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[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: waggy
If you cant/wont do your duty when asked then you shouldn't live here.

I would agree if the U.S. was being attacked such as what happened at Pearl Harbor, but choosing not to fight in Iraq is suddenly not "doing your duty"? That's bogus. If someone does not support the war in Iraq and chooses not to fight there they should be allowed to stay out of the fight. People are individuals, not drones of the state to be called up whenever some politician decides to invade a country.

No matter what the cause, your country is calling for your help.

That's a pretty damn scary statement right there. No matter what the cause?? If that cause goes against my morals/beliefs I certainly will NOT help. People like you are the ones who enabled Hitler to rise to power.

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: cashman
WTF is with all of these people freaking out about the draft? :| I seriously doubt if there was a draft in the future, we have plenty of servicemen and women.

And if there was, I would join and serve my country I love. I'll drop out of college, it would be an honor.

That got you a 10.

And another.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: waggy
If you cant/wont do your duty when asked then you shouldn't live here.

I would agree if the U.S. was being attacked such as what happened at Pearl Harbor, but choosing not to fight in Iraq is suddenly not "doing your duty"? That's bogus. If someone does not support the war in Iraq and chooses not to fight there they should be allowed to stay out of the fight. People are individuals, not drones of the state to be called up whenever some politician decides to invade a country.

No matter what the cause, your country is calling for your help. For the exchange of your living here and enjoying your freedom to hate the U.S. for being so "free", they ask that you serve if you're called. Is that too much to ask, for all you stupid asshats?

No matter the cause the Nazis were only being partiots for the fatherland right?

Your post has about as much content as WMD's in Iraq but I'll just say it's everymans responsibilty to not be a brain-dead flag worshiping sissy and use the standards of war a common decentcy we followed for 250 years. You don't start and offensive war. You don't lie to do it either.

Nobody said anything about BELIEVING in what you're fighting for. If you don't like what this country requires in order for you to live here, then leave. Don't live here. If you're going to live here, you have to abide by the rules. The rules aren't that you must believe that your country is infalible.

<edited to be respectable and decent>

 

[CPA]

What draft? You mean the NFL draft starting tomorrow?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: waggy
If you cant/wont do your duty when asked then you shouldn't live here.

I would agree if the U.S. was being attacked such as what happened at Pearl Harbor, but choosing not to fight in Iraq is suddenly not "doing your duty"? That's bogus. If someone does not support the war in Iraq and chooses not to fight there they should be allowed to stay out of the fight. People are individuals, not drones of the state to be called up whenever some politician decides to invade a country.

No matter what the cause, your country is calling for your help. For the exchange of your living here and enjoying your freedom to hate the U.S. for being so "free", they ask that you serve if you're called. Is that too much to ask, for all you stupid asshats?

No matter the cause the Nazis were only being partiots for the fatherland right?

Your post has about as much content as WMD's in Iraq but I'll just say it's everymans responsibilty to not be a brain-dead flag worshiping sissy and use the standards of war a common decentcy we followed for 250 years. You don't start and offensive war. You don't lie to do it either.

Nobody said anything about BELIEVING in what you're fighting for. If you don't like what this country requires in order for you to live here, then leave. Don't live here. If you're going to live here, you have to abide by the rules. The rules aren't that you must believe that your country is infalible.

<edited to be respectable and decent>

Oh, ok so I guess we are all supposed to pick up M16s, and charge without having a clue for what we are fighting for? That's the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard in a long time. War is a very serious thing and no one should EVER take a cause of war for granted or just believe that the war is just because some politician tells them it is. This is the most outrageous point of view on this subject ever!

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: waggy
If you cant/wont do your duty when asked then you shouldn't live here.

I would agree if the U.S. was being attacked such as what happened at Pearl Harbor, but choosing not to fight in Iraq is suddenly not "doing your duty"? That's bogus. If someone does not support the war in Iraq and chooses not to fight there they should be allowed to stay out of the fight. People are individuals, not drones of the state to be called up whenever some politician decides to invade a country.

No matter what the cause, your country is calling for your help. For the exchange of your living here and enjoying your freedom to hate the U.S. for being so "free", they ask that you serve if you're called. Is that too much to ask, for all you stupid asshats?

No matter the cause the Nazis were only being partiots for the fatherland right?

Your post has about as much content as WMD's in Iraq but I'll just say it's everymans responsibilty to not be a brain-dead flag worshiping sissy and use the standards of war a common decentcy we followed for 250 years. You don't start and offensive war. You don't lie to do it either.

Nobody said anything about BELIEVING in what you're fighting for. If you don't like what this country requires in order for you to live here, then leave. Don't live here. If you're going to live here, you have to abide by the rules. The rules aren't that you must believe that your country is infalible.

<edited to be respectable and decent>

🙂

meh. There are a lot of people that have problems with the idea of fighting for something you do not believe in, me being one of them... It doesen't have anything to do with not appreciating our service men and women, or not being "patriotic", etc.. it has everything to do with personal values, though. Besides, you don't WANT people fighting in a war that they do not believe in.. They will not be good soldiers, at least compared to those who truely believe in the cause. That's why we (should) never adopt a mandatory military policy(or a draft). It needs to be voluntary. 🙂

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: waggy
If you cant/wont do your duty when asked then you shouldn't live here.

I would agree if the U.S. was being attacked such as what happened at Pearl Harbor, but choosing not to fight in Iraq is suddenly not "doing your duty"? That's bogus. If someone does not support the war in Iraq and chooses not to fight there they should be allowed to stay out of the fight. People are individuals, not drones of the state to be called up whenever some politician decides to invade a country.

No matter what the cause, your country is calling for your help. For the exchange of your living here and enjoying your freedom to hate the U.S. for being so "free", they ask that you serve if you're called. Is that too much to ask, for all you stupid asshats?

No matter the cause the Nazis were only being partiots for the fatherland right?

Your post has about as much content as WMD's in Iraq but I'll just say it's everymans responsibilty to not be a brain-dead flag worshiping sissy and use the standards of war a common decentcy we followed for 250 years. You don't start and offensive war. You don't lie to do it either.

Nobody said anything about BELIEVING in what you're fighting for. If you don't like what this country requires in order for you to live here, then leave. Don't live here. If you're going to live here, you have to abide by the rules. The rules aren't that you must believe that your country is infalible.

<edited to be respectable and decent>

Oh, ok so I guess we are all supposed to pick up M16s, and charge without having a clue for what we are fighting for? That's the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard in a long time. War is a very serious thing and no one should EVER take a cause of war for granted or just believe that the war is just because some politician tells them it is. This is the most outrageous point of view on this subject ever!

get out of this country, you communist spy!!! you don't deserve to live here like i do!!!!

 

[us3rnotfound]

Someone explain to me wtf the point of this damn war is, besides to "get rid of" terrorism.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: waggy
If you cant/wont do your duty when asked then you shouldn't live here.

I would agree if the U.S. was being attacked such as what happened at Pearl Harbor, but choosing not to fight in Iraq is suddenly not "doing your duty"? That's bogus. If someone does not support the war in Iraq and chooses not to fight there they should be allowed to stay out of the fight. People are individuals, not drones of the state to be called up whenever some politician decides to invade a country.

No matter what the cause, your country is calling for your help. For the exchange of your living here and enjoying your freedom to hate the U.S. for being so "free", they ask that you serve if you're called. Is that too much to ask, for all you stupid asshats?

No matter the cause the Nazis were only being partiots for the fatherland right?

Your post has about as much content as WMD's in Iraq but I'll just say it's everymans responsibilty to not be a brain-dead flag worshiping sissy and use the standards of war a common decentcy we followed for 250 years. You don't start and offensive war. You don't lie to do it either.

Nobody said anything about BELIEVING in what you're fighting for. If you don't like what this country requires in order for you to live here, then leave. Don't live here. If you're going to live here, you have to abide by the rules. The rules aren't that you must believe that your country is infalible.

<edited to be respectable and decent>

Oh, ok so I guess we are all supposed to pick up M16s, and charge without having a clue for what we are fighting for? That's the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard in a long time. War is a very serious thing and no one should EVER take a cause of war for granted or just believe that the war is just because some politician tells them it is. This is the most outrageous point of view on this subject ever!

The people of the United States elect their officials. Those officials, in charge of the country, decide that a draft is necessary to bring about a preferrable ending to the current conflict. It is our duty to elect those officials that we see fit to responsibly run this country. We have done so. We can also change the law by electing officials who have similar views and who intend to petition the law to be changed so that we can vote on it to see what the majority feels. The majority of this country still believe in the draft -if that weren't the case, the law would have been changed.

Therefore, if you live here, it is your responsiblity to do your civic duty under the law of the land. If that means you drive 20 in a school zone, you drive 20 in a school zone. If that means you have to wait until you're 18 in order to vote, you wait until you're 18 in order to vote. If that means you serve because of a draft, uou serve because of a draft.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: shminu
Someone explain to me wtf the point of this damn war is, besides to "get rid of" terrorism.

Nobody knows.

Oil, personal vendetta, terrorism, WMD.. all of the above.. we'll probably never know.

All I do know is that it isn't our place to police the world, even though the Iraqi people will most likely be better off.. I just don't see how we can involve ourselves. We can't fix the world. We don't have the resources.

We need to fix ourselves first.

 

[us3rnotfound]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: shminu
Someone explain to me wtf the point of this damn war is, besides to "get rid of" terrorism.

Nobody knows.

Oil, personal vendetta, terrorism, WMD.. all of the above.. we'll probably never know.

All I do know is that it isn't our place to police the world, even though the Iraqi people will most likely be better off.. I just don't see how we can involve ourselves. We can't fix the world. We don't have the resources.

We need to fix ourselves first.

*clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap*
*clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap*

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: waggy
If you cant/wont do your duty when asked then you shouldn't live here.

I would agree if the U.S. was being attacked such as what happened at Pearl Harbor, but choosing not to fight in Iraq is suddenly not "doing your duty"? That's bogus. If someone does not support the war in Iraq and chooses not to fight there they should be allowed to stay out of the fight. People are individuals, not drones of the state to be called up whenever some politician decides to invade a country.

No matter what the cause, your country is calling for your help. For the exchange of your living here and enjoying your freedom to hate the U.S. for being so "free", they ask that you serve if you're called. Is that too much to ask, for all you stupid asshats?

No matter the cause the Nazis were only being partiots for the fatherland right?

Your post has about as much content as WMD's in Iraq but I'll just say it's everymans responsibilty to not be a brain-dead flag worshiping sissy and use the standards of war a common decentcy we followed for 250 years. You don't start and offensive war. You don't lie to do it either.

Nobody said anything about BELIEVING in what you're fighting for. If you don't like what this country requires in order for you to live here, then leave. Don't live here. If you're going to live here, you have to abide by the rules. The rules aren't that you must believe that your country is infalible.

<edited to be respectable and decent>

A soldiers FIRST sworn duty is to defend the Constitution of these United States, nowhere is the oath deos it say cow-tow to President Bush and his PNAC co-conpsriators/carpetbaggers.

Article VI of the United States Constitution states "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."


Now lets look at some of these treaties they are sworn to defend.

Bush invaded a sovereign nation which posed no imminent threat to the United States of America ? violated both the United Nations Charter and the Principles of the Nuremberg Tribunal which is breach of contract and in fact unconstitutional I would even argue treasonous if they bothered to read it.

Principle Vl Nuremberg Tribunal:

Crimes against peace:
Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression.

 

[Kilgor]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: waggy
If you cant/wont do your duty when asked then you shouldn't live here.

I would agree if the U.S. was being attacked such as what happened at Pearl Harbor, but choosing not to fight in Iraq is suddenly not "doing your duty"? That's bogus. If someone does not support the war in Iraq and chooses not to fight there they should be allowed to stay out of the fight. People are individuals, not drones of the state to be called up whenever some politician decides to invade a country.

No matter what the cause, your country is calling for your help. For the exchange of your living here and enjoying your freedom to hate the U.S. for being so "free", they ask that you serve if you're called. Is that too much to ask, for all you stupid asshats?

No matter the cause the Nazis were only being partiots for the fatherland right?

Your post has about as much content as WMD's in Iraq but I'll just say it's everymans responsibilty to not be a brain-dead flag worshiping sissy and use the standards of war a common decentcy we followed for 250 years. You don't start and offensive war. You don't lie to do it either.

Nobody said anything about BELIEVING in what you're fighting for. If you don't like what this country requires in order for you to live here, then leave. Don't live here. If you're going to live here, you have to abide by the rules. The rules aren't that you must believe that your country is infalible.

<edited to be respectable and decent>

Oh, ok so I guess we are all supposed to pick up M16s, and charge without having a clue for what we are fighting for? That's the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard in a long time. War is a very serious thing and no one should EVER take a cause of war for granted or just believe that the war is just because some politician tells them it is. This is the most outrageous point of view on this subject ever!

get out of this country, you communist spy!!! you don't deserve to live here like i do!!!!

It's not Commies anymore its Islamic Fundies.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
as a US Navy veteran, all these threads-posts by young americans that are not willing to serve their country annoy me

but i guess it has always been the case that a tiny percentage of the people actually give a crap about defending the freedom of the huge percentage of people that aren't willing to do it

don't let the door hit you on the way out, there are plenty of people wanting to come to this country and take your place and enjoy the freedom that the US Miltary defends

Korean Vet here.

I enlisted and could not agree with you more.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: waggy
If you cant/wont do your duty when asked then you shouldn't live here.

I would agree if the U.S. was being attacked such as what happened at Pearl Harbor, but choosing not to fight in Iraq is suddenly not "doing your duty"? That's bogus. If someone does not support the war in Iraq and chooses not to fight there they should be allowed to stay out of the fight. People are individuals, not drones of the state to be called up whenever some politician decides to invade a country.

No matter what the cause, your country is calling for your help. For the exchange of your living here and enjoying your freedom to hate the U.S. for being so "free", they ask that you serve if you're called. Is that too much to ask, for all you stupid asshats?

No matter the cause the Nazis were only being partiots for the fatherland right?

Your post has about as much content as WMD's in Iraq but I'll just say it's everymans responsibilty to not be a brain-dead flag worshiping sissy and use the standards of war a common decentcy we followed for 250 years. You don't start and offensive war. You don't lie to do it either.

Nobody said anything about BELIEVING in what you're fighting for. If you don't like what this country requires in order for you to live here, then leave. Don't live here. If you're going to live here, you have to abide by the rules. The rules aren't that you must believe that your country is infalible.

<edited to be respectable and decent>

A soldiers FIRST sworn duty is to defend the Constitution of these United States, nowhere is the oath deos it say cow-tow to President Bush and his PNAC co-conpsriators/carpetbaggers.

Article VI of the United States Constitution states "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."


Now lets look at some of these treaties they are sworn to defend.

Bush invaded a sovereign nation which posed no imminent threat to the United States of America ? violated both the United Nations Charter and the Principles of the Nuremberg Tribunal which is breach of contract and in fact unconstitutional I would even argue treasonous if they bothered to read it.

The Constitution does say any and all treaties, right? Then if you don't like what the current government is doing, don't vote for them next time. Or impeach the pres to get him out of office. Dodging the draft because you don't like what the government is doing is just ass backwards.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: FoBoT
as a US Navy veteran, all these threads-posts by young americans that are not willing to serve their country annoy me

but i guess it has always been the case that a tiny percentage of the people actually give a crap about defending the freedom of the huge percentage of people that aren't willing to do it

don't let the door hit you on the way out, there are plenty of people wanting to come to this country and take your place and enjoy the freedom that the US Miltary defends

Korean Vet here.

I enlisted and could not agree with you more.

I'm the first male in my generation of my family not to serve, since my family immigrated here from Russia when the country was removed from the power of the Tzars. I have no problem serving, but I'm not physically fit (and I prolly got a couple of screws loose too). They didn't like what the country was doing, so they left. That's exactly what needs to happen with all the anti-draft idiots.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: FoBoT
as a US Navy veteran, all these threads-posts by young americans that are not willing to serve their country annoy me

but i guess it has always been the case that a tiny percentage of the people actually give a crap about defending the freedom of the huge percentage of people that aren't willing to do it

don't let the door hit you on the way out, there are plenty of people wanting to come to this country and take your place and enjoy the freedom that the US Miltary defends

Korean Vet here.

I enlisted and could not agree with you more.

I'm the first male in my generation of my family not to serve, since my family immigrated here from Russia when the country was removed from the power of the Tzars. I have no problem serving, but I'm not physically fit (and I prolly got a couple of screws loose too). They didn't like what the country was doing, so they left. That's exactly what needs to happen with all the anti-draft idiots.

Well there never be a draft unles someone like china attacks us, then they won't need one, so it's a mute point.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: jadinolf

Originally posted by: FoBoT
as a US Navy veteran, all these threads-posts by young americans that are not willing to serve their country annoy me

but i guess it has always been the case that a tiny percentage of the people actually give a crap about defending the freedom of the huge percentage of people that aren't willing to do it

don't let the door hit you on the way out, there are plenty of people wanting to come to this country and take your place and enjoy the freedom that the US Miltary defends

Korean Vet here.

I enlisted and could not agree with you more.

I'm the first male in my generation of my family not to serve, since my family immigrated here from Russia when the country was removed from the power of the Tzars. I have no problem serving, but I'm not physically fit (and I prolly got a couple of screws loose too). They didn't like what the country was doing, so they left. That's exactly what needs to happen with all the anti-draft idiots.

Well there never be a draft unles someone like china attacks us, then they won't need one, so it's a mute point.

I know. I am in no fear of there being a draft instituted for this. The notorious draft-scare comes up any time this country does ANYTHING with the military and I'm tired of the ignorant people. I have my draft card 3 feet away from me in my desk cubby. I can see it. 🙂

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: waggy
If you cant/wont do your duty when asked then you shouldn't live here.

I would agree if the U.S. was being attacked such as what happened at Pearl Harbor, but choosing not to fight in Iraq is suddenly not "doing your duty"? That's bogus. If someone does not support the war in Iraq and chooses not to fight there they should be allowed to stay out of the fight. People are individuals, not drones of the state to be called up whenever some politician decides to invade a country.

No matter what the cause, your country is calling for your help. For the exchange of your living here and enjoying your freedom to hate the U.S. for being so "free", they ask that you serve if you're called. Is that too much to ask, for all you stupid asshats?

No matter the cause the Nazis were only being partiots for the fatherland right?

Your post has about as much content as WMD's in Iraq but I'll just say it's everymans responsibilty to not be a brain-dead flag worshiping sissy and use the standards of war a common decentcy we followed for 250 years. You don't start and offensive war. You don't lie to do it either.

Nobody said anything about BELIEVING in what you're fighting for. If you don't like what this country requires in order for you to live here, then leave. Don't live here. If you're going to live here, you have to abide by the rules. The rules aren't that you must believe that your country is infalible.

<edited to be respectable and decent>

Therefore, if you live here, it is your responsiblity to do your civic duty under the law of the land. If that means you drive 20 in a school zone, you drive 20 in a school zone. If that means you have to wait until you're 18 in order to vote, you wait until you're 18 in order to vote. If that means you serve because of a draft, uou serve because of a draft.

Your analogies are deeply flawed. Category A will be laws which allows the government to exercise force against me. Category B will be laws that keep me from exercising force against someone else, or in the case of voting also laws relating to sufferage.

The draft goes into category A. Your other laws go into category B.

Laws in category A are only acceptable for people who violate laws in category B. In order for the state to exercise force against my rights I must violate the rights of others. If I do not, then the state has no right to force me to do anything. I own my self, my time, my energies, and my talents.

The majority of a nation should never be able to pass laws in order to exercise unwarrented force against a minority. It goes against their human rights to do with their time what they please.

 

[Ronstang]

Well there never be a draft unles someone like china attacks us, then they won't need one, so it's a mute point

Why is that dumbass.....you think China stands a chance against the US? Dream on, they don't even have the ability to project force beyond their own continent unless they lob nuclear missiles, which they wouldn't even have it they wouldn't have been allowed to steal that technology from the US. If China started a war with the US we would simply conventionl carpet bomb them back into the stoneage (which wouldn't take much).

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Well there never be a draft unles someone like china attacks us, then they won't need one, so it's a mute point

Why is that dumbass.....you think China stands a chance against the US? Dream on, they don't even have the ability to project force beyond their own continent unless they lob nuclear missiles, which they wouldn't even have it they wouldn't have been allowed to steal that technology from the US. If China started a war with the US we would simply conventionl carpet bomb them back into the stoneage (which wouldn't take much).

They didn't have to steal it. Clinton sold it to them for campaign money. 🙂

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: waggy
If you cant/wont do your duty when asked then you shouldn't live here.

I would agree if the U.S. was being attacked such as what happened at Pearl Harbor, but choosing not to fight in Iraq is suddenly not "doing your duty"? That's bogus. If someone does not support the war in Iraq and chooses not to fight there they should be allowed to stay out of the fight. People are individuals, not drones of the state to be called up whenever some politician decides to invade a country.

No matter what the cause, your country is calling for your help. For the exchange of your living here and enjoying your freedom to hate the U.S. for being so "free", they ask that you serve if you're called. Is that too much to ask, for all you stupid asshats?

No matter the cause the Nazis were only being partiots for the fatherland right?

Your post has about as much content as WMD's in Iraq but I'll just say it's everymans responsibilty to not be a brain-dead flag worshiping sissy and use the standards of war a common decentcy we followed for 250 years. You don't start and offensive war. You don't lie to do it either.

Nobody said anything about BELIEVING in what you're fighting for. If you don't like what this country requires in order for you to live here, then leave. Don't live here. If you're going to live here, you have to abide by the rules. The rules aren't that you must believe that your country is infalible.

<edited to be respectable and decent>

Therefore, if you live here, it is your responsiblity to do your civic duty under the law of the land. If that means you drive 20 in a school zone, you drive 20 in a school zone. If that means you have to wait until you're 18 in order to vote, you wait until you're 18 in order to vote. If that means you serve because of a draft, uou serve because of a draft.

Your analogies are deeply flawed. Category A will be laws which allows the government to exercise force against me. Category B will be laws that keep me from exercising force against someone else, or in the case of voting also laws relating to sufferage.

The draft goes into category A. Your other laws go into category B.

Laws in category A are only acceptable for people who violate laws in category B. In order for the state to exercise force against my rights I must violate the rights of others. If I do not, then the state has no right to force me to do anything. I own my self, my time, my energies, and my talents.

The majority of a nation should never be able to pass laws in order to exercise unwarrented force against a minority. It goes against their human rights to do with their time what they please.

lol, okay 🙂

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Well there never be a draft unles someone like china attacks us, then they won't need one, so it's a mute point

Why is that dumbass.....you think China stands a chance against the US? Dream on, they don't even have the ability to project force beyond their own continent unless they lob nuclear missiles, which they wouldn't even have it they wouldn't have been allowed to steal that technology from the US. If China started a war with the US we would simply conventionl carpet bomb them back into the stoneage (which wouldn't take much).

You're the dumbass who thinks they would attack us now. Give it 30 years and read red dragon rising to shore up you're ignorance.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Well there never be a draft unles someone like china attacks us, then they won't need one, so it's a mute point

Why is that dumbass.....you think China stands a chance against the US? Dream on, they don't even have the ability to project force beyond their own continent unless they lob nuclear missiles, which they wouldn't even have it they wouldn't have been allowed to steal that technology from the US. If China started a war with the US we would simply conventionl carpet bomb them back into the stoneage (which wouldn't take much).

You're the dumbass who thinks they would attack us now. Give it 30 years and read red dragon rising to shore up you're ignorance.

HAHAHAHAHA.....has your psychiatrist talked with you about dilusions and strange lttle voices? You people crack me up.

 

[Zee]

there wont be a draft because US is the attacking nation. Like someone said before, whichever politician tries to institute a draft is asking to be unemployed.


As for the righteous pricks bashing on all the "young americans", attacking Iraq is not serving the country and protecting our freedom and fighting against terrorism. It's Bush on a power trip riding on the waves of 9-11.