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http://www.electic.com/cgi-bin/news/News/Stories/2001/10/05/10022737651.shtml


<< ``Our ability to maintain PC processor unit volumes under current market conditions is a strong testament to the architectural superiority of AMD Athlon(TM) and Duron(TM) processors,'' said W.J. Sanders III, chairman and chief executive officer. ``With unit sales of our seventh-generation processors at record levels in an extremely difficult PC market, we believe we either held or gained market share. In an effort to make up for the performance deficiencies of computers based on its Pentium® 4 processors, Intel resorted to aggressive pricing and large, cash-backed marketing programs, which had the effect of driving down ASPs on PC processors in the market segments where we compete directly,'' Sanders concluded. >>




Some don't want to have a logical discussion, so lock it up.
 
LOL, sore losers?


Consider the source. J. Sanders hates Intel almost as much as he likes talkin' smack about them. Some of what he says is true, some of it is exaggeration. There's little doubt in my mind that if Intel hadn't cut prices by 50%, the largest drop on a new CPU in their history, AMD would have easily made 30% market share.

Pentium 4 systems may have been "performance deficient" when they were introduced (the P3 and Athlon could beat the P4), but that's not the case as much now. I would have loved to have sat in on the meetings between Intel's marketing guys and their engineers when they laid out what would become the P4. By all appearances, the CPU was designed to take advantage of the consumers' love affair with raw megahertz. That's a smart marketing move, not so much smart engineering.
 


<< They'd have to be losing to be sore losers.

Funny none the less. >>


And how is AMD winning??
 
pah. AMD vs Intel is getting old now. They are both have good products, but in their own way.

dave
 
And how is AMD winning??


God, I don't care if they win, but please don't let them loose! I really won't take kindly to the prospect of paying $1000 for a top of the line CPU again.
 


<< And how is AMD winning??


God, I don't care if they win, but please don't let them loose! I really won't take kindly to the prospect of paying $1000 for a top of the line CPU again. >>


I don't want to see them lose either, I just got a kickass 1.4GHz Athlon😀
 
NFS4:

AMD is winning because everyone smart is buying and AMD system. I don't know a single person around here who bought a Pentium 3 or Pentium 4 system... I know at least 20 people who bought new systems in the last 6 months... all TBird's and a few Duron's...

AMD is gaining market shares while Intel is losing market share. That's how AMD is winning.

Shnak
 
With AMD slagging the P4 off and Via demanding they stop selling them, Intel has got people biting at it's heels. 🙂
 
Long live AMD! Though, I use only Intel hardware, I like their (AMD's) pricing policy. Cheap as hell, so Intel has to come down with the prices. Good for me, good for all of us! AMD strike back!
 


<< NFS4:

AMD is winning because everyone smart is buying and AMD system. I don't know a single person around here who bought a Pentium 3 or Pentium 4 system... I know at least 20 people who bought new systems in the last 6 months... all TBird's and a few Duron's...

AMD is gaining market shares while Intel is losing market share. That's how AMD is winning.

Shnak >>


You don't know a single person...like that matters in the big picture (no offense). We tweakers represent a small portion of the actual sale of processors. Intel is continuing to dominate the consumer market. And with recent AMD drops from Gateway and IBM, Intel is doing their best to make sure they maintain their sales advantage.

As for AMD "winning" by gaining marketshare, it doesn't really matter if you set your prices so low that it cuts in on your profits. Intel has MUCH deeper pockets than AMD.
 

Shame on you. As a member of the AT staff, you least of all should try to instigate one of these endless
non-productive AMD vs Intel threads that always degrade into a flame war. Doesn't this crap ever get old?
The same arguments over and over and over and over and over........................
 

And Moderator - move this thread by NSF4 about AMD's earnings and their take on Intel's P4 to the
"Off Topic" forum where it belongs, and other like topics on AMD's finances. This is the GENERAL HARDWARE
forum.
 


<< Shame on you. As a member of the AT staff, you least of all should try to instigate one of these endless
non-productive AMD vs Intel threads that always degrade into a flame war. Doesn't this crap ever get old?
The same arguments over and over and over and over and over........................ >>


Excuse me, but this was a news item I posted...if you have a problem with news on a hardware company, then I dunno😉 Jerry basically came out and talked about how the P4 was a poor performer. I don't find that at all the case. I also don't feel that a topic about the P4 is off topic material.

And no one is instigating anything. I just find it odd that Jerry Sanders always likes to attack Intel publicy when Intel doesn't even bother to mention AMD when it makes statements.

If you can't come in here and have a logical discussion about these two companies, then why did you even show up? This has not turned into a flame war, b/c none is needed. Everyone is talking logically and addressing the issue at hand. You could have easily passed this topic over if it wasn't your cup of tea.
 
Point being?

I'm tired of the constant AMD vs Intel arguments as well. Without either in the marketplace, prices would be much, much higher, and innovation would be stifled. Competition is absolutely necessary. Does anyone really believe a top-end P4 would be selling for as little as $550 if AMD wasn't here to compete? By the same token, do you believe top-end Thunderbirds would sell at the $100 price point if Intel suddenly disappeared?

I think we all know Sanders has a deep hate for Intel. He never misses a chance to bash them. Sometimes he takes heat for doing so in a public fashion, but let's keep in mind that such is the nature of business. Intel chairman Andy Grove made similiar remarks about AMD on a regular basis. Barrett is a bit more low key. I don't find anything unusual about one competitor bashing another...
 


<< I think we all know Sanders has a deep hate for Intel. He never misses a chance to bash them. Sometimes he takes heat for doing so in a public fashion, but let's keep in mind that such is the nature of business. Intel chairman Andy Grove made similiar remarks about AMD on a regular basis. Barrett is a bit more low key. I don't find anything unusual about one competitor bashing another... >>


I find it more an item of "less" is more. There is no need for bashing back and forth. That's why people didn't like Bubba from 3dfx.
 
AMD is just feeling the "Heat" of good marketing, Intel has a chip that can perform just as well or better than anything AMD is offering right now. Some people will chose to pay the price and some wont, simple as that. But Intel is droping prices on *EVERYTHING*, pretty soon Intel is gonna start dominating the market by way of versitility and clock speed. I saw a P4 1.5ghz Compaq going for under 900 bones, now even though it's on the i845 chipset, that certainly dose *sound* like a good deal no?. Intel is playing its cards VERY well, i845 chipset is for the sucka's who dont know any better, im sure Intel will make a huge profit *off* the i845.
 
i845 the key to Intel's dominance?

ROFLMAO. You're either ignorant of the technology or trying to spark another flame shoot.

Sure you can purchase new i845-based Intel rigs for sub-$1000 price points. You'll also receive less performance (read: substantially less) than AMD machines equipped with the same peripherals, selling for half that (or less). P4 combined with ancient PC133 is ridiculous. Sure, from a marketing perspective it isn't a bad idea. Lots of people will fall for the trap, not knowing any better. But not around here 😀

i850 is a nice platform, albeit still too expensive. But it offers the best performance possible for P4 right now.
 


<< i845 the key to Intel's dominance?

ROFLMAO. You're either ignorant of the technology or trying to spark another flame shoot.

Sure you can purchase new i845-based Intel rigs for sub-$1000 price points. You'll also receive less performance (read: substantially less) than AMD machines equipped with the same peripherals, selling for half that (or less). P4 combined with ancient PC133 is ridiculous. Sure, from a marketing perspective it isn't a bad idea. Lots of people will fall for the trap, not knowing any better. But not around here 😀

i850 is a nice platform, albeit still too expensive. But it offers the best performance possible for P4 right now. >>




From an economic point of view, i845 is a key to Intel's success. The people who buy Dells only check what CPU the computer has, and then how much it costs. (if they're lucky enough, they know that more ram is better...)

Try explaining that an AMD rig will perform better, they most likely won't understand or won't even care... People around here may not fall for it, but we're about 0.00001% of the market. It doesn't matter how it performs, bottom line is i845 systems are selling like hot cakes compared to AMD systems. I hope the new Athlon XP's PR rating helps, I think it will...
 
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