Lockheed Martin is a fail company

[sdifox]

Are people in this forum attempting to discuss and compare fighter jets as they would entry level commuter cars? That's definitely what it appears to be. Where is the obligatory "I took X for a test drive and it's definitely not as good as Y"?

It's like a wikipedia/google information regurgitation and cherry picking cut & paste contest (WGIRCPCPC for short). Then you throw in a Risk the Board Game Strategy Tournament of Champions (RBGSTOC). The winners of that bracket go on to face each other in the Argue the Finer Points of Global Military Theory and Budgetary Policy (AFPGMTBP) World Series. The winner is ultimately crowned with the Person of Enlightenment, National International Strategist (PENIS) award. It's long and hard.. to obtain.

Canada should spend its money on worthwhile projects, like getting Lord Stanley's Cup back to Canada for the first time in nearly 20 years.

[Polite Golf Clap]

I think the problem with this thread is the op is not really pissed at LM, rather at Harper.

 

[Bignate603]

the only nation that you can strategically plan for outside of our current enemies is....the Alien invasion. that is the only other military tech, in this world, that could have a chance of surpassing yesterdays tech against us, 2 decades from now.

You seem to be under the impression that Russia and China are incredibly far behind and will stay that way for the time being. The current crop of Russian made jets (some of which China has purchased) are not 20 years behind any more. The things that both Russia and China have in development will likely surpass (or at the very least, compete with) the capabilities of the majority of fighters we currently have.

As for your claim that we will never face these planes from Russia or China, how do you know what we'll be facing in 20 or 30 years? You can't say which countries will end up against us, which countries will buy some of the more advanced fighters that will become available, or which countries will embark on their own development program. You have no idea what the situation will be in a few decades, and because these fighter development programs take 10 - 20 years before you actually get a functional plane you can't wait until you have a known threat before you start it.

 

[0roo0roo]

mostly those countries have no problem selling their planes to all sorts of other jackass countries, that is the problem.

 

[sdifox]

Kevin Page said the F35 program is closer to 30B.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/p...damning-report/article1937772/?service=mobile

This is what India does with 30B

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11492777

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA


Now that Russia is part of NATO, maybe we should take a look at these. If it is good enough for India, I don't see why it can't be good enough for Canada.

 

[Sureshot324]

Kevin Page said the F35 program is closer to 30B.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/p...damning-report/article1937772/?service=mobile

This is what India does with 30B

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11492777

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA


Now that Russia is part of NATO, maybe we should take a look at these. If it is good enough for India, I don't see why it can't be good enough for Canada.

Agreed. It's not clear from the BBC article if $30 bil includes the maintenance cost for the entire life cycle of the planes, but if so 250-300 Su PAK FA's vs 65 F35s for the same price seems like a no brainer to me. Unfortunately I highly doubt Canada is going to buy Russian planes even if they are in NATO.

 

[sdifox]

Agreed. It's not clear from the BBC article if $30 bil includes the maintenance cost for the entire life cycle of the planes, but if so 250-300 Su PAK FA's vs 65 F35s for the same price seems like a no brainer to me. Unfortunately I highly doubt Canada is going to buy Russian planes even if they are in NATO.

India is part of the dev so they probably get it cheaper. But still. It is kind of interesting that the first batch won't have the new engine D:

Let's just assume it is without maint cost.Still, 250-300 compared to 65... that is a lot of spare planes :biggrin:

 

[Dominato3r]

Are our weapons compatible those rails?

 

[Imp]

Are our weapons compatible those rails?

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/972061--canadian-navy-has-wrong-torpedoes-for-subs

Have no fear, conversion kits will be on the market!



Why the hell does Canada need subs? Expecially ones that have single-handedly killed sailors, and will probably never see action?

 

[x26]

The OP is right. The RCAF should stick with what they know...

lol lol lol lol.........

 

[0roo0roo]

Agreed. It's not clear from the BBC article if $30 bil includes the maintenance cost for the entire life cycle of the planes, but if so 250-300 Su PAK FA's vs 65 F35s for the same price seems like a no brainer to me. Unfortunately I highly doubt Canada is going to buy Russian planes even if they are in NATO.

zero point in helping funding weapons development for a country that will probably arm your enemies

 

[Blitzvogel]

Agreed. It's not clear from the BBC article if $30 bil includes the maintenance cost for the entire life cycle of the planes, but if so 250-300 Su PAK FA's vs 65 F35s for the same price seems like a no brainer to me. Unfortunately I highly doubt Canada is going to buy Russian planes even if they are in NATO.

I thought India was intent on actually building or assembling PAK-FAs themselves? They've been involved with the program since well before the first prototype flew. PAK-FA should sit well between the F-35 and F-22 in capability, but with better range, higher internal fuel load, more weapons carriage than the F-22, and in some ways, better electronics like cheek radar systems in the trailing wing edges and some kind of IRST system. The F-22 has provisions for an IRST type system but would be better off with EODAS system of the F-35 since it can be used for so many functions outside of targeting.

 

[sdifox]

Are our weapons compatible those rails?

We have British Subs with American Torpedoes. And we want to upgrade those torpedoes too, but not make them fit the subs D:

That whole sub program is such a fiasco.


edit: Damn you imp... you answered before I did :biggrin:

 

[shortylickens]

I hope they arent too fail.
They're running a career fair today at NOVA Anandale and I'm hoping to score.

Only advantage I have over the other kiddies is a little bit of work experience that may not even be directly related to what they need. Its a long shot but worth the gas money.
At todays prices I figure it will cost me 8 dollars down there and 8 back. If I get a 60k job its a good investment. Even if I dont, 16 bucks to learn about how Lockheed recruits is also money well spent.

 

[shortylickens]

FUCKING BARACK OBAMA!

As if he's not fucking up my career enough already, now he's doing a meeting at Anandale campus and taking up the whole god damn place. No way in hell I'll get to see the recruiter before they leave at 2 o'clock.
Fucking lovely.
Shit ass wise and beautiful woman whore.
Well, maybe they will have another opportunity for folks who cant get in to see them.

 

[Colt45]

Now that Russia is part of NATO

lolwut?

 

[qliveur]

^Yeah. When the hell did that happen?

 

[Aikouka]

I hope they arent too fail.
They're running a career fair today at NOVA Anandale and I'm hoping to score.

Only advantage I have over the other kiddies is a little bit of work experience that may not even be directly related to what they need. Its a long shot but worth the gas money.
At todays prices I figure it will cost me 8 dollars down there and 8 back. If I get a 60k job its a good investment. Even if I dont, 16 bucks to learn about how Lockheed recruits is also money well spent.

What sort of job are you trying to get? What sort of questions do you have as well? I know a guy who does recruiting at campuses for them.

 

[sdifox]

lolwut?

Partner for peace :sneaky: