1000. Though most wireless mice are choppy, if your willing to pay for the better ones, it pays off. I dont think i could ever go back to a corded mouse for gaming, and not to claim im hot ******, but i could hold my own with most ppl here in BF2 or COD with my cordless mouse.--also the mx1000 is very big and feels good to grip.