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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
I wonder if the mods will reply to a thread where they have no logical basis for defense?
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Maybe.

I'd have to agree with the lock. In the United States, recreational pot is illegal. This forum is primarily US based, and US ran. My personal opinion is it should be legalized, but until that happens, this forum really shouldn't have casual threads about the use of it (we HAVE had plenty of threads about the legality and morality of it).
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Growing and selling marijuana is illegal here in Oregon.

However, carrying and consumption of less than 2oz of marijuana is NOT ILLEGAL. After an incident with a shoplifter that had pot concealed I was informed by several Portland Police officers of this law. As much as I hated hearing it, it is the law.

It is legal. It is moral. The thread should be unlocked.

Personal bias against it (something that I strongly have) should not be a factor.
 
Originally posted by: thepd7

Yes and no. In Texas at least, any drug which contains the same active ingredients and has the same effect is also illegal. So this drug (if discovered) would be prosecuted exactly like marijuana and is in fact illegal.
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And, in several counties in Tennessee at least (and many other states), it is illegal to sell or purchase alcohol. However, at the federal level, as with this substance, it is not illegal.

At what level do we stop analyzing the legality of a subtance? Local? Municipal? County? State? Federal? What about posters in other countries?

(Note: This substance does NOT contain the same active ingredients as marijuana, so I would like to see this law that makes it illegal based on similar effect alone.)
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
So we can safely assume that if a new thread is created regarding it, and discussing it as a legal marijuana alternative, the thread won't be locked?
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Hmm, can we get this answered mods?
 
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
So we can safely assume that if a new thread is created regarding it, and discussing it as a legal marijuana alternative, the thread won't be locked?
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Hmm, can we get this answered mods?
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I won't lock it.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
So we can safely assume that if a new thread is created regarding it, and discussing it as a legal marijuana alternative, the thread won't be locked?
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Hmm, can we get this answered mods?
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I won't lock it.
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Nor I.
 
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: allisolm
You guys tend to shoot yourselves in the foot. There was recently a thread where the title asked how to kill feral cats. The poster didn't really want to kill them, but he went for a topic title that would attract attention and get responses - and it got locked. The thread that's being discussed here is titled "so mail order "bud" actually works... " If he's not going to discuss marijuana, then the title is just misleading attention grabbing and it got locked. That's what happens.
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BS.

1.) Bud is in quotations because the substance is similar to actual marijuana. The quotations note that the topic isn't, in fact, discussing actual bud. If he was intending to imply that the topic is going to be about marijuana, why the quotations? This is a huge stretch on your part.

2.) The reason given for the lock was, and I quote, "there are jurisdictions where this substance is illegal." There are jurisdictions where this substance is illegal, just not in the US. If the reason was for the title, why wasn't that stated?

Nice try.
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There are jurisdictions where anal and oral sex are illegal. Why aren't all threads in L&R talking about oral or anal locked?

Really, I don't understand why adults can't talk about adult topics if the conversation doesn't degrade into vulgar or juvenile variations of the topic.
 
Originally posted by: Nik

Really, I don't understand why adults can't talk about adult topics if the conversation doesn't degrade into vulgar or juvenile variations of the topic.
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Re-read your commnet and then look at OT & L&R participants.

Question should then be answered.

 
Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
However, carrying and consumption of less than 2oz of marijuana is NOT ILLEGAL. After an incident with a shoplifter that had pot concealed I was informed by several Portland Police officers of this law. As much as I hated hearing it, it is the law.

It is legal. It is moral. The thread should be unlocked.

Personal bias against it (something that I strongly have) should not be a factor.
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Wouldn't federal prohibition trump state rules?
 
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: Nik

Really, I don't understand why adults can't talk about adult topics if the conversation doesn't degrade into vulgar or juvenile variations of the topic.
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Re-read your commnet and then look at OT & L&R participants.

Question should then be answered.
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I like how you ignore my point and the whole reason this thread exists, and that's that his thread was locked because what he was discussing is illegal somewhere.

Why aren't L&R threads locked that discuss anal or oral which is illegal in many places?

Neither the L&R threads nor the MJ threads should be locked because they're "illegal somewhere." :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
However, carrying and consumption of less than 2oz of marijuana is NOT ILLEGAL. After an incident with a shoplifter that had pot concealed I was informed by several Portland Police officers of this law. As much as I hated hearing it, it is the law.

It is legal. It is moral. The thread should be unlocked.

Personal bias against it (something that I strongly have) should not be a factor.
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Wouldn't federal prohibition trump state rules?
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Yes. This is why state and local police will follow state and local laws while federal authorities will follow federal laws.
 
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Nik
Why aren't L&R threads locked that discuss anal or oral which is illegal in many places?
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Because I don't lock them.
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/facepalm :roll:
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Well you asked?

Before L&R existed, they were locked - no sex chat in OT. You want to go back to that?
 
Here's the thread.

"The substance" is pot, which is illegal under Federal law.

Our members are transnational and international, and the OP's topic is about ordering it through mail order sources. That means the specific subject is discussing illegal actis.
 
Also, what if someone were to discuss spitting gum on the sidewalk? That's illegal in Singapore. :light:

😕

:brokenheart:
 
Even the Supreme Court doesn't reach unanimous decisions on every case. You want to hold the moderators here to a higher standard than that? Furthermore, the moderators here are volunteers - I hope you don't expect us to get everyone together for an emergency conference call every time one of these threads pops up. Sometimes a thread in a gray area might get locked, other times, it might not. Depends on who reads it.

Furthermore, we might have had time to get together to discuss the particular locked thread, but we were too busy discussing the OP who first made a thread "Anal Sex in Alabama" which pointed to the locked thread; then during his 1 week vacation, decided to start a 2nd account. (Bad move.)

Hint: want us to change something for you? Want us to do a favor for you? Don't act childish and create necessary work for us. Many of the moderators have gone above and beyond what's expected of us to help many of the members here. I am the moderator who vacationed the OP of this thread - not for the locked thread; that certainly didn't warrant a vacation. The lock was debatable. But, he was vacationed for creating the Anal Sex titled thread. I had actually given consideration to the idea of unlocking his original thread when he returned from his vacation. But, he went ahead & returned with a 2nd account. I'll probably forget about reconsidering it by the time the extended vacation is over.
 
I got an idea: Someone should start a Thread on Legalizing Pot, get it Legalized, then restart the Thread in question.

Problem solved :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Here's the thread.

"The substance" is pot, which is illegal under Federal law.

Our members are transnational and international, and the OP's topic is about ordering it through mail order sources. That means the specific subject is discussing illegal actis.
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Actually what he was talking about are those websites that sell what they call "bud" but contains no THC. They claim it has a similar effect.

If you actually google "spice gold" like he mentions in the thread you will see a lot of discussion on it, as it is not in fact pot.

edit: To clarify, not disputing that the thread was dumb (honestly I think anyone who would smoke some mystery weeds looking for a similar effect to a very available substance is dumb), I just wanted to add some information to your decision.
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Even the Supreme Court doesn't reach unanimous decisions on every case. You want to hold the moderators here to a higher standard than that? Furthermore, the moderators here are volunteers - I hope you don't expect us to get everyone together for an emergency conference call every time one of these threads pops up. Sometimes a thread in a gray area might get locked, other times, it might not. Depends on who reads it.
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The law is intentionally written as "grey" because the government wanted to entrust the judges to make a fair and unbiased decision, keeping "reasonableness" in mind.

In this case, Anand has entrusted the mods to use their discretion when it comes to rules here that were intentionally written to be open to interpretation (regardless, all written prose is open to interpretation). Essentially, Anand is trusting the mods with this entire forum to a large extent.

The government is more powerful than the legal system, and judges are extremely wary of this. Judges can only change laws when they deem something to be contradictory to another law, or if they deem something set a "precedent", or finally if something is unconstitutional. The supreme court guides the lower courts in terms of what to do when these circumstances arise.

DrPizza, I do not know why you brought up a full consensus of the mods. IMO, expecting that would not be keeping "reasonableness" in mind, however, I do feel that if there is a relative split on a given issue, we, the members here, should have some say, or else it should be left in the hands of Anand himself to decide.

With respect to the vacation, I agree with you that the anal sex titled thread went too far. This is a tech forum; if people want to talk about that IMO they should do it elsewhere. When I joined here 8 years ago people could not even swear, and believe me, this was a better forum for it.
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Here's the thread.

"The substance" is pot, which is illegal under Federal law.

Our members are transnational and international, and the OP's topic is about ordering it through mail order sources. That means the specific subject is discussing illegal actis.
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Actually, "the substance" is not pot, and "the substance" is not illegal under Federal law. "The substance" does not even contain THC. So, the specific subject is not discussing illegal acts, and the answer to this thread is 100% wrong.
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Even the Supreme Court doesn't reach unanimous decisions on every case. You want to hold the moderators here to a higher standard than that? Furthermore, the moderators here are volunteers - I hope you don't expect us to get everyone together for an emergency conference call every time one of these threads pops up. Sometimes a thread in a gray area might get locked, other times, it might not. Depends on who reads it.

Furthermore, we might have had time to get together to discuss the particular locked thread, but we were too busy discussing the OP who first made a thread "Anal Sex in Alabama" which pointed to the locked thread; then during his 1 week vacation, decided to start a 2nd account. (Bad move.)

Hint: want us to change something for you? Want us to do a favor for you? Don't act childish and create necessary work for us. Many of the moderators have gone above and beyond what's expected of us to help many of the members here. I am the moderator who vacationed the OP of this thread - not for the locked thread; that certainly didn't warrant a vacation. The lock was debatable. But, he was vacationed for creating the Anal Sex titled thread. I had actually given consideration to the idea of unlocking his original thread when he returned from his vacation. But, he went ahead & returned with a 2nd account. I'll probably forget about reconsidering it by the time the extended vacation is over.
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:thumbsup:
 
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