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Lion, tiger and bear, oh my! (PIC)

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norseamd said:
You are dumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY8vIB7MX6Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-ByFv5pGdA
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What are you trying to say, that the bigger thing will win 100% of the time?

News flash, you're dumb and know nothing:


Puma Kills 1,000 pound bear:
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http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cg...rpos=4&e=-------10--1----0lion+fights+bear+--


What are you trying to insinuate, that smaller things cant beat bigger things?
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80% of the things bears kill dont fight back via berries, honey, grass ect, 10% of the meat they eat are scavanged, and even less prey items are formidable as their primary food source literaly jumps into their mouths, their skills in fighting are ridculously poor for their size, and till date no records have been verified of their talk-about paw swipes, (they dont even use swipes as a striking tactitcs) just assumptions from idiots like you they can shatter bulls skulls...lol Thats why in 90% of the accounts a bull was pitted with a bear the bull gored, stomped and rag dolled him.

As for the puma, its no different from mike tyson, name me one guy mike fought who was smaller than him? Just because theres about a billion obese humans that out weigh mike by 300+ pounds, doesnt mean they can all whip Iron Mike, neither does mentioning bears who have 500+ pounds over a animal that will go directly for the throat...last time I checked, the fatter the bear the less movement in agility, dexterity and speed in terms defending his windpipe...increasing mass only makes it easier for the Puma to kill the bear whos neck is no more durable than a peice of paper to the 100% Killing machince.

http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photo...P6XxkgrgAm1T1UA1WnaSorDtzVBQ0ApSufWTh9gG0.jpg

Even donkeys have killed large wild bears. lol
 
We've went from a beautiful story about lions, tigers and bears living together to this shit. ATOT....where amazing never ceases. 🙄
 
Engineer said:
We've went from a beautiful story about lions, tigers and bears living together to this shit. ATOT....where amazing never ceases. 🙄
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What I've gathered is that as long as the tiger decides not to kill everyone at first, the lion and bear understand not to make the tiger angry, so that the three can co-exist. Naturally, the lion and bear know that they owe their lives to the tiger for sparing them.
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
What I've gathered is that as long as the tiger decides not to kill everyone at first, the lion and bear understand not to make the tiger angry, so that the three can co-exist. Naturally, the lion and bear know that they owe their lives to the tiger for sparing them.
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And yet, the leopard is the one who kills the tiger more than vice versa:

As I increased my group by bringing in new animals, of course, there were troubles. The creatures would fight, at times, and I had to make peace with the whip and the pistol. I have never used any red hot irons and don't approve of them. Sometimes a beast was killed. One of my very best performers is a leopard that has killed a cheetah, two boarhounds, a tiger and a polar bear,
http://books.google.com/books?id=-i...a=X&ei=DiqRU67xMI74oASHnoLgCQ&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA


Some supreme ruler there, the reason theres more accounts of leopards, lions and bears killing tigers is because of the tigers poor objective in fighting, leopards and pumas utilize their speed for insta kills, tigers avoid to much of the fight with stalk fighting with useless jabs, and since he is a bigger target to hit, the bears endurance usually leads to taking him down and killing him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfjMfnIZ14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_PHs-kbypo
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
Well... there's a leopard, a lion and a bear living at the pleasure of the tiger, of course.
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But quick as the Bengal tiger had been, the panther was quicker. All thought of Jealousy vanished at Eight of the attack on his mistress. Before the tiger coulduse tooth or claw the lithe, strong-limbed panther had launched himself right at the tiger's throat. Over and over on the floor of the cage the two great cats rolled. Ordinarily the panther ?would have been no match for the far larger tiger. But the panther had caught his grip first, settling his sharp, deep-biting teeth in the tiger's throat. This prevented the tiger's using his teeth effectually. But his claws, especially those on his strong hind legs, could be used. Again and again he struck out with them, ripping through the panther's skin like a soft glove. But he could not shake the deadly grip Chita had on his throat. Although he might be torn to pieces by the great claws. Chita meant to hold on until he felt his teeth meet in his opponent's windpipe. And through all the terrible struggle. Diogenes, the Numldlan lion, sat on his pedestal, lazy, goodnatured, only calmly Interested in the life and death fight of his fierce fellow pupils. "When the circus men separated the two big cats the Bengal tiger was dead, and the black panther, torn In twenty pieces, was dying. Carmen was unhurt, except for a few slight bruises caused by her fall on the floor of the cage.

~The San Francisco Call 3 July 1904 › Page 12
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...osure+fought&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&prmd=ivns&strip=1



Doesnt seem like pleasure to me, it seems like utter defeat.
 
Silver Prime said:
But quick as the Bengal tiger had been, the panther was quicker. All thought of Jealousy vanished at Eight of the attack on his mistress. Before the tiger coulduse tooth or claw the lithe, strong-limbed panther had launched himself right at the tiger's throat. Over and over on the floor of the cage the two great cats rolled. Ordinarily the panther would have been no match for the far larger tiger. But the panther had caught his grip first, settling his sharp, deep-biting teeth in the tiger's throat. This prevented the tiger's using his teeth effectually. But his claws, especially those on his strong hind legs, could be used. Again and again he struck out with them, ripping through the panther's skin like a soft glove. But he could not shake the deadly grip Chita had on his throat. Although he might be torn to pieces by the great claws. Chita meant to hold on until he felt his teeth meet in his opponent's windpipe. And through all the terrible struggle. Diogenes, the Numldlan lion, sat on his pedestal, lazy, goodnatured, only calmly Interested in the life and death fight of his fierce fellow pupils. "When the circus men separated the two big cats the Bengal tiger was dead, and the black panther, torn In twenty pieces, was dying. Carmen was unhurt, except for a few slight bruises caused by her fall on the floor of the cage.

~The San Francisco Call 3 July 1904 › Page 12
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...osure+fought&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&prmd=ivns&strip=1



Doesnt seem like pleasure to me, it seems like utter defeat.
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Your anecdote is an anomaly, not indicative of the natural order. Clearly. 🙄
 
Engineer said:
Are there any monkeys in this story and if so, how do they relate to the cycle of fear and order of power?
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I'm not absolutely sure, but one thing we can know with certainty is that the lion lived in sheer terror of them.

It's no coincidence that the lion was chosen to represent cowardice in the Wizard of Oz, for example.
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
I'm not absolutely sure, but one thing we can know with certainty is that the lion lived in sheer terror of them.

It's no coincidence that the lion was chosen to represent cowardice in the Wizard of Oz, for example.
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Could it be a coincidence that "The Great and Powerful Oz" is on Encore (watching it now) when you typed this? I think it's an omen!!!
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
Your anecdote is an anomaly, not indicative of the natural order. Clearly. 🙄
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Aww does that bother you that you have to face facts the tiger is no where in order of being called King, lost to leopards more than vice versa, is not larger than bears, or is held as High as the lion in healdry?

Other than being a beautiful animal, unique for being the only striped species of pantheras, lithe, passive and a renowned man eater, what exactly is his strong points? Sly, sneaky, ambushing coward...no qualitys of nobility, honor and power, as he is made an example by animals nearly 5x smaller than he is:


Scene at Wallace's Winter Quarters Outrivals Description Menagerie is In an Uproar. Special to News - Democrat Peru, Ind., Feb. 6. A battle to the death, amid the roaring of lions, tigers, jaguars, hyenas and bears, occurred in the rehearing area at one Hagenbeck - Wallace circus winter quarters a few days ago. The combatants were a big Bengal tiger and a young leopard, and the latter still lives, having clawed out the vitals of the larger beast. The conflict lasted fully thirty minutes and was witnessed by thirty men, all of whom were powerless to separate the combatants. The big tiger was the one seen In Hagenbeck's show at the St. Louis exposition and had always been hard to control. The tiger was valued at $1,000. Yesterday, for the first time this winter, the trainer, Philip Casting, attempted a rehearsal. All the animals used In the big act were brought into the arena and all seemed as tame as pets except the tiger. Immediately on reaching the arena the big brute became vicious and attempted to strike the trainer, who forced the animal Into a corner. Casting then went ahead with the rehearsal. As soon as his back was turned the tiger struck the leopard, which sat on a box near by. The smaller animals struck back and then the battle began. Twice the leopard fastened Its teeth In the tiger's neck and was thrown off. Anticipating a fierce struggle, Casting hurried the other animals out of the arena and then gave his attention to the fighting beasts. The tiger sprang at him and he was forced to quit the arena in order to escape with his life. The leopard tried to get away but was not quick enough. The tiger tossed the leopard In the air a couple of times and beat the smaller animal with Its large paws overthe head almost to Insensibility but finally the, smaller animal got its second wind and fought both ferociousness that was remarkable. While being held down the leopard clawed the tiger's breast until there were great wide gashes in the big ani mal, which soon began to weaken. Continuing its clawing, the leopard, finished its enemy by tearing out the tiger's vital organs. Then the leopard, torn and bleeding, fell exhausted beside the dead body of its adversary. The trainer and other attaches of the circus say the growls and howls and howls of the other animals during the battle were terrific and the excitement was intense.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...wspapers.com&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&prmd=ivns&strip=1

Ordinarily the tiger wins? Yes, that would be the general assumption, as everyone knows Leopard =120 cat, Tiger 400 lb cat...math suggest the bigger cat will win, but thats not the case in the deployment.


Sorry if this upsets you, but its better to face the truth than go on living in a fairy tale that tigers kill bull elephants and are called King of beast, sorry but theres only one King of the beast, and its not the striped member of the cat family, its the maned one.
 
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Cerpin Taxt said:
Indeed. I may just put that in my sig.

(Ninja edited, for the record. Clearly the original was a Freudian slip)
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lol You go do that, exactly where is the tiger in terms healdry? The lion is on almost every culture and nations flags for centurys and even going back to BC times:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flags_with_lions

The tiger is on less than 1/10th the amount the lion is, basically on what...only minor sports logos? lol More than half the people in india endowe the lions name as their own singh, whole citys are named after them in the tigers own back yard of asia, (Singapore means lion city), China has millions of lions statues 1000 to every one tiger statues, once replaced the tiger in the asian zodiac, and even has a holiday based off of him (The chinese newyear via lion dance pun. Hes not the best aquatic big cat...the jaguar is, not the fastest, the cheetah is, not the best fighter the lion is, the tiger is just the most beautiful (depedning on the individual) Sure, you can call him the King...the King of the defeated by other apex carnivores.

Evidently adult lions arnt even needed to kill tigers, their cubs and young juvi's can do it for them:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNlRBGq3rmk


Any young tigers killing adult male lions? None that you can provide, yet theres 4 accounts of not just leopards killing tigers, but young ones out gaming adult male....bengals, the current largest sub-species of tigers in the wild...


Ouch.
 
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Silver Prime said:
lol You go do that, exactly where is the tiger in terms healdry? The lion is on almost every culture and nations flags for centurys and even going back to BC times:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flags_with_lions

The tiger is on less than 1/10th the amount the lion is, basically on what...only minor sports logos? lol More than half the people in india endowe the lions name as their own singh, whole citys are named after them in the tigers own back yard of asia, (Singapore means lion city), China has millions of lions statues 1000 to every one tiger statues, once replaced the tiger in the asian zodiac, and even has a holiday based off of him (The chinese newyear via lion dance pun. Hes not the best aquatic big cat...the jaguar is, not the fastest, the cheetah is, not the best fighter the lion is, the tiger is just the most beautiful (depedning on the individual) Sure, you can call him the King...the King of the defeated by other apex carnivores.
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People know not to make graven images of wrathful gods. Duh. 🙄
 
Engineer said:
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It seems the only times tigers are formidable to a leopard is by pure ambush, or...when theres a hint of lion blood line in him:
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Exactly what male big cat passed on the genetics for making the largest panthera of all time? It was the lion, when a male tiger mated with a female tiger the fatest tiger was a mere 1025 lbs, only .25 percent heavier than the largest lion ever recorded, as Sultan (the lion) was bigger in visual size via height plus a mane that made him look 500 lbs heavier than Jaipur (obese tiger)...yet, when the male lion mated with the female tiger, it achived a size unheard of in tiger history...a liger of 1,600 lbs. How much is a tigon? Not even half that weight.

Male lions genes>Male tigers genes.

Of course that would only be obvious the lion is overall the bigger animal, since a composite tiger (combining all sub-species) the tiger is as heavy as a large jaguar at 360 lbs, a composite lion still easily clears the 420 lb mark...
 
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Cerpin Taxt said:
People know not to make graven images of wrathful gods. Duh. 🙄
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lol


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leopards have been known to attack an kill tigers
http://books.google.com/books?id=xz...X&ei=34iQUIHyAoXBiwL31oCoCA&ved=0CEsQ6AEwCDhk

Sure, the tiger is wrathfully dominant thats why. Almost every rahpsody of asia and historians have it as the gifts of lions from the west given to emperors, the lion is the one who defeated the native beast of Asian decent.


When people confined them together with tigers and leopards, they were astonished to discover that here was a creature which could subdue the most feared of China's wild animals — that ferocious man eater, the tiger.
http://www.taiwan-panorama.com/en/show_issue.php?id=199888708122E.TXT&table=2&cur_page=1&distype=


So china has it as Lion>Leopard>Tiger
 
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