List the mistakes/wrong choices of...

zsdersw

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Republicans and/or groups/persons associated with or closely aligned on policy with Republicans.

Bonus points if you're normally sympathetic toward or supportive of Republicans and you choose to identify their wrong-doings.

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Democrats and/or groups/persons associated with or closely aligned on policy with Democrats.

Bonus points if you're normally sympathetic toward or supportive of Democrats and you choose to identify their wrong-doings.
 
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cwjerome

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I really don't understand the point of these topics. Why do we always have to associate opinions and positions with a political party?

Who cares about political parties, what do YOU think and why? Bonus points if you don't pay attention to party dictates and don't associate with them either.
 

dmcowen674

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List the mistakes/wrong choices of...

Republicans and/or groups/persons associated with or closely aligned on policy with Republicans.

Bonus points if you're normally sympathetic toward or supportive of Republicans and you choose to identify their wrong-doings.

-AND-

Democrats and/or groups/persons associated with or closely aligned on policy with Democrats.

Bonus points if you're normally sympathetic toward or supportive of Democrats and you choose to identify their wrong-doings.

Only one thing on Dem side but it a biggie.

Clinton should have never signed NAFTA.
 

brandonb

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Both sides do some equally bad things in my opinion. Since both parties usually feed off one another, both are guilty of the following.

1) Republicans unnecessarily want to have a large military and cause conflict around the world. We are not the world police. We have no threat that requires 11 aircraft carriers. How often do we use more than 3 in any conflict in the last 30+ years? Lets reduce the military and our spending as its not needed. Lets float like a butterfly and sting like a bee to make a point. We don't need to send in the hive. Democrats don't do much to change this. Obama wants to reduce the military spending but from 11 carriers to 10? Remove our troops from Iraq? What about Afghanistan and what about the potential conflict with Iran? Both parties are equally as stupid when it comes to foreign policy and our military.

2) Turn a blind eye towards domestic issues and point fingers at each other. Healthcare didn't quite work out, but Obama points the finger are republicans. Sure republicans are being jerks, but rather than working with them we have this stubborn atmosphere in the parties were if we compromise, we are "in bed with the enemy". Republicans and Democrats should not considers each other the enemy, but rather hurdles to overcome. Democrats do the same thing like the Wisconsin governor issue, and the Democrats leaving the state because they do not want to discuss the matter. All the while the people of this country deal with a deadlock and we make no progress in any direction. Both parties are equally guilty of doing this.

3) Both parties pass laws which restrict our rights, be it ban guns, or ban same sex unions. Patriot act, and domestic spying. Clinton started with warentless wiretaps, Bush created the patriot act. Both parties since keep pushing these agendas and are just as guilty as one another in limiting our freedoms as time goes on. We don't need a nanny state, we don't need to protect our security by terrorists with all that nonsense. Bad things happen. I could die today by a truck running me over, a coworker going postal, a terrorist denoating a bomb in a bus. We don't need the government to restrict us and "protect us" in the manner they are doing it that creates and breeds an atmosphere of fear. The more they restrict us, the chances of people going postal increases, the chances of domestic terrorism rising against the state and government which could put me in the crossfire. That is more dangerous than what some extremist muslims might do to me. Both parties are doing this.

4) Both are doing equally nothing to address the way our economy is structured. We are land of the free and home of the brave, but what about jobs? Both parties think the way to fix the economy is to spend tax payers dollars, and create jobs. But that just puts more burden on the tax payers (and middle class) which is going to shrink the middle class. Yet they pass laws like NAFTA, which eliminates increased revenue from outside countries to pay for goods transferred and places the burden on them, and not us, for economy. Both parties are doing nothing to address this.

5) Illegal Immigration and imigration policy.

6) Bailing out corporations, banks, automakers, whatever.

7) Jobs going to India, and minimium wage.

8) NASA, better yet, ignoring it.

9) Cost of schools.

10) Political correctness or mind control.

I could go on but I'm getting sick of typing. Good day.
 
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zsdersw

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I really don't understand the point of these topics. Why do we always have to associate opinions and positions with a political party?

Who cares about political parties, what do YOU think and why? Bonus points if you don't pay attention to party dictates and don't associate with them either.

The point is to get past the typical Democrats-only-criticize-Republicans and Republicans-only-criticize-Democrats dynamic that is played out ad nauseum on this forum.

It is far too rare for someone who is generally sympathetic toward or supportive of Republicans to start a thread that's critical of Republicans... or for someone who is generally sympathetic toward or supportive of Democrats to start a thread that's critical of Democrats.
 
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MotF Bane

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I tend to lean right, so I'll criticize the Republicans.

The party kowtows entirely too much to religion, letting social conservatism largely run the party. Religion does not belong in the government. A candidate should not be proclaiming that they were called by god to run for office, besides, haven't they ever read Matthew 6:1-18?

Keeping gays from marrying will not preserve some mystical sanctity of marriage. What consenting adults do with each other in their own bedrooms is their business, not anyone else's.
 

zsdersw

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I tend to lean right, so I'll criticize the Republicans.

The party kowtows entirely too much to religion, letting social conservatism largely run the party. Religion does not belong in the government. A candidate should not be proclaiming that they were called by god to run for office, besides, haven't they ever read Matthew 6:1-18?

Keeping gays from marrying will not preserve some mystical sanctity of marriage. What consenting adults do with each other in their own bedrooms is their business, not anyone else's.

:thumbsup:
 

woolfe9999

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Clinton signing off on deregulating Wall Street, getting rid of Glass-Steagall. The list of dem mistakes is long, but that's the largest one in recent memory based on its tangibly negative impact.
 

monovillage

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I'll join in, I lean Right, sometimes I lean so hard I almost fall.

The GOP should be supportive of gay/lesbian marriages.
Stop trying to overturn Roe vs. Wade.
Free trade only when it's to our advantage.
Don't try to become Democrat lite, big government shouldn't be in the GOPs vocabulary.
Try to work harder with Ron Paul's supporters.
 

ichy

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Republicans:

Evangelical social conservatives. I would probably consider myself a Republican if it weren't for the fact that the GOP hopped in bed with the American Taliban in the 1980s and hasn't looked back. I could NEVER vote for a candidate who kisses up to creationists or who believes that abortion should be illegal.

Democrats:
Illegal immigrants
The Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton race-baiting crowd
Trial lawyers
 

Cerb

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Free trade with economic competitors, while said competitors do not reciprocate (IE, China).

Voting for themselves, so that they can abide by different rules that everyone else.

Not following the will of their constituents.

Consistently voting to undermine the Constitution's intents.

Constantly wanting to spend more than we can provide.

Kicking the can down the road at every opportunity, increasing the burden of those that follow them, while calling it progress.
 

Atreus21

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Republicans and/or groups/persons associated with or closely aligned on policy with Republicans.

Bonus points if you're normally sympathetic toward or supportive of Republicans and you choose to identify their wrong-doings.

-AND-

Democrats and/or groups/persons associated with or closely aligned on policy with Democrats.

Bonus points if you're normally sympathetic toward or supportive of Democrats and you choose to identify their wrong-doings.

Bush should never have bailed out anyone.

Bush should never have tried to do the Iraq war on the cheap, although I'm not sure if that's more accurately put at Rumsfeld's feet than Bush's.

Republicans as a whole should be more sympathetic to drug legalization.

The National Right to Life organization should actually do something substantive about, you know, actually trying to outlaw abortion.

Clinton should stop saying he ever ran a surplus.
 

woolfe9999

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I'll add Obama's "crackdown" on medical marijuana, after initially signaling that he would ease off. Maybe not the most important issue to the country, but this one pissed me off.
 

zanejohnson

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Both sides do some equally bad things in my opinion. Since both parties usually feed off one another, both are guilty of the following.

1) Republicans unnecessarily want to have a large military and cause conflict around the world. We are not the world police. We have no threat that requires 11 aircraft carriers. How often do we use more than 3 in any conflict in the last 30+ years? Lets reduce the military and our spending as its not needed. Lets float like a butterfly and sting like a bee to make a point. We don't need to send in the hive. Democrats don't do much to change this. Obama wants to reduce the military spending but from 11 carriers to 10? Remove our troops from Iraq? What about Afghanistan and what about the potential conflict with Iran? Both parties are equally as stupid when it comes to foreign policy and our military.

2) Turn a blind eye towards domestic issues and point fingers at each other. Healthcare didn't quite work out, but Obama points the finger are republicans. Sure republicans are being jerks, but rather than working with them we have this stubborn atmosphere in the parties were if we compromise, we are "in bed with the enemy". Republicans and Democrats should not considers each other the enemy, but rather hurdles to overcome. Democrats do the same thing like the Wisconsin governor issue, and the Democrats leaving the state because they do not want to discuss the matter. All the while the people of this country deal with a deadlock and we make no progress in any direction. Both parties are equally guilty of doing this.

3) Both parties pass laws which restrict our rights, be it ban guns, or ban same sex unions. Patriot act, and domestic spying. Clinton started with warentless wiretaps, Bush created the patriot act. Both parties since keep pushing these agendas and are just as guilty as one another in limiting our freedoms as time goes on. We don't need a nanny state, we don't need to protect our security by terrorists with all that nonsense. Bad things happen. I could die today by a truck running me over, a coworker going postal, a terrorist denoating a bomb in a bus. We don't need the government to restrict us and "protect us" in the manner they are doing it that creates and breeds an atmosphere of fear. The more they restrict us, the chances of people going postal increases, the chances of domestic terrorism rising against the state and government which could put me in the crossfire. That is more dangerous than what some extremist muslims might do to me. Both parties are doing this.

4) Both are doing equally nothing to address the way our economy is structured. We are land of the free and home of the brave, but what about jobs? Both parties think the way to fix the economy is to spend tax payers dollars, and create jobs. But that just puts more burden on the tax payers (and middle class) which is going to shrink the middle class. Yet they pass laws like NAFTA, which eliminates increased revenue from outside countries to pay for goods transferred and places the burden on them, and not us, for economy. Both parties are doing nothing to address this.

5) Illegal Immigration and imigration policy.

6) Bailing out corporations, banks, automakers, whatever.

7) Jobs going to India, and minimium wage.

8) NASA, better yet, ignoring it.

9) Cost of schools.

10) Political correctness or mind control.

I could go on but I'm getting sick of typing. Good day.

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Mursilis

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Republicans:

Evangelical social conservatives. I would probably consider myself a Republican if it weren't for the fact that the GOP hopped in bed with the American Taliban in the 1980s and hasn't looked back. I could NEVER vote for a candidate who kisses up to creationists or who believes that abortion should be illegal.

You do understand, I hope, that there is a secular case to be made for a ban on abortion. You don't have to agree with it, of course, but please stop this pretending that only religious people are pro-life, or that a reasonable, non-religious case against abortion can't be made.
 

ichy

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You do understand, I hope, that there is a secular case to be made for a ban on abortion. You don't have to agree with it, of course, but please stop this pretending that only religious people are pro-life, or that a reasonable, non-religious case against abortion can't be made.

There may be a secular argument for a ban on abortion but the overwhelming majority of pro-lifers are religious. Non-religious pro-lifers are a fringe minority.
 

zanejohnson

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the major one on the Republican side for me is the world police. we're spending entirely too much money on defense spending....and it creates animosity towards us...

on the Democratic side, they need to push harder for more funding for education and infrastructure..at a time when we finally have a chance. no impending doom, unless we freaking start a war with Iran..let isreal handle its own problem...we are not there bitches. we need to look inwards at our own problems which are education and infrustructure...

both party's... corruption. its ridiculous that wall street execs can pay there way through laws and create loopholes while betting against our own country's people's mortgages to fail....and its considered a good thing for them..and the investors that buy the bonds making money by making people homeless.
 

Anarchist420

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The biggest problem I have with the Republicans is that they could've balanced the budget but they went along with everything Obama wanted to spend. They control the House of Representatives, so they ultimately control the purse strings. So the Republicans are to blame for the debt, not Obama.

The biggest problem I have with the Democrats is that they use class warfare by saying the rich aren't taxed enough, rather than making good use of it by advocating a reduction of expenditures for the wealthy.
 
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I'll explain Ron Paul:

1. It's a mistake to be racist.
2. He has no integrity (racists typically don't)
3. He is anti-Constitution since he wants to rip so much of it up.
4. He is anti-civil liberties since he believes that the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to the states.
5. He believes in a fake economic theory.
 

Mursilis

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There may be a secular argument for a ban on abortion but the overwhelming majority of pro-lifers are religious. Non-religious pro-lifers are a fringe minority.

All of which is irrelevant to the merits of the issue. The civil rights movement had heavy involvement from various religious communities, but that certainly didn't make it a bad thing.
 

MotF Bane

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I'll explain Ron Paul:

1. It's a mistake to be racist.
2. He has no integrity (racists typically don't)
3. He is anti-Constitution since he wants to rip so much of it up.
4. He is anti-civil liberties since he believes that the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to the states.
5. He believes in a fake economic theory.

He said criticize your own side, not spew off some tangential crap like you've been doing in every thread.
 

zsdersw

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Much to my lack-of-surprise, people like spidey07, Ausm, Craig234, and cybrsage have not posted in here.
 

Ausm

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Only one thing on Dem side but it a biggie.

Clinton should have never signed NAFTA.

I agree with this 100% and I would go further by saying it was also a HUGE mistake Clinton made by signing the repeal of the Glass-Steigall act.