Living Wages

[SmCaudata]

Good article here that breaks down need for living wages.

Why living wages should be a priority as the pandemic continues

A living wages enables employees to improve their overall quality of life, which in turn decreases turnover rates and improves worker retention.

www.businessinsider.com

I think that the Democrats need to abandon the "minimum wage" language in favor of living wages. Use some formula based off of cost of living within reasonable commute radius that doesn't require a car. Companies that don't provide pension would have to pay more so that employees can save for retirement. I'd prefer to have a more robust social security, but we all know that the Republicans cannot be trusted to not raid the piggy bank.

 

[nickqt]

Good article here that breaks down need for living wages.

Why living wages should be a priority as the pandemic continues

A living wages enables employees to improve their overall quality of life, which in turn decreases turnover rates and improves worker retention.

www.businessinsider.com

I think that the Democrats need to abandon the "minimum wage" language in favor of living wages. Use some formula based off of cost of living within reasonable commute radius that doesn't require a car. Companies that don't provide pension would have to pay more so that employees can save for retirement. I'd prefer to have a more robust social security, but we all know that the Republicans cannot be trusted to not raid the piggy bank.

It doesn't matter what you call it. Minimum wage, living wage, fair wage, etc.

If it helps people who aren't already rich, then it's socialism or communism or fascism or any kind of ism that sounds scary to people who don't know what those words mean. And it's scary because rich people have trained them to be scared of the words.

 

[brycejones]

If people won't work 3 jobs then they can eat cake.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Good article here that breaks down need for living wages.

Why living wages should be a priority as the pandemic continues

A living wages enables employees to improve their overall quality of life, which in turn decreases turnover rates and improves worker retention.

www.businessinsider.com

I think that the Democrats need to abandon the "minimum wage" language in favor of living wages. Use some formula based off of cost of living within reasonable commute radius that doesn't require a car. Companies that don't provide pension would have to pay more so that employees can save for retirement. I'd prefer to have a more robust social security, but we all know that the Republicans cannot be trusted to not raid the piggy bank.

The core problem is no one can rationally define "living wages"


They like to think living wage should be enough to afford a 2 bedroom apartment, and enough to support children while single.

Good luck with that, morons. Christ, God forbid expecting someone to live with a roommate like any sane rational personal did whenever they went to college.... No no no... Demand wages enough for a full house for delivering papers or bagging groceries.

This is why we need to increase the voting age because you have to be a complete child to think of this shit.

 

[brycejones]

The core problem is no one can rationally define "living wages"


They like to think living wage should be enough to afford a 2 bedroom apartment, and enough to support children while single.

Good luck with that, morons. Christ, God forbid expecting someone to live with a roommate like any sane rational personal did whenever they went to college.... No no no... Demand wages enough for a full house for delivering papers or bagging groceries.

This is why we need to increase the voting age because you have to be a complete child to think of this shit.

Irony......can you tell us more how people shouldn’t behave like children please?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Good article here that breaks down need for living wages.

Why living wages should be a priority as the pandemic continues

A living wages enables employees to improve their overall quality of life, which in turn decreases turnover rates and improves worker retention.

www.businessinsider.com

I think that the Democrats need to abandon the "minimum wage" language in favor of living wages. Use some formula based off of cost of living within reasonable commute radius that doesn't require a car. Companies that don't provide pension would have to pay more so that employees can save for retirement. I'd prefer to have a more robust social security, but we all know that the Republicans cannot be trusted to not raid the piggy bank.

Look to ballot initiatives. It’s interesting that Florida went red but raised the minimum wage, yet in California, voters basically blocked Uber and Lyft drivers from receiving benefits since they’re “contractors”.

 

[Greenman]

Look to ballot initiatives. It’s interesting that Florida went red but raised the minimum wage, yet in California, voters basically blocked Uber and Lyft drivers from receiving benefits since they’re “contractors”.

Also voted against affirmative action, against increased property tax on corporations, and allowing some 17 year old's to vote. There is a lot of red in California's deep blue.

 

[Bitek]

Good article here that breaks down need for living wages.

Why living wages should be a priority as the pandemic continues

A living wages enables employees to improve their overall quality of life, which in turn decreases turnover rates and improves worker retention.

www.businessinsider.com

I think that the Democrats need to abandon the "minimum wage" language in favor of living wages. Use some formula based off of cost of living within reasonable commute radius that doesn't require a car. Companies that don't provide pension would have to pay more so that employees can save for retirement. I'd prefer to have a more robust social security, but we all know that the Republicans cannot be trusted to not raid the piggy bank.

The core problem is no one can rationally define "living wages"


They like to think living wage should be enough to afford a 2 bedroom apartment, and enough to support children while single.

Good luck with that, morons. Christ, God forbid expecting someone to live with a roommate like any sane rational personal did whenever they went to college.... No no no... Demand wages enough for a full house for delivering papers or bagging groceries.

This is why we need to increase the voting age because you have to be a complete child to think of this shit.

This has been a debate for close to twenty years. Living wage was the discussion in GWB first term and it went nowhere really for the reason S1M highlights. It's not really definable, there is not a specific existing legal lever to pull, and too easily gets painted as socialistic govt handouts.

Min wage increase is easy. Just adjust current state or federal laws. Plenty of historical precedent to do so without freaking people out.

This is where Ds need to be more tactically competent if they want stuff done.

M4A isn't going to happen for same reason. Changing Medicare enrollment age or allowing buy in is attainable.

But trying to push for Bernie's socialistic utopia isn't politically viable and not where the electorate is.

 

[MrSquished]

This has been a debate for close to twenty years. Living wage was the discussion in GWB first term and it went nowhere really for the reason S1M highlights. It's not really definable, there is not a specific existing legal lever to pull, and too easily gets painted as socialistic govt handouts.

Min wage increase is easy. Just adjust current state or federal laws. Plenty of historical precedent to do so without freaking people out.

This is where Ds need to be more tactically competent if they want stuff done.

M4A isn't going to happen for same reason. Changing Medicare enrollment age or allowing buy in is attainable.

But trying to push for Bernie's socialistic utopia isn't politically viable and not where the electorate is.

Definitely a public option is what I want to see. I'd immediately buy in. My sister and brother in laws GP mentioned to them he now prefers working with Medicare patients because it's just less of a headache than private insurers who try to haggle everything, approve or disapprove of tests in confusing manners, etc...

 

[theeedude]

Look to ballot initiatives. It’s interesting that Florida went red but raised the minimum wage, yet in California, voters basically blocked Uber and Lyft drivers from receiving benefits since they’re “contractors”.

They are contractors though. Benefits should come from the state, not private sector, and certainly not by classifying contractors working their own hours as employees.

 

[Starbuck1975]

They are contractors though. Benefits should come from the state, not private sector, and certainly not by classifying contractors working their own hours as employees.

The gig economy works by circumventing the labor laws that are in place to protect certain classes of workers. Given that we’ve proven that remote learning and remote work can work, maybe we should just contract out education. Who needs culinary unions, we can just contract chefs in communal kitchens that the uber eats delivery drivers distribute. How far do you want to go with this?

 

[cytg111]

The core problem is no one can rationally define "living wages"


They like to think living wage should be enough to afford a 2 bedroom apartment, and enough to support children while single.

Good luck with that, morons. Christ, God forbid expecting someone to live with a roommate like any sane rational personal did whenever they went to college.... No no no... Demand wages enough for a full house for delivering papers or bagging groceries.

This is why we need to increase the voting age because you have to be a complete child to think of this shit.

I entertain the same line of reasoning albeit this way around : You are not eligible to vote the first 18 years of your life, neither should you be for the last 18 years of your life.
Give it a couple of minutes, run through the logic, implications, I am sure you'll find it fair.

 

[ivwshane]

Look to ballot initiatives. It’s interesting that Florida went red but raised the minimum wage, yet in California, voters basically blocked Uber and Lyft drivers from receiving benefits since they’re “contractors”.

Also voted against affirmative action, against increased property tax on corporations, and allowing some 17 year old's to vote. There is a lot of red in California's deep blue.

I don’t think that is going on at all. Both initiatives were horribly worded. The affirmative action prop made it sound like you were voting for racism.

I’m guessing Californians, like most Americans aren’t that informed on the issues and aren’t willing or capable of researching them.

 

[Juiblex]

Certain jobs aren't supposed to be living wage. They are just supplemental income for students. Living wages come from career jobs. Flipping Burgers at McDonalds shouldn't be a living wage as it shouldn't be a career. If that is your career choice, you fail in life.

Suzie to Mom when she is 13... "Mom! I want to be a McDonalds fry lady when I grow up." Mom to Suzie, "Good choice Suzie, that is a very honorable position like Nurses, Teachers, and Firefighters."

 

[ivwshane]

This has been a debate for close to twenty years. Living wage was the discussion in GWB first term and it went nowhere really for the reason S1M highlights. It's not really definable, there is not a specific existing legal lever to pull, and too easily gets painted as socialistic govt handouts.

Min wage increase is easy. Just adjust current state or federal laws. Plenty of historical precedent to do so without freaking people out.

This is where Ds need to be more tactically competent if they want stuff done.

M4A isn't going to happen for same reason. Changing Medicare enrollment age or allowing buy in is attainable.

But trying to push for Bernie's socialistic utopia isn't politically viable and not where the electorate is.

It would be pretty easy to define a living wage. We already have a National poverty rate as well as state poverty rates. Simply use a multiple*states poverty rate. To set the federal level use the national average rate * a multiplier.

 

[Jaskalas]

Certain jobs aren't supposed to be living wage. They are just supplemental income for students. Living wages come from career jobs. Flipping Burgers at McDonalds shouldn't be a living wage as it shouldn't be a career. If that is your career choice, you fail in life.

Take care of housing, and Basic Income would cover the "living" part. Those "certain jobs" you speak of could still be allowed to pay scraps.
Wage slavery is eliminated by a fully formed safety net. Otherwise, half measures necessarily force the government into violating and or dictating contracts between employers and employees. You achieve greater freedom by pursuing a "far left" policy.

 

[Xcobra]

I don’t think that is going on at all. Both initiatives were horribly worded. The affirmative action prop made it sound like you voting for racism.

I’m guessing Californians, like most Americans aren’t that informed on the issues and aren’t willing or capable of researching them.

I was going to post this. Just because it's a blue state, doesn't mean its population is intelligent and fully informed. In this case, I'd agree on the "both sides" argument 🤣

 

[Starbuck1975]

I don’t think that is going on at all. Both initiatives were horribly worded. The affirmative action prop made it sound like you voting for racism.

I’m guessing Californians, like most Americans aren’t that informed on the issues and aren’t willing or capable of researching them.

Or it could be that the electorate is complex, which is why you can have red staters in FL foaming at the mouth about socialism and yet vote for a minimum wage hike, and you can have a blue state like CA both reject affirmative action AND vote in favor of tech companies over the people they employ.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Certain jobs aren't supposed to be living wage. They are just supplemental income for students. Living wages come from career jobs. Flipping Burgers at McDonalds shouldn't be a living wage as it shouldn't be a career. If that is your career choice, you fail in life.

Suzie to Mom when she is 13... "Mom! I want to be a McDonalds fry lady when I grow up." Mom to Suzie, "Good choice Suzie, that is a very honorable position like Nurses, Teachers, and Firefighters."

How wonderfully righteous of you.

Living wage equals a wage that allows for a basic standard of living and no reliance on government assistance to make that happen. If a business can't pay their employees enough, and the government has to fill the gap, that's corporate welfare.

 

[sandorski]

40 Hours of Work/Week should afford a Single Person to live independently. That includes being able to find a Living Space at no more than 30% of their Income.

 

[theeedude]

The gig economy works by circumventing the labor laws that are in place to protect certain classes of workers. Given that we’ve proven that remote learning and remote work can work, maybe we should just contract out education. Who needs culinary unions, we can just contract chefs in communal kitchens that the uber eats delivery drivers distribute. How far do you want to go with this?

If people get health benefits from the state instead of full time employer, I don't have a problem with any of these, if that's what the market decides.

 

[theeedude]

Certain jobs aren't supposed to be living wage. They are just supplemental income for students. Living wages come from career jobs. Flipping Burgers at McDonalds shouldn't be a living wage as it shouldn't be a career. If that is your career choice, you fail in life.

Suzie to Mom when she is 13... "Mom! I want to be a McDonalds fry lady when I grow up." Mom to Suzie, "Good choice Suzie, that is a very honorable position like Nurses, Teachers, and Firefighters."

It's a food service job, there is nothing dishonorable about it.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Certain jobs aren't supposed to be living wage. They are just supplemental income for students. Living wages come from career jobs. Flipping Burgers at McDonalds shouldn't be a living wage as it shouldn't be a career. If that is your career choice, you fail in life.

Suzie to Mom when she is 13... "Mom! I want to be a McDonalds fry lady when I grow up." Mom to Suzie, "Good choice Suzie, that is a very honorable position like Nurses, Teachers, and Firefighters."

and this is the lie we are all sold. just because a burger flipper isn't a glamorous or necessarily career-level job doesn't mean it shouldn't be able to provide enough income for someone to afford a basic standard of living. why should someone need to work 2 or 3 jobs to afford an apartment, food, and some basic transportation?