Linux vs. Windoze - an experiment

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Eug

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Corel Linux 6.0 was the most painful install I have EVER attempted, and that includes Apple DOS, MS-DOS (multiple versions beginning at version 3 I think), Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2000, Mac OS 8, and BeOS.

I finally got it to work but I will never install Linux again until someone can actually create a version with widespread hardware support and a user friendly interface. I chose Corel, because it was supposedly the easiest, and there were drivers for my Promise Ultra 66.

Linux currently has no place in the home user market.
 

Poof

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Eug!!!!

For shame! ;)

Just because Corel fscked up doesn't mean all the linux distro installer interfaces are like that! Just go get Red Hat and call it a day... Red Hat's "RPM" package manager is pretty standard everywhere (save for Debian's .deb) and just about everyone's app supports it...
 

Soccerman

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heh, yeah Mandrake was pretty painless if you ask me.. 7.2 was easy as hell, though I don't have enough hard drive space, and I have a rare Hardware PCI modem (so I had to take an extra manual step when getting that running).
 

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IMHO there is no reason to go Linux, I prefer Free or Open BSD if I am installing a *nix on x86 hardware. Linux was created due to a lack of free OSes, but now we have a glut of them, and the BSDs feel, well, less cluttered then all the linux distributions. I suppose gong linux from scratch could correct that, but why take the time?
 

Poof

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Diffusion - I am running NetBSD at home (it's cracking and hosting a full Chat server - ie., UnrealIRCd). I found that learning linux first allowed me to take what I considered "the next step" into the *BSD world, which I'm hoping would allow me to go further towards something like Solaris or Tru64 (at least for me, it seemed a natural progression from the windoze world).

The *BSDs are not for the timid... that's for sure. But coming from Linux, it made alot of sense, had more support for the newest hardware (stuff that's only now available in the linux 2.4 kernel or via a patch to earlier kernels), and the kernel compiling for it was a snap! :)

 

Eug

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Heheh. Everyone is so damn polite here. I thought the responses to my post would be much more harsh. ;) :p

OOOPS!!! Actually it was Red Hat I should have been bitching about, not Corel. Corel didn't work though - it crashed whenever I tried to install it. I may be an idiot, but I couldn't get Mandrake to install either, but I didn't pursue it. I did manage to install Red Hat 6, partially because for my Promise there were drivers, but it was a big pain. Also, the interface for Red Hat 6.0's install was definitely not very pretty. The edge of the images was slightly off my screen and it looked like some of the designers had never ever set foot in a design class. It's the kind of stuff I see coming out of computer programmer dungeons - geekified but not very user friendly.

Actually, I have no problem with Linux per se, but I find that the simplification of the Mac OS and Windoze and all that "window" dressing is actually a good thing because morons like me can't figure out anything else. It's also a bit distressing when downloading drivers, that one set of drivers will not work will one company's distribution, or that the drivers are nearly always labelled as beta.

BeOS on the other hand took all of 15 minutes to install, and both the install program and the GUI made intuitive sense while Linux didn't. With Linux I found myself calling up my Unix friends asking for advice in choosing the best setup for partitions, and choosing which directories would need their own partitions, etc., and what size they should be. Or else I'd be trying to figure out which set of utilities I needed to install, because the explanations were not included in the install process. Basically, it seemed to me that most of the Linux distributions assume a basic set of knowledge which I simply did not have, and which I only learned after several hours online and on the phone (and which I have since forgotten). Also, just reading the tutorials was a pain, because many were geared toward setting up servers, etc., not desktop computers, so much of the info was over my head.

So I still stand by that statement. For the average user, Linux basically has NO place in the home/office desktop market. Until these companies can afford to find good design people and such, it will remain that way.

It's sort of when my friend hired a computer programmer to design his company website. It had lots of cool features and applets, but I still thought it sucked. It was geekified but did not flow aesthetically, etc. Then he hired an advertising exec of all people for the next site. Boring simple HTML - but the site was MUCH better at actually getting the information to the customer. Then there's the databases we use at work. Definitely not very user friendly - does the job, but navigation makes no intuitive sense (even though everything is there). I'm now starting to think that every computer programming type degree should include courses in basic GUI and web design. :p

OK sorry for the rant...
 

Poof

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Eug - what you went through is no different than what any "newbie" to linux has gone through. The operating environment is very different from windoze (alot more text-based, although the newest distros have moved more towards GUI stuff). It's a matter of having a bit of patience and someone to call on to help you through the growing pains and learning curve (I had a few folks who I work with to run to).

I think that save for the few "RTFM" linux users out there (and then the difficulty of even FINDING the FM), the "community" is pretty good about coming to the aid of newbies.

And regarding your experience with Red Hat 6.0.... welcome to the club. I've always told people to avoid anything that is a ".0" release, and that goes for ANY software... I didn't follow my own advice last year and decided to buy a boxed version of the RH 6.0 release and boy was that a mistake. The later Red Hats (at least 6.1 & 6.2) are much better (and this from one who HATED Red Hat when I first started learning linux because the install kept aborting again and again and again... Now I understand why...). I have yet to touch Red Hat 7.0 because why? It's that dreaded ".0" release... ;)

Hopefully you'll reconsider in the future once the trauma has faded from your memory... ;)