Lobbying for Armegeddon - more wacko christian right-wingnuts

[robphelan]

This preacher Hagee really drives me nuts. He's head of what's presumed the richest congregation in san antonio. the more you donate, the closer to the front you get to sit. I personally know a family who donates tens of thousands and is in his "Inner Circle".

When a local Catholic Bishop was being held prisoner by a man with a hand grenade, Hagee called from Hawaii where he was vacationing to express his concern to the news media. His followers are blind. That makes him especially dangerous.

nutbag

 

[Genx87]

Guess we do need a bash christians thread for the day. I suppose this one will do?

 

[OrByte]

that is pretty nuts.

 

[robphelan]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Guess we do need a bash christians thread for the day. I suppose this one will do?

no.. i am Christian.. Catholic to be exact.. this is just the bash extreme right wing Christian thread for the day.

quotes from the religious right - meet the religious right

 

[alchemize]

Sure, there are loonies out there in every religion. I'm more worried about the ones that are run by David Koresh-like nuts but with huge amounts of followers (like say - Islam), than tiny sects of christianity. Seems the left is more worried about rampant nativity scenes run amok.

 

[robphelan]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sure, there are loonies out there in every religion. I'm more worried about the ones that are run by David Koresh-like nuts but with huge amounts of followers (like say - Islam), than tiny sects of christianity. Seems the left is more worried about rampant nativity scenes run amok.

the problem is there aren't a whole lot of david koresh-like high ranking politicians , or multi-millionaires in the US. There are far more extreme right-wingers in positions of power here.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: robphelan

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sure, there are loonies out there in every religion. I'm more worried about the ones that are run by David Koresh-like nuts but with huge amounts of followers (like say - Islam), than tiny sects of christianity. Seems the left is more worried about rampant nativity scenes run amok.

the problem is there aren't a whole lot of david koresh-like high ranking politicians , or multi-millionaires in the US. There are far more extreme right-wingers in positions of power here.

Far more than what? Let's assume (elected politicians) right wingers get EVERYTHING they want. Abortion becomes illegal and homosexual marriages become unconstitutional (from your second link). I'm sorry - I fail to see the "armageddon".

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: robphelan

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sure, there are loonies out there in every religion. I'm more worried about the ones that are run by David Koresh-like nuts but with huge amounts of followers (like say - Islam), than tiny sects of christianity. Seems the left is more worried about rampant nativity scenes run amok.

the problem is there aren't a whole lot of david koresh-like high ranking politicians , or multi-millionaires in the US. There are far more extreme right-wingers in positions of power here.

Far more than what? Let's assume (elected politicians) right wingers get EVERYTHING they want. Abortion becomes illegal and homosexual marriages become unconstitutional (from your second link). I'm sorry - I fail to see the "armageddon".

wonder what their punishment would be for particularly heinous crime of sex before marriage...

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sure, there are loonies out there in every religion. I'm more worried about the ones that are run by David Koresh-like nuts but with huge amounts of followers (like say - Islam), than tiny sects of christianity. Seems the left is more worried about rampant nativity scenes run amok.

The David Koresh types don't wield nearly the power that the Armageddon Lobbyists do.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: robphelan

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sure, there are loonies out there in every religion. I'm more worried about the ones that are run by David Koresh-like nuts but with huge amounts of followers (like say - Islam), than tiny sects of christianity. Seems the left is more worried about rampant nativity scenes run amok.

the problem is there aren't a whole lot of david koresh-like high ranking politicians , or multi-millionaires in the US. There are far more extreme right-wingers in positions of power here.

Far more than what? Let's assume (elected politicians) right wingers get EVERYTHING they want. Abortion becomes illegal and homosexual marriages become unconstitutional (from your second link). I'm sorry - I fail to see the "armageddon".

you are an imbecile if you think it would stop at that, and obviously have no knowledge of human nature

 

[kylebisme]

The fact is that the Armageddon lobbyists and their supporters want this war to rage on as they feel it brings them that much closer to the Rapture.

 

[Termagant]

the more you donate, the closer to the front you get to sit.

Isn't this the case in some synagogues? I have heard this before and don't think it's unique to "Armageddon loving right wing fundies."

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: robphelan

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sure, there are loonies out there in every religion. I'm more worried about the ones that are run by David Koresh-like nuts but with huge amounts of followers (like say - Islam), than tiny sects of christianity. Seems the left is more worried about rampant nativity scenes run amok.

the problem is there aren't a whole lot of david koresh-like high ranking politicians , or multi-millionaires in the US. There are far more extreme right-wingers in positions of power here.

Far more than what? Let's assume (elected politicians) right wingers get EVERYTHING they want. Abortion becomes illegal and homosexual marriages become unconstitutional (from your second link). I'm sorry - I fail to see the "armageddon".

you are an imbecile if you think it would stop at that, and obviously have no knowledge of human nature

I see, clearly you are far too brilliant and insightful into human nature :roll:

Let's look back at the history of the US, shall we? When has gay marriage ever been legal? Yet we've MUCH more religion in the past than we do now (remember prohibition?). At one time abortion was illegal also.

Spare me your knee jerk reactions, they bruise my shins.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sure, there are loonies out there in every religion. I'm more worried about the ones that are run by David Koresh-like nuts but with huge amounts of followers (like say - Islam), than tiny sects of christianity. Seems the left is more worried about rampant nativity scenes run amok.

The David Koresh types don't wield nearly the power that the Armageddon Lobbyists do.

Power that "armegeddon lobbyists" wield? Pah-lease...why don't you show some legislation that the "armageddon lobbyists" pushed or helped passed. Or perhaps a candidate they "supported" that did - anything - in their favor.

Good luck, I'll check back with bells on... :roll:

 

[ccbadd]

You know, if you look at the beliefs of David Koresh, it does look at lot like the writings of Mohammed. Religious crazies are just that, CRAZY!

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sure, there are loonies out there in every religion. I'm more worried about the ones that are run by David Koresh-like nuts but with huge amounts of followers (like say - Islam), than tiny sects of christianity. Seems the left is more worried about rampant nativity scenes run amok.

The David Koresh types don't wield nearly the power that the Armageddon Lobbyists do.

Power that "armegeddon lobbyists" wield? Pah-lease...why don't you show some legislation that the "armageddon lobbyists" pushed or helped passed. Or perhaps a candidate they "supported" that did - anything - in their favor.

Good luck, I'll check back with bells on... :roll:

The candidates and legislation are countless beyond mention at this point, and the results are a matter of geographical fact.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: robphelan

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sure, there are loonies out there in every religion. I'm more worried about the ones that are run by David Koresh-like nuts but with huge amounts of followers (like say - Islam), than tiny sects of christianity. Seems the left is more worried about rampant nativity scenes run amok.

the problem is there aren't a whole lot of david koresh-like high ranking politicians , or multi-millionaires in the US. There are far more extreme right-wingers in positions of power here.

Far more than what? Let's assume (elected politicians) right wingers get EVERYTHING they want. Abortion becomes illegal and homosexual marriages become unconstitutional (from your second link). I'm sorry - I fail to see the "armageddon".

you are an imbecile if you think it would stop at that, and obviously have no knowledge of human nature

Exactly, hell the Texas wing nuts banned cleavage today.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sure, there are loonies out there in every religion. I'm more worried about the ones that are run by David Koresh-like nuts but with huge amounts of followers (like say - Islam), than tiny sects of christianity. Seems the left is more worried about rampant nativity scenes run amok.

The David Koresh types don't wield nearly the power that the Armageddon Lobbyists do.

Power that "armegeddon lobbyists" wield? Pah-lease...why don't you show some legislation that the "armageddon lobbyists" pushed or helped passed. Or perhaps a candidate they "supported" that did - anything - in their favor.

Good luck, I'll check back with bells on... :roll:

The candidates and legislation are countless beyond mention at this point, and the results are a matter of geographical fact.

I thought this was about right-wing Christians? Ah - no response to my logic but you can't resist...
:music:Trolling, trolling, all the live long day... :music:

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Termagant

the more you donate, the closer to the front you get to sit.

Isn't this the case in some synagogues? I have heard this before and don't think it's unique to "Armageddon loving right wing fundies."

You just hit on the basis for religion in general; power, and wealth.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I thought this was about right-wing Christians? Ah - no response to my logic but you can't resist...
:music:Trolling, trolling, all the live long day... :music:

With all due respect Alc, looks to me like you're the one trolling. First you attack the OP as Christian bashing, even though it focuses specifically on one preacher whom he characterizes as one of the "wacko christian [sic] right-wingnuts" (presumably a small subset of all Christians). You then suggest the agenda of the extreme right-wing Christians is limited to abortion and gay marriage. Sure. I'm confident you really know their agenda is far broader, and in some ways more insidious than that: censorship, "morality", sexuality and contraception, science, education, separation of church and state, etc. ad nauseum. There's even a looney fringe, albeit rather vocal and influential, that wants a full-scale conflagration in the Middle East because they believe it will lead to the literal Armegeddon. I'm pretty confident you know that already, too.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: alchemize
I thought this was about right-wing Christians? Ah - no response to my logic but you can't resist...
:music:Trolling, trolling, all the live long day... :music:

With all due respect Alc, looks to me like you're the one trolling. First you attack the OP as Christian bashing, even though it focuses specifically on one preacher whom he characterizes as one of the "wacko christian [sic] right-wingnuts" (presumably a small subset of all Christians). You then suggest the agenda of the extreme right-wing Christians is limited to abortion and gay marriage. Sure. I'm confident you really know their agenda is far broader, and in some ways more insidious than that: censorship, "morality", sexuality and contraception, science, education, separation of church and state, etc. ad nauseum. There's even a looney fringe, albeit rather vocal and influential, that wants a full-scale conflagration in the Middle East because they believe it will lead to the literal Armegeddon. I'm pretty confident you know that already, too.

With all due respect, bow, I never accused the OP of christian bashing.

My examples were purely that, I suggested no such thing. Again, no different than that agenda has been for the last 200 years. But let's assume all the "insidious" things you bring up are implemented as well. So we bring our country back to say, 1950? Maybe 1920? We're still about a thousand years ahead of 80% of the world. Far from armageddon...

But since you seem to buy into this "armageddon lobby" tinfoilery too, prove to me one single influential action taken, be it policy, legislation, or court decision, that was "influenced" by this lunatic fringe. Please be specific...Snowman says they are countless, ought to be able to find just one, right?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: alchemize
I thought this was about right-wing Christians? Ah - no response to my logic but you can't resist...
:music:Trolling, trolling, all the live long day... :music:

With all due respect Alc, looks to me like you're the one trolling. First you attack the OP as Christian bashing, even though it focuses specifically on one preacher whom he characterizes as one of the "wacko christian [sic] right-wingnuts" (presumably a small subset of all Christians). You then suggest the agenda of the extreme right-wing Christians is limited to abortion and gay marriage. Sure. I'm confident you really know their agenda is far broader, and in some ways more insidious than that: censorship, "morality", sexuality and contraception, science, education, separation of church and state, etc. ad nauseum. There's even a looney fringe, albeit rather vocal and influential, that wants a full-scale conflagration in the Middle East because they believe it will lead to the literal Armegeddon. I'm pretty confident you know that already, too.

With all due respect, bow, I never accused the OP of christian bashing.

I apologize. You're absolutely right, it was Genx87.

My examples were purely that, I suggested no such thing. Again, no different than that agenda has been for the last 200 years. But let's assume all the "insidious" things you bring up are implemented as well. So we bring our country back to say, 1950? Maybe 1920? We're still about a thousand years ahead of 80% of the world. Far from armageddon...

You said, "Let's assume (elected politicians) right wingers get EVERYTHING they want. Abortion becomes illegal and homosexual marriages become unconstitutional ..." IMO, that pretty clearly suggest those are the only items, or at least the only significant items on their agenda. While these are the big wedge issues they use to herd the sheeple, their wishlist is far longer and more intrusive.

But since you seem to buy into this "armageddon lobby" tinfoilery too, prove to me one single influential action taken, be it policy, legislation, or court decision, that was "influenced" by this lunatic fringe. Please be specific...Snowman says they are countless, ought to be able to find just one, right?

Invasion of Iraq? Israel's attack on Lebanon? Do you deny that some high-profile evangelicals want Armegeddon and see a full-scale ME war as a prerequisite? I don't claim that they caused Iraq and Israel, but who knows how much their influence shapes and supports our ME policies? In any case, they certainly have had a significant impact on our internal politics and policies, e.g., in some of the areas I listed, and that is the point.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

But since you seem to buy into this "armageddon lobby" tinfoilery too, prove to me one single influential action taken, be it policy, legislation, or court decision, that was "influenced" by this lunatic fringe. Please be specific...Snowman says they are countless, ought to be able to find just one, right?

Invasion of Iraq? Israel's attack on Lebanon? Do you deny that some high-profile evangelicals want Armegeddon and see a full-scale ME war as a prerequisite? I don't claim that they caused Iraq and Israel, but who knows how much their influence shapes and supports our ME policies? In any case, they certainly have had a significant impact on our internal politics and policies, e.g., in some of the areas I listed, and that is the point.

Hogwash. I asked for proof, you supply innuendo. Need I remind you of the senate vote authorizing force in Iraq? Perhaps this armageddon lobby has invaded the democrat party as well eh?

And Jews don't believe in armageddon or revalations or any of that rapture bunk - they are old testament only remember?

These armageddon types are fringe, and wield no power, lobbyist or otherwise. I dismiss your claim as without evidence or merit, just like I did the OP's and follow up posters. G'day!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sure, there are loonies out there in every religion. I'm more worried about the ones that are run by David Koresh-like nuts but with huge amounts of followers (like say - Islam), than tiny sects of christianity. Seems the left is more worried about rampant nativity scenes run amok.

Perhaps you could explain, then, how your paranoia is any different than theirs. How do you define tiny and huge and how does one go to the other. Do you sit around and twiddle your thumbs till something becomes so large you become alarmed? How is your reaction to reactors to these Christian sects any different than their reactions. It looks just as knee jerk to me.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

But since you seem to buy into this "armageddon lobby" tinfoilery too, prove to me one single influential action taken, be it policy, legislation, or court decision, that was "influenced" by this lunatic fringe. Please be specific...Snowman says they are countless, ought to be able to find just one, right?

Invasion of Iraq? Israel's attack on Lebanon? Do you deny that some high-profile evangelicals want Armegeddon and see a full-scale ME war as a prerequisite? I don't claim that they caused Iraq and Israel, but who knows how much their influence shapes and supports our ME policies? In any case, they certainly have had a significant impact on our internal politics and policies, e.g., in some of the areas I listed, and that is the point.

Hogwash. I asked for proof, you supply innuendo. Need I remind you of the senate vote authorizing force in Iraq? Perhaps this armageddon lobby has invaded the democrat party as well eh?
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These armageddon types are fringe, and wield no power, lobbyist or otherwise. I dismiss your claim as without evidence or merit, just like I did the OP's and follow up posters. G'day!

I think you know better, but so be it. G'day to you as well.