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Llano Demo

Llano needs to get used for notebooks.

Its fine they used the bobcats for netbooks.... but put the Llano in a notebook, and then compair the powerdraw to a equal performance cpu/gpu and their powerdraw.

People that do game abit on their notebooks, a Llano could probably be enough for the resolutions those laptop monitors run at, for most games.

Mops the floor with the HD3000, here comes Z68 and SB iGP overclocking fests to the rescue.
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Yes up to x2-3 IGP performance of the HD3000, and uses less watts too in the video when compaired to the Intel i7 with its IGP HD3000.
 
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I'm rather impressed if that is a legitimate demonstration. The specs seemed relatively comparable, though I'm not sure on the price of the A8-3510MX (That is one hell of a mouth full if it is the marketing name) or where that model falls in the line up compared to the 2630QM.

I would fully expect the Llano to be obliterated in a CPU intense comparison, or any system with a dedicated GPU. I for one am fully prepared/excited to actually have competition in the volume laptop market.

We will see though, with the exception of the rendering and perhaps the video I would be shocked if sandy bridge doesn't wipe the floor in benchmarks (and thus reviews/public perception). Might make a nice casual gaming notebook though.
 
I think AMD can carve out an entire section of the laptop market with Llano. If they can sell it cheap enough, they can also hurt intel pretty bad at the low end. Imagine a $500 budget laptop with actually good graphics capabilities and a quad core CPU.

They need to show idle power consumption though.

Edit: the video shows AMD at 29W when idle and Intel at 34W. On the one hand, AMD is actually lower. On the other hand, 29W is insane for a laptop.
 
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I hope they can attain better near idle power draw, otherwise they will be in deep trouble again. However, the combination sounds perfect for a laptop: nice midrange GPU, and a quad core using less power than Intel's current solution? Incredible! How I hope it to be true... 🙂
 
Hmm, I'm not sure there's much of a market for something like this yet. Perhaps after a couple more gens.

Regular joes don't give a crap, and lower power draw is better for them and the bottom-barrel batteries that come with the $399 walmart level laptops.

Enthusiasts are gonna want a decent dedicated video card, even better if it supports switching to integrated graphics to save power in low-usage scenarios.
 
Should have used the Intel Core i7-2635QM as the turbo boost on the Intel Core i7-2630QM is low . Also Memory specs should have been published as the speed for intel notebooks is 1600 . As for power draw Have to wait for reviews sites to get notebooks that are configured Apples to apples. Intels best against AMDs best. I see they did say frame rates wereabout even . But so much smoother . We will see. After the zacata demo in dec . I lol at AMDs configurring an intel system .
 
Impressive showing of AMD's new architecture --- it will be interesting to see how the final product looks.

It was always pretty clear that AMD's GPU performance was going to be better-- AMD's Llano CPU has essentially a 480 stream processor Radeon in there; or about 60% of a 4850 HD assuming similar clockspeeds, whereas Intel has its new, hyper beefed up Intel GPU, which is a much much better version of a very slow integrated GPU.

What will be interesting is how the final Llano CPU performs - right now it looks like an Athlon II series CPU with double the L2 cache - decent, but unexciting even by today's standards.

ShadowVVL said:
well how much power does a laptop monitor pull ?

im looking forward to desktop llano.
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I don't think that's included, but I may be wrong.
 
grimpr said:
Mops the floor with the HD3000, here comes Z68 and SB iGP overclocking fests to the rescue.
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Not in notebooks . But on desktops it will be interesting. Intels HD3000 has already successfully O/Ced to 1.9ghz. and the performance increase was very good. Time will tell all .
 
Arkaign said:
Regular joes don't give a crap, and lower power draw is better for them and the bottom-barrel batteries that come with the $399 walmart level laptops.
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Somehow I think more efficient cheap platforms will end up with even cheaper batteries instead of longer battery life.
 
I figured they used laptop screens, but they might be using external monitors.

10-15W /w mon, wow mobile monitors use less power then I thought.
 
Zap said:
Somehow I think more efficient cheap platforms will end up with even cheaper batteries instead of longer battery life.
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Or you can think of it as if they keep all else the same cheaper entry level systems will start having decent battery life.
 
ShadowVVL said:
I figured they used laptop screens, but they might be using external monitors.

10-15W /w mon, wow mobile monitors use less power then I thought.
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LED backlighting.

I'm pretty sure my 17" 1920x1200 CCFL Insipron 9300 back in the day used to pull about 20W or so when idle for the whole system. With LED and a smaller screen, that number should come way down.

My 23" CCFL 1080p eIPS Dell U2311H uses 31W standard and around 25W when calibrated. It is extremely impressive how efficient displays are nowadays.
 
drizek said:
I think AMD can carve out an entire section of the laptop market with Llano. If they can sell it cheap enough, they can also hurt intel pretty bad at the low end. Imagine a $500 budget laptop with actually good graphics capabilities and a quad core CPU.
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It will bring back a much needed rennaisance in affordable pc gaming for sure, lots more gpus will be sold, more games produced etc. Llano is a vehicle chip.
 
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Nemesis 1 said:
Not in notebooks . But on desktops it will be interesting. Intels HD3000 has already successfully O/Ced to 1.9ghz. and the performance increase was very good. Time will tell all .
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Any good links? I'd be interested in seeing this...
 
Nemesis 1 said:
As for power draw Have to wait for reviews sites to get notebooks that are configured Apples to apples. Intels best against AMDs best.
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I would argue that an apples to apples should be on the parameter what people comparison shop on .... price.

It's no secret Intel's best CPUs are better than AMD's best CPUs... and they're priced like it too. Comparing best to best is not really apples to apples.

It's like comparing Chevy to Hyundai and pitting a V8 Corvette against a Genesis Turbo. Yeah, you can compare them as the best each has to offer in terms of performance, but one is $50k and the other is $25k... they don't really compete with each other, and people aren't exactly cross shopping these models. The more realistic comparison would be a Genesis Turbo against Chevy's hopped up Cobalt or a Camaro, where price are comparable and performance comparisons much closer.

Anyway it's not like we don't already know the result... AMD will have better GPU performance, and WAY better driver & game support for their GPU and Intel will have better CPU performance, and continue to have driver issues with certain games.

The more interesting thing is to see if at least AMD has been able to close the gap in power consumption. This has been the real sore spot for AMD mobile. Such a killer that they really couldn't even price themselves into more marketshare.
 
maybe i'll find a notebook i actually like when this thing hits.

srsly, either the laptop is small w/ good battery life but crappy graphics, or the laptop is ginormous w/ terrible battery life. the only company which gets those requirements right is apple, but i'm not about to drop $3000 on a computer.

15" decent resolution (non glossy is ++) ~<5 lbs 6+ hours and enough oomph to casually MMO or not be terrible at a friendly LAN and maybe $800 or so?
 
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grimpr said:
It will bring back a much needed rennaisance in affordable pc gaming for sure, lots more gpus will be sold, more games produced etc. Llano is a vehicle chip.
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Indeed. I know a fair number of people who I would call an "average" home computer user. Looking for a computer that is #1 cheap, but they want their kids to be able to have some fun with it, or cheap is #2 and #1 is small / laptop / all-in-one style (i.e. too small for PCI-e slots).

Intel's ghastly marketing decision to pair the HD3000 graphics with only the K series processors means anyone looking for a small home PC or all-in-one is looking at HD2000. There's zero chance that the people I'm talking about will move up in price to a 2500k (if it's even offered in that form factor). Llano becomes the only game in town.

It's not a revolutionary CPU, but it should be able to bring up the baseline PC dramatically in terms of what developers can comfortably make "wide appeal" games for.
 
ElFenix said:
maybe i'll find a notebook i actually like when this thing hits.

srsly, either the laptop is small w/ good battery life but crappy graphics, or the laptop is ginormous w/ terrible battery life.

15" decent resolution ~5 lbs 6+ hours and enough oomph to casually MMO or not be terrible at a friendly LAN.
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System integrators in general have a habit of inflating all other system specs when all you want is a better GPU. i3 + 6850, for example is really not a bad combo for games, but find a Dell, HP, Sony, etc... that even offer a 6850 and you can only get it paired with a $1500 Socket 1366 machine 😕 .

The mobile side is just as bad, possibly even worse, since the CPU / GPU disparity is even bigger with the "mobile" version of a 68xx being more like a desktop 5770 than a 58xx or 68xx. They make you move to an i7 and 17" screen just to even have the option of the equivalent of a 5770 GPU. It's really pretty ridiculous.
 
Nemesis 1 said:
Should have used the Intel Core i7-2635QM as the turbo boost on the Intel Core i7-2630QM is low . Also Memory specs should have been published as the speed for intel notebooks is 1600 . As for power draw Have to wait for reviews sites to get notebooks that are configured Apples to apples. Intels best against AMDs best. I see they did say frame rates wereabout even . But so much smoother . We will see. After the zacata demo in dec . I lol at AMDs configurring an intel system .
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This was a demo, not a review. Demo's rarely (if ever?) include full system specs, or any system specs at all beyond the highest level (This is Llano vs Sandy Bridge i7-2630QM).

I agree that it would be disingenuous if the systems aren't comparably configured, but you can't really expect full system disclosure until reviews actually start to come out.
 
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