list of whats in the HC Bill

OutHouse

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im really surprised that nobody has posted the contents of the HC bill. so here they are for your reading enjoyment.

this law will TAX the shit out of us. Fine us if we dont have insurance and fine us if we have "great" insurance... Im all for health reform but im sorry but this POS should never have passed.

http://online.wsj.com/article_email...37370275522704-lMyQjAxMTAwMDIwMjEyNDIyWj.html


The $940 billion health-care overhaul will take nearly a decade to roll out in full. A look at the key parts of the bill and when they go into effect.
2010

Coverage

* Subsidies begin for small businesses to provide coverage to employees.
* Insurance companies barred from denying coverage to children with pre-existing illness.
* Children permitted to stay on their parents' insurance policies until their 26th birthday.

2011

Coverage

* Set up long-term care program under which people pay premiums into system for at least five years and become eligible for support payments if they need assistance in daily living.

Taxes and fees

* Drug makers face annual fee of $2.5 billion (rises in subsequent years).

2013

Taxes and fees

* New Medicare taxes on individuals earning more than $200,000 a year and couples filing jointly earning more than $250,000 a year.
* Tax on wages rises to 2.35% from 1.45%.
* New 3.8% tax on unearned income such as dividends and interest.
* Excise tax of 2.3% imposed on sale of medical devices.

Cost control

* Medicare pilot program begins to test bundled payments for care, in a bid to pay for quality rather than quantity of services.

2014

Coverage

* Create exchanges where people without employer coverage, as well as small businesses, can shop for health coverage. Insurance companies barred from denying coverage to anyone with pre-existing illness.
* Requirement begins for most people to have health insurance. Subsidies begin for lower and middle-income people. People at 133% of federal poverty level pay maximum of 3% of income for coverage. People at 400% of poverty level pay up to 9.5% of income. (Poverty level currently is about $22,000 for a family of four.)
* Medicaid, the federal-state program for the poor, expands to all Americans with income up to 133% of federal poverty level.
* Subsidies for small businesses to provide coverage increase. Businesses with 10 or fewer employees and average annual wages of less than $25,000 receive tax credit of up to 50% of employer's contribution. Tax credits phase out for larger businesses.

Taxes and fees

* Employers with more than 50 employees that don't provide affordable coverage must pay a fine if employees receive tax credits to buy insurance. Fine is up to $3,000 per employee, excluding first 30 employees.
* Insurance industry must pay annual fee of $8 billion (rises in subsequent years).

Cost control

* Independent Medicare board must begin to submit recommendations to curb Medicare spending, if costs are rising faster than inflation.

2016

Taxes and fees

* Penalty for those who don't carry coverage rises to 2.5% of taxable income or $695, whichever is greater.

2017

Coverage

* Businesses with more than 100 employees can buy coverage on insurance exchanges, if state permits it.

2018

Taxes and fees

* Excise tax of 40% imposed on health plans valued at more than $10,200 for individual coverage and $27,500 for family coverage.

—Sources: House bill; Kaiser Family Foundation
 
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DesiPower

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... and introduce corruption that's gonna give African countries a run for their money
 

Fern

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2013
Cost control

* Medicare pilot program begins to test bundled payments for care, in a bid to pay for quality rather than quantity of services.

2014
Cost control

* Independent Medicare board must begin to submit recommendations to curb Medicare spending, if costs are rising faster than inflation.

Awesome cost control measures :thumbsup:

/sarcasm

Fern
 

cubeless

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2018

Taxes and fees

* Excise tax of 40% imposed on health plans valued at more than $10,200 for individual coverage and $27,500 for family coverage.

with inflation this is probably going to be a joke by then...
 

sportage

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this law will TAX the shit out of us. Fine us if we dont have insurance and fine us if we have "great" insurance...

So.. you say Im not paying NOW for that guy with no insurance in the ER getting treated and sent home with a $3000 bill. Or if admitted, sent home with a $100,000+ bill?
Yeah... Right...
 

ProfJohn

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When are my healthcare premiums going to drop???

Obama promised that it would happen.
 

bobsmith1492

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26 year olds are children now? Dang...

So I can remove myself from my company's coverage, have them pay me what they were paying for my health care, and get coverage from my parents for a couple more years. :D
 

Modelworks

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* Children permitted to stay on their parents' insurance policies until their 26th birthday.

Why stop there ? Why not till they are 40 ? Everyone who is 17 get on your parents insurance, you get a free ride over the rest of the suckers for 7 more years.


* Set up long-term care program under which people pay premiums into system for at least five years and become eligible for support payments if they need assistance in daily living.

Didn't we already have that ? What was it called I forget ?



* Drug makers face annual fee of $2.5 billion (rises in subsequent years).

And the drug makers will just pay that fee with money taken from executive pay cuts.

* Requirement begins for most people to have health insurance. Subsidies begin for lower and middle-income people. People at 133% of federal poverty level pay maximum of 3% of income for coverage. People at 400% of poverty level pay up to 9.5% of income. (Poverty level currently is about $22,000 for a family of four.)

We have that right now, it is called medicaid, they just increased the fee for those already on medicaid and bumped up the limits.


* Insurance industry must pay annual fee of $8 billion (rises in subsequent years).

If the fee rises enough nobody will have to worry about getting insurance, or maybe that is the plan.


* Independent Medicare board must begin to submit recommendations to curb Medicare spending, if costs are rising faster than inflation.

I guess they mean the independent board that is explicitly exempt from article 5 that all other government boards have to follow. The one about no oversight.



2018 ? Will the dollar even exist by then ?
 

flavio

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Worth it for what? The higher premiums?

I think they were talking about this->"Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted."
 

XZeroII

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I'm sorry, but how is this ANY better than what I have now? You've got to be insane to support this.
 

LTC8K6

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I think they were talking about this->"Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted."

So was I...
 

Deudalus

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Requirement begins for most people to have health insurance. Subsidies begin for lower and middle-income people. People at 133% of federal poverty level pay maximum of 3% of income for coverage. People at 400% of poverty level pay up to 9.5% of income. (Poverty level currently is about $22,000 for a family of four.)

That's what scares me.

Correct me if my math is wrong but that means someone making 88,000 per year can pay as high as 8,360 per year in insurance premiums.

So I'm making 185,000 per year right now. If the most they can charge me for insurance is 9.5% of my income then that means the most I can be legally charged is 17,575 dollars in premiums annually.

FUUUUUUCK YOU!
 
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