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Little sis distracts you from video games? Kill her.

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DLeRium said:
EVEN if an adult were to do this, first degree isnt the answer. People who take games this seriously are obviously messed up. It's like the people who game too much where their kids die. It's NOT first degree. They're stupid and unfit parents sure, but how does this compare to a planned murder?
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Except when your parents hatch a plan that says, "Son... if you don't say you did it, then mommy and daddy are going to prison and you'll have no where to live. Besides, you're 13, a minor... you say you did it, you get a slap on the wrist and everybody walks free. You tell them the truth, then I kill you too just like your little sister."

The wrinkle is they're charging him as an adult.
 
zinfamous said:
you people are fucking insane. I doubt that the kid had murder on his mind.

consider that the mother was only a few years older than her son is now when she gave birth to him. Speculating on her mothering skills, and perhaps those that she gained from her parents, she probably isn't the best example.

more than anything, the kid was frustrated and certainly acted in a stupid manner, but I doubt he had malice in his heart, much less any notion that shaking the baby was inherently wrong--do you think perhaps this was a learned behavior?
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At 13, you know right from wrong, you know about death. The kid was fucked in the head and if it wasnt the baby, it wouldve eventually been someone else, or he would've been a hardcore druggy or robber or rapist or serial killer or some other shit. Some people are just wired wrong and there's not much you can do about it.

Some go 30 40 or 50 years before they snap, this kid did it at 13. Death sentence and move on. Whats the other option? "Rehabilitate" him in prison, let'em out in 15 years and wait for the the next incident?
 
Chiropteran said:
How come child molesters can't use that excuse?

"She is 13, but I am treating her as an adult in this case."
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LookBehindYou said:
At 13, you know right from wrong, you know about death. The kid was fucked in the head and if it wasnt the baby, it wouldve eventually been someone else, or he would've been a hardcore druggy or robber or rapist or serial killer or some other shit. Some people are just wired wrong and there's not much you can do about it.

Some go 30 40 or 50 years before they snap, this kid did it at 13. Death sentence and move on. Whats the other option? "Rehabilitate" him in prison, let'em out in 15 years and wait for the the next incident?
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Do you realize what the kid did (based on the apparent evidence)? He picked the baby up and shook it. He didn't throw it against a wall or hit it. Judging by a lot of responses in this thread, quite a few intelligent, adult ATOTers didn't even realize that shaking a baby can have such serious consequences. Is it your opinion that this 13 year old was intimately familiar with the causes and effects of SBS?
 
How the fuck can you not know that shaking a baby is going to cause bad things to happen. There truly is some dumb fucks in this world.
 
Cheesetogo said:
Do you realize what the kid did (based on the apparent evidence)? He picked the baby up and shook it. He didn't throw it against a wall or hit it. Judging by a lot of responses in this thread, quite a few intelligent, adult ATOTers didn't even realize that shaking a baby can have such serious consequences. Is it your opinion that this 13 year old was intimately familiar with the causes and effects of SBS?
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Picture that in your mind for a moment. Anyone who would pick up anyone, especially an infant and VIOLENTLY shake them to the point that it kills them or causes brain damage, is doing so out of rage with the intention of inflicting damage or to kill.

Come on, its not like he grabbed the baby's shoulder and shook it a few times like you would if you were trying to wake someone up.

People need to have some common sense here.
 
It could have been something else besides videogames; he could have been trying to fix his bike or watch a football game or anything else and the crying baby still would have interrupted his concentration, therefore provoking his anger.

I also don't think he thought of the severe consequences of his actions; the child was obviously still alive afterwards, so it very well may have seemed as though he didn't do any harm and finally got it to be quiet. Maybe he wasn't taught how to properly care for his younger sibling; there are details you don't know.

I think it's pretty harsh to summarize this story as a case of cold-blooded murder in the hands of a 13 year old boy.
 
LookBehindYou said:
Picture that in your mind for a moment. Anyone who would pick up anyone, especially an infant and VIOLENTLY shake them to the point that it kills them or causes brain damage, is doing so out of rage with the intention of inflicting damage or to kill.

Come on, its not like he grabbed the baby's shoulder and shook it a few times like you would if you were trying to wake someone up.

People need to have some common sense here.
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You've never heard the term 'blind rage'??
As a mother I can tell you that even for an adult sometimes things get pretty tense when you have a child that does not. stop. crying. A 13 year old who had a teenage mother most likely had little, if any, kind of example of solid parenting. He isn't going to have the parenting skills and maturity to walk away when needed, much less deal with the situation rationally. And if he was already torqued from video game death, he's on even less stable footing. (Some people, unfortunately, DO take that kind of stuff *that* seriously.) I'm not defending what he did by any stretch but to say his intention was to kill her and that he was aware of what he was doing is being purposefully ignorant.
 
So, we have millions of 13 and 14 year olds out there babysitting their very young siblings, and we have once instance where an assclown goes off and kills his 9 month old sister and it's the parents' fault?

you know how many 13 and 14 year olds babysit not just their siblings but kids that aren't theirs? Millions.
 
1. 13 year old is pretty young to be taking care of a 9 month old for any extended period of time. This would require a lot of feeding and diaper changes.....things a 13 year old probably isn't going to do very well.

2. The 13 year old got frustrated at the game, and the noise of the kid, etc. He's probably frustrated about life in general just looking at him. Likely is fat outcast that gets picked on (purely speculation on that though).

It's a really sad situation for everyone. The kid should have known better than to do that to a baby, but I really doubt he meant to kill her. It was probably more like he just lost his temper for a few seconds.
 
khon said:
No way that's first degree murder.

Obviously no pre-meditation here, and I very much doubt he even intended to kill her. Plus this is no adult, just a 13-year old kid.

Sounds like a frustated teenager who didn't know what he was doing, and tragic accidental death. Maybe you charge him with manslaughter, but certainly no more than that.
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Came in to say this to all the knee-jerkers who will surely come in to say what a monster this kid was and society and blah blah blah.
 
LookBehindYou said:
Picture that in your mind for a moment. Anyone who would pick up anyone, especially an infant and VIOLENTLY shake them to the point that it kills them or causes brain damage, is doing so out of rage with the intention of inflicting damage or to kill.

Come on, its not like he grabbed the baby's shoulder and shook it a few times like you would if you were trying to wake someone up.

People need to have some common sense here.
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You'd be amazed how little effort it takes to cause serious damage in cases of Shaken Baby. It is certainly not a new phenomenon at all. Has been going on for millions of years. You forget that infant mortality rates were absurd just a hundred years ago and back then they didn't do autopsy for cause because there were about a billion things that could kill them and a vast majority of them were completely unknown. Most people didn't even go to hospitals back then.
 
LookBehindYou said:
At 13, you know right from wrong, you know about death. The kid was fucked in the head and if it wasnt the baby, it wouldve eventually been someone else, or he would've been a hardcore druggy or robber or rapist or serial killer or some other shit. Some people are just wired wrong and there's not much you can do about it.

Some go 30 40 or 50 years before they snap, this kid did it at 13. Death sentence and move on. Whats the other option? "Rehabilitate" him in prison, let'em out in 15 years and wait for the the next incident?
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yes....that is a perfectly rational leap of logic that you are making there.

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LookBehindYou said:
Picture that in your mind for a moment. Anyone who would pick up anyone, especially an infant and VIOLENTLY shake them to the point that it kills them or causes brain damage, is doing so out of rage with the intention of inflicting damage or to kill.

Come on, its not like he grabbed the baby's shoulder and shook it a few times like you would if you were trying to wake someone up.

People need to have some common sense here.
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agreed.

now go back, read your posts, and start applying some of your own.

and since you seem to have missed my earlier link, and also exhibit a great deal of ignorance when it comes to infants, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontanelle

this isn't rocket science.
 
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