Logic

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Not the universe, exactly, but a good start.

Hehe, I can be picky too. Check out def 9 of world.


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world /w?rld/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[wurld] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

?noun 1. the earth or globe, considered as a planet.
2. (often initial capital letter) a particular division of the earth: the Western world.
3. the earth or a part of it, with its inhabitants, affairs, etc., during a particular period: the ancient world.
4. humankind; the human race; humanity: The world must eliminate war and poverty.
5. the public generally: The whole world knows it.
6. the class of persons devoted to the affairs, interests, or pursuits of this life: The world worships success.
7. a particular class of people, with common interests, aims, etc.: the fashionable world.
8. any sphere, realm, or domain, with all pertaining to it: a child's world; the world of dreams; the insect world.
9. everything that exists; the universe; the macrocosm.
10. any complex whole conceived as resembling the universe: the world of the microcosm.
11. one of the three general groupings of physical nature: animal world; mineral world; vegetable world.
12. any period, state, or sphere of existence: this world; the world to come.
13. Often, worlds. a great deal: That vacation was worlds of fun.
14. any indefinitely great expanse.
15. any heavenly body: the starry worlds.
?Idioms16. bring into the world, a. to give birth to; bear: My grandmother brought nine children into the world.
b. to deliver (a baby): the doctor brought many children into the world.

17. come into the world, to be born: Her first child came into the world in June.
18. for all the world, a. for any consideration, however great: She wouldn't come to visit us for all the world.
b. in every respect; precisely: You look for all the world like my Aunt Mary.

19. in the world, a. at all; ever: I never in the world would have believed such an obvious lie.
b. from among all possibilities: Where in the world did you find that hat?

20. on top of the world. top1 (def. 46).
21. out of this or the world, exceptional; fine: The chef prepared a roast duck that was out of this world.
22. set the world on fire, to achieve great fame and success: He didn't seem to be the type to set the world on fire.
23. think the world of, to like or admire greatly: His coworkers think the world of him.
24. world without end, for all eternity; for always.

My dear Moonie:

Of course "world" can mean something akin to "universe," given the proper context. But I think it's pretty clear that Blake's context in that line from "Auguries of Innocence" is a single world, not the entire cosmos. Let's look at that stanza again (the bolding is mine):

To see a world in a grain of sand
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And eternity in an hour.

Note that Blake uses "a world," not "the world." Clearly, "a world" is a part of something bigger, a something that contains this world, that world, Blake's "world" and every other world. A something that one could fairly refer to as "the universe."

Hehe, yes, but also note that the next two lines flesh out his real intention, that a world is infinity and a heaven is eternity. Infinity, of course, is the universe. Also poetically, it reads better as a world and a heaven, in my opinion, because you can't really say, in the context there, the world and the heaven. But, more importantly, if I may say so, he is talking about exactly that which I have been saying, namely, that there is a kind of awakening that colapses duality and ends time. One becomes the universe and enters the truth, heaven, when the ego disappears. I don't know Blake, but it sure as hell looks to me like, HE KNEW.

Also, since we are going to sever a thread with a sword here, I was referring to my statement, that the universe is contained in a grain of sand. When you said, 'Not the universe, exactly, but a good start.' I thought you were saying you might see a world an a grain of sand but not quite a whole universe whereas that is what Blake and I were both saying.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: GZeus
I can't believe I took the time to read this thread. The pretense of intellect here is enough to make me want to vomit.

Lets see...

We have the deeply religious who want to use the pretense of 'logic' and then discount, and essentially vilify, any belief system which they do not adhere to. Very nice.
There is no faith without love and understanding, and there is no love if you proclaim your faith to be above all others.

We have the deeply self righteous who believe that they alone understand the human condition and they alone have mastered their minds and emotions to a level that elevates them above all others.
Pseudo-philosophical tripe which carries heavy overtones of Scientology. Say 'hi' to TomKat for me.

Your 'discussion' is as much about inflating your own sense of self worth as it is about anything else.

I feel for the few who have taken you to task for your absurdity.

Enjoy yourselves.

You needed to pay more attention to how we see ourselves in others. The story of the three blind men and the elephant might help. And the urge to vomit happens naturally when we move to feeling the truth of our feelings about ourselves. Every feeling of contempt you feel is how you were made to feel about yourself. You are right about how having too much faith in your own opinion leads to too little love. You crap on others because you ego needs its moment in the sun.

 

[Seekermeister]

shira,

I really don't have the patience to read this page of the thread, but I did notice this:

Well, I sort of take back what I just said: In some weird sense, Seekermeister DOES touch a nerve (but not at all in the sense you mean): Seekermeister is so self-satisfied in the pre-packaged vomitus he clings to as truth, that he evades all responsibility for rational thought and discourse. There he sits, a smug little man so utterly clueless that he hasn't a care in the world. How galling that such imbeciles achieve pseudo-Nirvana by flushing the human condition down the toilet, whereas I cannot help but confront my voyage into oblivion.

If you are so certain that you are right, then you should simply ignore anything that I say...it's very simple. However, whether you ignore it or not, I must point out that none of us are mortal. The body is, but we shall never cease to exist, and that existence shall not be oblivion for anyone. You shall be more aware of your existence than ever...for better or worse.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
shira,

I really don't have the patience to read this page of the thread, but I did notice this:

I got that far and decided you shouldn't be the only one without patience. I too am too self important to read what the peons may say.

 

[GZeus]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: GZeus
I can't believe I took the time to read this thread. The pretense of intellect here is enough to make me want to vomit.

Lets see...

We have the deeply religious who want to use the pretense of 'logic' and then discount, and essentially vilify, any belief system which they do not adhere to. Very nice.
There is no faith without love and understanding, and there is no love if you proclaim your faith to be above all others.

We have the deeply self righteous who believe that they alone understand the human condition and they alone have mastered their minds and emotions to a level that elevates them above all others.
Pseudo-philosophical tripe which carries heavy overtones of Scientology. Say 'hi' to TomKat for me.

Your 'discussion' is as much about inflating your own sense of self worth as it is about anything else.

I feel for the few who have taken you to task for your absurdity.

Enjoy yourselves.

You needed to pay more attention to how we see ourselves in others. The story of the three blind men and the elephant might help. And the urge to vomit happens naturally when we move to feeling the truth of our feelings about ourselves. Every feeling of contempt you feel is how you were made to feel about yourself. You are right about how having too much faith in your own opinion leads to too little love. You crap on others because you ego needs its moment in the sun.

Oh please.... stop this pretense of superiority.

You spend numerous hours planning and posting your multi-lined pseudo-intellectual observations/philosophy and then have the self-righteousness to say that I am here for my ego!? How arrogant.

This arrogance is why you are mocked and worthy of derision. The purpose of your posts can have no other reason than to grant your own ego "its moment in the sun" and yet you have the unmitigated arrogance to speak of the ego of others. Laughable.

Everyone is entitled to their own philosophies. If you found personal fulfillment and enlightenment through a particular faith or course of study then I am happy for you.

However, please speak honestly about this philosophy. (The first step in this honesty is to admit its name: Scientology)

Wrap your beliefs in pseudo-intellectual double speak and airs of superiority, and I shall mock you.

You are self contradictory at every turn - especially when you speak of ego. Do not expect your blatant contradictions to be unchallenged. It is your insecurities that cause you label such challenges as "crap".

You are ridiculous but seem unaware of that in your conscious mind.... at least your subconscious chose the correct avatar.

Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[fskimospy]

Finally! Someone feels my pain!

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: GZeus

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: GZeus
I can't believe I took the time to read this thread. The pretense of intellect here is enough to make me want to vomit.

Lets see...

We have the deeply religious who want to use the pretense of 'logic' and then discount, and essentially vilify, any belief system which they do not adhere to. Very nice.
There is no faith without love and understanding, and there is no love if you proclaim your faith to be above all others.

We have the deeply self righteous who believe that they alone understand the human condition and they alone have mastered their minds and emotions to a level that elevates them above all others.
Pseudo-philosophical tripe which carries heavy overtones of Scientology. Say 'hi' to TomKat for me.

Your 'discussion' is as much about inflating your own sense of self worth as it is about anything else.

I feel for the few who have taken you to task for your absurdity.

Enjoy yourselves.

You needed to pay more attention to how we see ourselves in others. The story of the three blind men and the elephant might help. And the urge to vomit happens naturally when we move to feeling the truth of our feelings about ourselves. Every feeling of contempt you feel is how you were made to feel about yourself. You are right about how having too much faith in your own opinion leads to too little love. You crap on others because you ego needs its moment in the sun.

Oh please.... stop this pretense of superiority.

So, are you saying that IF true you'd be inferior in your current state? If this is true and since you recognize superiority then what is it that keeps mankind from achieving this advanced state of mind?

You spend numerous hours planning and posting your multi-lined pseudo-intellectual observations/philosophy and then have the self-righteousness to say that I am here for my ego!? How arrogant.

And the Coast Guard spend hours planning and training to the point of perfection with the goal being to save the drowning from their fate... They are prideful, I'd think... unfounded.. how can anyone else know unless it is THEIR ego in protection mode and that is about as arrogant as the definition allows... me thinks.

This arrogance is why you are mocked and worthy of derision. The purpose of your posts can have no other reason than to grant your own ego "its moment in the sun" and yet you have the unmitigated arrogance to speak of the ego of others. Laughable.

You must speak from on high... you define and evaluate and condem and call others arrogant.. hehehehhehehehe Moonbeam chuckles and says... "sticks and stone may hurt my bones but names will never hurt me"... Ego hates any attempt at it that does not bolster... it will lash out from its Child state and with righteous indignation castigate but yet this does not bother Moonbeam... I wonder why..

Everyone is entitled to their own philosophies. If you found personal fulfillment and enlightenment through a particular faith or course of study then I am happy for you.

Even those that seem arrogantly propounded ... but are not?

However, please speak honestly about this philosophy. (The first step in this honesty is to admit its name: Scientology)

Hehehehehe Do you have something against the Scientologist? Are you superior to them... I'd not know.. I've not the first inkling into their belief system.. OR is there a more significant event going on.... You label Moonster a Scientologist based on his assumed motives... IS that bad? Is it bad to be a Scientologist.. I'd love to know.

Wrap your beliefs in pseudo-intellectual double speak and airs of superiority, and I shall mock you.

You shall mock.. hehehehhehehhehe that is actually funny... sorta like the worm and the elephant... who has the bigger ears.... The worm mocks the elephant's ears while the elephant has not a care in the world about the worm...

You are self contradictory at every turn - especially when you speak of ego. Do not expect your blatant contradictions to be unchallenged. It is your insecurities that cause you label such challenges as "crap".

Of course you have all the requisite qualifications necessary to facilitate that statement.. Moonster identifies from where he is able to comment.. where from can you?

You are ridiculous but seem unaware of that in your conscious mind.... at least your subconscious chose the correct avatar.

Exactly... the clown feels no pain... hehehehe hidden behind the reality you see is the reality you don't see...
Para after para you've spent alot of time in some adventure that hopefully results in a better understanding of the true nature of Thanksgiving...

Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving!

On Donner on Blitzen... oh.. wait... wrong event... that is the one celebrating that guy's birth who caused Constintine to adopt some strange religion in 312 AD... that turned into all manner of branches.. each perfect.... and the truth but each different... and pointing at the others to show this... amazing..

 

[blackllotus]

How are LunarRay and Moonbeam related? Are they the same person?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
How are LunarRay and Moonbeam related? Are they the same person?

Nah... he's the smart one.. I'm the one in search of answers... Like why is there braile on the bank drive up window and its ATM machine... and why do we park on a driveway and drive on a parkway.. and why on earth is the "seeing eye dogs only" sign at dog eye level... at the post office... ok... cuz the blind folks wouldn't be able to read it...

EDIT:... Actually Moonster had to work hard at being free from his Ego... as he has said... Me... I love my Ego... makes me feel so good to know that no matter what I'm right... I'm the best of the best... Even sharing my thoughts in this forum sates my ego... otherwise why would I... having an Ego and all.. I often wonder what motives all the rest of you folks have for posting... must be just like me... well ... not exactly.. if you don't agree.... you'd be wrong.. and all that so wouldn't sate very well... or would it?

 

[fskimospy]

There's braile on drive up ATM machines because all ATM machines are made standard... they don't have separate models for drive up and stand alone.

EDIT: Oh, and by the way if a sign says "seeing eye dogs only" that's probably an indication for everyone that has a dog that isn't a seeing eye dog to get out.

Note, no deep metaphysical truths needed to decipher these mysteries of life. Sometimes a spade is a spade!

As always, here to help!

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
There's braile on drive up ATM machines because all ATM machines are made standard... they don't have separate models for drive up and stand alone.

EDIT: Oh, and by the way if a sign says "seeing eye dogs only" that's probably an indication for everyone that has a dog that isn't a seeing eye dog to get out.

Note, no deep metaphysical truths needed to decipher these mysteries of life. Sometimes a spade is a spade!

As always, here to help!

Well thanks.. but you'd think the PO sign would be at human eye height... not dog eye height.. but go figure...

That makes perfect sense.. build stuff to accomodate and to a standard... I like that...
And the drive bit?

 

[fskimospy]

And the drive bit?

You got me?

 

[Moonbeam]

Well LR pretty much summed it up for GZ, but I may aw well also have a go at it:

GZ: Oh please.... stop this pretense of superiority.

M: One can't see a pretense of superiority without having a feeling of inferiority. You wouldn't notice how superior I am otherwise. Without the feeling you would not be competitive, you would have no urge or need to bring me down. What you think you see is somebody who does not have your inadequacy whereas really I am a nobody just what you would hate to be. I am superior to you because I can happily be the inferior you can't be but are.

GZ: You spend numerous hours planning and posting your multi-lined pseudo-intellectual observations/philosophy and then have the self-righteousness to say that I am here for my ego!? How arrogant.

M: Actually it takes me no time at all to write what I write. I don't have to think about it at all. I just say what it is I feel. So thanks for the back handed complement. Thanks for being impressed at my capacities but it so easy for me I don't get much sense of achievement, sadly. It's tough to fatten your ego, you know, when you're a nobody.

GZ: This arrogance is why you are mocked and worthy of derision. The purpose of your posts can have no other reason than to grant your own ego "its moment in the sun" and yet you have the unmitigated arrogance to speak of the ego of others. Laughable.

M: I told you I am mocked and derided because I feel what you will not, how totally filled with self hate you are. I am a mirror in which you see yourself. If you didn't hate yourself so much you'd see how beautiful I am, no? You at least would see how beautiful you are.

GZ: Everyone is entitled to their own philosophies. If you found personal fulfillment and enlightenment through a particular faith or course of study then I am happy for you.

M: Thank you. I found my truth at the cost of all my faith and when I had totally given up on study. I died and became a nothing. I was left with nothing but what I am.

GZ: However, please speak honestly about this philosophy. (The first step in this honesty is to admit its name: Scientology)

M: I speak what I feel and as honestly as I can. I know nothing at all, almost, about Scientology and have never been involved in it. The attempt to put me in a box is an attempt to manage your desperation regarding the feelings I stir up in you. You want to put me in a thorium box and make sure all rogues are dead. You have worked yourself up into an ego contest. You can't win because I lost long ago. I'm infinitely superior to you at being nothing. My humility is maybe 100 times as great as your own.

GZ: Wrap your beliefs in pseudo-intellectual double speak and airs of superiority, and I shall mock you.

M: No you will mock the me that is your true self. You will hate me like you hate yourself.

GZ: You are self contradictory at every turn - especially when you speak of ego.

M: All contradictions arise out of ignorance of higher principles in which all opposites are resolved.

GZ: Do not expect your blatant contradictions to be unchallenged. It is your insecurities that cause you label such challenges as "crap".

M: No it is your insecurities that cause you to challenge. What I do is show you that over and over in the mirror. And I expect it like tomorrow morning's sun. I know all about who you are because I know about me.

GZ: You are ridiculous but seem unaware of that in your conscious mind.... at least your subconscious chose the correct avatar.

M: I chose a clown because I knew that's how fools would see me. Part of my mirror function, you see. What I am is a nothing who can be the fool you dare not, one who died to the fear of being odd. I am here to tell you that the reason you do not know truth is because the truth is something you hate. You also hate to be told. You will always be a fool until you start to deal with that. I don't offer you thanks giving. I am pointing to the way out of hell.

Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[Seekermeister]

Moonbeam,

I got that far and decided you shouldn't be the only one without patience. I too am too self important to read what the peons may say.

Before you make assumptions about any kindred quality between us due to a similarity of words that I may choose, I must point out that the words is where any similarity ends. My impatience is a matter of a lack of desire to attempt to understand the myriads of avenues in which you and others have detoured the subject of this thread, for no other purpose than diminish it's value and to magnify your own.

Considering the egotism of your statement, that purpose is primarily to amuse yourself by playing with the "peons". I do not consider myself superior to anyone, despite the many accusations to the contrary. I have a goal other than self gratification, however far from that I may be.

 

[fskimospy]

Do you really think that people are driven to desparation by attempting to fight the truth that you reveal? We're driven to desparation because talking to you is like talking to a five year old. You're simply immune to reason. You've found a way to turn your brain off, and reject all forms of rational argument in favor of a philosophy worthy of an R.L. Stine book. Don't expect people to follow you.

The only feelings you are stirring up are sadness and frustration... and it sure ain't because we're afraid of your Absolute Truth.

You are simply unable to grasp just how ridiculous this crap you are spouting is.

All of your arguments are crap. Every single one. To think that the only reason someone would challenge the things you say is because they are afraid of them is not only the height of arrogance, but again... dumb. You just sheild yourself behind your (dumb) argument that people only tell you that you're acting stupid because they are afraid they are stupid themselves. It's not... they call you that because they're right.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Again your ideas are nonsensical. To think that people can only call you an idiot if they are secretly worried that they are one themselves is obviously wrong, illogical, and one of the worst assertions you've made yet.

I think the idea is that by calling someone an idiot, you are inherently comparing him/her to yourself. You wouldn't call someone an idiot because they are dumber than Einstein, but rather because they are dumber, or appear dumber, than yourself. We may not be conscious of it, but it still serves as a form of self-promotion. This implies insecurity. If we were secure then we would have no need to compare ourselves to others.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
I suppose that it was to be expected, but without going into alot of detail, there is alot of proof of the existence of God, and the faith that He authored. Unfortunately, the most certain is not available to anyone that is not a Christian, so it is not possible for it to be evaluated by any individual or scientific means. Thus, I had no expectation that any of you would be able to understand, but I had hoped that you would be able to comprehend well enough to be able to deal with it in an objective fashion. I suppose that I expected too much.

As far as the methods that science uses to obtain evidence and to use it to creat theories, it is good in theory, but it too often does not conform to it's own standards. Again, I do not wish to go into detail to illustrate what I mean, so I really do not expect any agreement on this either.

The reason that I do not wish to go into greater details, at this time, is because I feel that it is premature, and this discussion has not developed to the point in which it would be of any use to anyone, except to foster greater argument, and that is not my purpose.

"I suppose that it was to be expected, but without going into alot of detail, there is alot of proof of the existence of God, and the faith that He authored."

Haha.. that's a good one!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Again your ideas are nonsensical. To think that people can only call you an idiot if they are secretly worried that they are one themselves is obviously wrong, illogical, and one of the worst assertions you've made yet.

I think the idea is that by calling someone an idiot, you are inherently comparing him/her to yourself. You wouldn't call someone an idiot because they are dumber than Einstein, but rather because they are dumber, or appear dumber, than yourself. We may not be conscious of it, but it still serves as a form of self-promotion. This implies insecurity. If we were secure then we would have no need to compare ourselves to others.

You keep making this kind of sense and they're gonna call you nuts too.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, because nobody's ever said "man are we a bunch of idiots".

But that doesn't really matter, because you're wrong. The comparison is equally valid when you are comparing something to what is expected from the average. ie. Stephen Hawking probably calls Einstein a genius, even if they are/were both of relatively equal intelligence. So when I say that Thai food tastes good, it only tastes good in comparison to myself? No, it is good in comparison to other food. So to be clear, Moonbeams postings are stupid when compared to the thoughts of the average person you see around here. Hopefully you see how you're wrong there.

Also, not to be pedantic, but the definition of idiot (and of stupid) is either someone of below average intelligence, or someone who is foolish. Guess which one I was going for.

Irregardless of all that, to think that notifying someone that they are doing something wrong can only be done in the context of self promotion is also... stupid.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Moonbeam,

I got that far and decided you shouldn't be the only one without patience. I too am too self important to read what the peons may say.

Before you make assumptions about any kindred quality between us due to a similarity of words that I may choose, I must point out that the words is where any similarity ends. My impatience is a matter of a lack of desire to attempt to understand the myriads of avenues in which you and others have detoured the subject of this thread, for no other purpose than diminish it's value and to magnify your own.

Considering the egotism of your statement, that purpose is primarily to amuse yourself by playing with the "peons". I do not consider myself superior to anyone, despite the many accusations to the contrary. I have a goal other than self gratification, however far from that I may be.

Well now, everything depends on which understand each other best. You may say that you know why you are impatient, but I don't believe in such a thing. I am impatient always because I have a bad feeling that is starting to surface and I want to avoid it. I think you are the same. Therefore, I will stick with my judgment and you can believe in yours.

But at least I showed eskimospy and GZeus here how bad feelings work. You don't read my posts and it hurts my feelings. I feel inferior and your not reading what I say tells me I really am worthless. That makes me need to attack you for telling me your a big fat egotist who things he's superior to me.

As for the point and direction of this thread. Other people have their own ideas about things, their own vision and understanding. We are not all convinced we just happened to be born in the one and only religion. You may have found something for you in the Christian faith, and that was why Jesus brought it, but that same truth has come to many many others in many other ways. You are one of those silly people who think they have the only way. You worship the vessel and not what it contains. The tree of life is branched. That's my opinion.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Yeah, because nobody's ever said "man are we a bunch of idiots".

But that doesn't really matter, because you're wrong. The comparison is equally valid when you are comparing something to what is expected from the average. ie. Stephen Hawking probably calls Einstein a genius, even if they are/were both of relatively equal intelligence. So when I say that Thai food tastes good, it only tastes good in comparison to myself? No, it is good in comparison to other food. So to be clear, Moonbeams postings are stupid when compared to the thoughts of the average person you see around here. Hopefully you see how you're wrong there.

Also, not to be pedantic, but the definition of idiot (and of stupid) is either someone of below average intelligence, or someone who is foolish. Guess which one I was going for.

Irregardless of all that, to think that notifying someone that they are doing something wrong can only be done in the context of self promotion is also... stupid.

You don't notify people they are wrong. You ridicule them and call them fools. I think that's what makes you a fool. All you do is mumble about how stupid I am, but you neither make any intelligent case of your own nor intelligently argue why what I say is wrong. It's just wrong because you say it's stupid. Hehe. You will never think I am as stupid as I do. I am a chimpanzee. And I know you're right because your roommate and 9 out of ten dentists says so.

 

[fskimospy]

That's the entire reason I call what you say dumb. You are not subject to rational argument. I ridicule what you say because you aren't saying anything meaningful. Your points are impossible to respond to, because anyone who disagrees with you is discounted as defending their ego from the Truth That You Represent. It's not just me... there's a whole bunch of other people here who find you at least somewhere near as insufferable as I do.

At least seekermeister is attempting to apply logic to what he believes. I don't agree with him, but if you look closely I also didn't ridicule him for thinking differently then me. You have specifically come out and said that discussion is pointless without absolute knowledge, and that all knowledge is crap. Your point of view destroys knowledge, logic, and logical argument.... and you're proud of it.

THAT is why you are deserving of ridicule.... THAT is why you are a fool. At this point I'm actually starting to enjoy beating you over the head with that. Not because I believe I'm ever going to make a dent in you, (I've long since given up that) but more because I'm interested to see what cliche's and psychobabble you're going to burp up next.

 

[LunarRay]

Eskimospy,

Would you agree that every event by an individual from thinking about something to doing something physical.. even eating and breathing and all the other things we do is or are caused events?

Assuming you'll say yes.. Then let us call the stimuli the original one regardless of where or in what form it exists.. a motivator....

Assuming you'll agree up to this point.. Then let us proceed to the easy stuff.. and put that aside.. heart beat and breathing and all that 'automatic' stuff.. is motivated from some place in the head.. which produces 'something' that causes it to occur.. the brain (maybe the mind) started an event way back when and it continues and will unless some thing causes that to change.. Do we agree..

Assuming you agree then let us see about behaviour... ummm... lets say.... Anger... we probably agree that Anger is an emotion resulting from either a psychological or physiological or both stimuli.. IOW.. (and not trying to talk down to you or up.. but to be more specific) One don't just get Angered.. Anger is an unnatural state for a human.. based on the norm for observable humankind...

For the moment .. I'll await your response..

Edit: what I mean by 'unnatural' above is that all things being equal the human will not exist in a state of anger unless some event occurs to cause that to occur..

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
That's the entire reason I call what you say dumb. You are not subject to rational argument. I ridicule what you say because you aren't saying anything meaningful. Your points are impossible to respond to, because anyone who disagrees with you is discounted as defending their ego from the Truth That You Represent. It's not just me... there's a whole bunch of other people here who find you at least somewhere near as insufferable as I do.

At least seekermeister is attempting to apply logic to what he believes. I don't agree with him, but if you look closely I also didn't ridicule him for thinking differently then me. You have specifically come out and said that discussion is pointless without absolute knowledge, and that all knowledge is crap. Your point of view destroys knowledge, logic, and logical argument.... and you're proud of it.

THAT is why you are deserving of ridicule.... THAT is why you are a fool. At this point I'm actually starting to enjoy beating you over the head with that. Not because I believe I'm ever going to make a dent in you, (I've long since given up that) but more because I'm interested to see what cliche's and psychobabble you're going to burp up next.

I could have let this pass... hehehehhe but, what the heck.. there is lots in there that are meaningful...
You have evaluated Moonbeams postings and determined them to be - all that you said above - inaccurate. All this from your basis of understanding. You have labeled Moonbeam as something akin to a lunybin occupant without trying to understand from where his understanding eminates from. If he makes a point from his POV that does not agree with your POV he must be wrong... Just like the Baptist and the Muslim...
All things debated usually don't have agreement.. hehehhe.. but in this case there is no attempt to probe.. only to ridicule.. that ain't debate. IMO that is arrogant discourse..

Moonie says that he use to feel and be just like us all.. until he under went transformation..... and realized that all the feelings he did have... just like us - were motivated by something or somethings inculcated in his youth .. that what was once pristine became tainted. He goes on to say.. (regarding Anger, for the moment) that what you and I and others say and do is most probably caused by events we are not aware of today.. and that often this directed anger is not the state an optimum human should exist in.. all those 'bad' emotions..

Moonster uses each statement made to show in reflection that something makes us be as we are... and that because he don't now feel that way we don't have to either...

IOW... we see the bridge.. we step on it.. but we've no clue what the bridge is all about.. to me.. or to Moonie the bridge gets you to the other side... Most are content to meander upon the bridge.. it is secure there.. everyone knows about bridges.. but there may be snakes and other horrible critters over there... and we won't even look.. for the fear of it ...
Think about that.. just for a few moments

 

[Moonbeam]

e: That's the entire reason I call what you say dumb.

M: Isn't it dumb to say that something is the entire argument and then not say what it is? You think what you see and feel is reasonable but you don't prove anything to me. That is the entire reason why I say you are dumb.

e: You are not subject to rational argument.

M: No, YOU are not subject to rational argument. And your socks stink too.

e: I ridicule what you say because you aren't saying anything meaningful.

M: I don't ridicule you because you don't say anything. You poop a lot of opinions though which you never back up.

e: Your points are impossible to respond to, because anyone who disagrees with you is discounted as defending their ego from the Truth That You Represent.

M: Really? But I said that the truth I represent has nothing to do with me or anything I representation, but is a reflection of you. If the truth is that you see what you hide about yourself in others you are going to do regardless of what you think. The truth isn't going to change because you get upset.

e: It's not just me... there's a whole bunch of other people here who find you at least somewhere near as insufferable as I do.

M: No kidding. I say we all hate ourselves, don't know it, don't want to know it, and don't want to know we don't want to know. That's you. Facts don't care what you think.

e: At least seekermeister is attempting to apply logic to what he believes. I don't agree with him, but if you look closely I also didn't ridicule him for thinking differently then me.

M: Give it time.

e: You have specifically come out and said that discussion is pointless without absolute knowledge, and that all knowledge is crap. Your point of view destroys knowledge, logic, and logical argument.... and you're proud of it.

M: I am not responsible for your delusions about what I say. I recognize nothing off mine in these words. I am saying you don't get what I am saying and you insist that you do. I insist you do not,

e: THAT is why you are deserving of ridicule.... THAT is why you are a fool. At this point I'm actually starting to enjoy beating you over the head with that. Not because I believe I'm ever going to make a dent in you, (I've long since given up that) but more because I'm interested to see what cliche's and psychobabble you're going to burp up next.

M: Judge jury and executioner all rolled into one. Hehe. I'm flattered somebody of your perspicacity has so much time for me.