Linux SUCKS and should never be used by human beings.

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod

Originally posted by: nweaver
Pretty tweaked Ubuntu install....

nickw@nkw-desk:~$ ps aux | grep root
root 1 0.0 0.0 1632 396 ? Ss Jan24 0:02 /sbin/init splash
root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Jan24 0:00 [migration/0]
root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN Jan24 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0]
root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Jan24 0:00 [watchdog/0]
root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:02 [events/0]
root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [khelper]
root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [kthread]
root 9 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:02 [kblockd/0]
root 10 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [kacpid]
root 11 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [kacpi_notify]
root 105 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [kseriod]
root 140 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Jan24 0:23 [kswapd0]
root 141 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [aio/0]
root 1748 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [ata/0]
root 1752 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [scsi_eh_0]
root 1753 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [scsi_eh_1]
root 1764 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [scsi_eh_2]
root 1803 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [khubd]
root 2060 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:13 [kjournald]
root 2141 0.0 0.0 1604 368 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 //sbin/logd
root 2287 0.0 0.0 2612 488 ? S<s Jan24 0:00 /sbin/udevd --daemon
root 3004 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [shpchpd]
root 3134 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [kpsmoused]
root 3246 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [kgameportd]
root 3621 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:08 [kjournald]
root 3868 0.0 0.0 1596 336 tty1 Ss+ Jan24 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
root 3869 0.0 0.0 1596 336 tty2 Ss+ Jan24 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
root 3870 0.0 0.0 1600 336 tty3 Ss+ Jan24 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
root 3871 0.0 0.0 1596 336 tty4 Ss+ Jan24 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
root 3872 0.0 0.0 1600 336 tty5 Ss+ Jan24 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
root 3873 0.0 0.0 1596 336 tty6 Ss+ Jan24 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
root 4082 0.0 0.0 2200 596 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/acpid -c /etc/acpi/events -s /var/run/acpid.socket
root 4205 0.0 0.0 1724 320 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg
root 4279 0.0 0.0 11800 1580 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm
root 4338 0.0 0.0 4904 568 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/hpiod
root 4438 0.0 0.0 2912 936 ? S Jan24 0:00 hald-runner
root 4487 0.0 0.0 2076 588 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcdbd --system
root 4504 0.0 0.0 21644 1880 ? Ssl Jan24 0:02 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --pid-file /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid
root 4518 0.0 0.0 2964 1060 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/NetworkManagerDispatcher --pid-file /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManagerDispatcher.pid
root 4533 0.0 0.0 13884 816 ? S Jan24 0:00 perl /usr/share/system-tools-backends-2.0/scripts/SystemToolsBackends.pl
root 4648 0.0 0.0 2072 516 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/hcid -x
root 4652 0.0 0.0 1668 348 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/sdpd
root 4669 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [krfcommd]
root 4715 0.0 0.0 2192 620 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
root 17330 0.0 0.1 28208 2248 ? Ss Jan25 0:02 /usr/sbin/spamd --create-prefs --max-children 5 --helper-home-dir -d --pidfile=/var/run/spamd.pid
root 17334 0.0 0.0 28208 1176 ? S Jan25 0:00 spamd child
root 17335 0.0 0.0 28208 1160 ? S Jan25 0:00 spamd child
root 1968 0.0 0.0 6636 488 ? Ss Jan25 0:00 /sbin/mount.smbfs //216.119.203.150/mp3 /media/frank -o rw username mp3
root 1974 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Jan25 1:00 [smbiod]
root 31343 0.0 0.0 1448 104 ? S Jan26 0:00 /usr/bin/vmnet-bridge -d /var/run/vmnet-bridge-0.pid /dev/vmnet0 eth0
root 31347 0.0 0.0 1452 104 ? S Jan26 0:00 /usr/bin/vmnet-bridge -d /var/run/vmnet-bridge-2.pid /dev/vmnet2 ath0
root 31352 0.0 0.3 18400 6924 ? Ss Jan26 2:26 /usr/sbin/vmware-serverd -s -d
root 15930 0.0 0.1 10732 2168 ? S Feb02 0:01 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -l 3 -f
root 16950 0.0 0.0 4944 816 ? Ss Feb02 0:02 /usr/sbin/sshd
root 25092 0.0 0.0 13084 1056 ? SNs Feb04 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
root 23586 0.0 0.0 3456 1136 ? S Feb05 0:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -dd -g /var/run/wpa_supplicant-global
root 21526 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Feb06 0:01 [pdflush]
root 4529 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Feb06 0:00 [pdflush]
nickw 26142 0.0 0.5 19076 11408 ? TNL Feb07 0:00 atunnel -root
nickw 26170 0.0 0.5 19076 11400 ? TNL Feb07 0:00 atunnel -root
root 26203 0.0 0.1 12156 2484 ? S Feb07 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm
root 26206 1.6 9.6 230616 201112 tty7 RLs+ Feb07 27:18 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
root 27146 0.0 0.0 6856 1364 ? Ss Feb07 0:03 /usr/sbin/nmbd -D
root 27148 0.0 0.1 9736 2256 ? Ss Feb07 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
root 27152 0.0 0.0 9736 924 ? S Feb07 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
root 26932 0.0 0.0 1652 612 ? SNs 07:35 0:00 /sbin/syslogd
root 30196 0.0 0.1 10000 2304 ? S 08:55 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D

First of all, those are a lot of background services

Eh...what would you call windows services?

Second, you're running X server. You're also running a lot of unnecessary crap such as the
Spam Assassin (which really doesn't do any good on a Linux box).

Sure I ned Spam Assassin, it keeps my email clean in Evolution. I need my X server to have my desktop box usable for day to day tasks.

Third, you're not running a server. I specifically said Linux servers don't run any service as root. The guy I replied to said "ALL" OSes running a root service. That is simply not true.

who said we were talking servers?

nickw@ns2:~$ ps aux | grep root
root 1 0.0 0.1 1504 460 ? S 2006 0:02 init [2]
root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN 2006 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0]
root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 2006 0:02 [events/0]
root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 2006 0:00 [khelper]
root 25 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 2006 0:00 [kblockd/0]
root 46 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:00 [pdflush]
root 47 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:02 [pdflush]
root 49 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 2006 0:00 [aio/0]
root 48 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:00 [kswapd0]
root 191 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:00 [kseriod]
root 295 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:20 [kjournald]
root 542 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:00 [kjournald]
root 543 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:10 [kjournald]
root 784 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:00 [khubd]
root 1883 0.0 0.3 2260 840 ? Ss 2006 0:16 /sbin/syslogd
root 1886 0.0 0.5 2432 1504 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /sbin/klogd
root 1904 0.0 0.9 29352 2444 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /usr/sbin/lwresd
root 1966 0.0 0.2 2240 728 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
root 1981 0.0 0.3 2376 928 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /sbin/rpc.statd
root 1987 0.0 0.2 1756 716 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
root 2003 0.0 0.1 1500 484 tty1 Ss+ 2006 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
root 2009 0.0 0.1 1500 484 tty2 Ss+ 2006 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
root 2010 0.0 0.1 1500 484 tty3 Ss+ 2006 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
root 2011 0.0 0.1 1500 484 tty4 Ss+ 2006 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
root 2012 0.0 0.1 1500 484 tty5 Ss+ 2006 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
root 2013 0.0 0.1 1500 484 tty6 Ss+ 2006 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
root 8727 0.0 0.9 29352 2452 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /usr/sbin/lwresd
root 27743 0.0 0.5 3468 1504 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
root 8089 0.0 0.9 29352 2444 ? Ss Jan30 0:00 /usr/sbin/lwresd
root 10072 0.0 0.7 6056 1832 ? Ss 13:44 0:00 sshd: nickw [priv]
nickw 10083 0.0 0.1 1548 472 pts/0 S+ 13:45 0:00 grep root
nickw@ns2:~$


that is my deb stable default + bind9 for NS...but nothing runs as root on that box, because it's a server.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: nweaver

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod

Originally posted by: nweaver
Pretty tweaked Ubuntu install....

nickw@nkw-desk:~$ ps aux | grep root
root 1 0.0 0.0 1632 396 ? Ss Jan24 0:02 /sbin/init splash
root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Jan24 0:00 [migration/0]
root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN Jan24 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0]
root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Jan24 0:00 [watchdog/0]
root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:02 [events/0]
root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [khelper]
root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [kthread]
root 9 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:02 [kblockd/0]
root 10 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [kacpid]
root 11 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [kacpi_notify]
root 105 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [kseriod]
root 140 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Jan24 0:23 [kswapd0]
root 141 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [aio/0]
root 1748 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [ata/0]
root 1752 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [scsi_eh_0]
root 1753 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [scsi_eh_1]
root 1764 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [scsi_eh_2]
root 1803 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [khubd]
root 2060 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:13 [kjournald]
root 2141 0.0 0.0 1604 368 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 //sbin/logd
root 2287 0.0 0.0 2612 488 ? S<s Jan24 0:00 /sbin/udevd --daemon
root 3004 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [shpchpd]
root 3134 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [kpsmoused]
root 3246 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [kgameportd]
root 3621 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:08 [kjournald]
root 3868 0.0 0.0 1596 336 tty1 Ss+ Jan24 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
root 3869 0.0 0.0 1596 336 tty2 Ss+ Jan24 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
root 3870 0.0 0.0 1600 336 tty3 Ss+ Jan24 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
root 3871 0.0 0.0 1596 336 tty4 Ss+ Jan24 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
root 3872 0.0 0.0 1600 336 tty5 Ss+ Jan24 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
root 3873 0.0 0.0 1596 336 tty6 Ss+ Jan24 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
root 4082 0.0 0.0 2200 596 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/acpid -c /etc/acpi/events -s /var/run/acpid.socket
root 4205 0.0 0.0 1724 320 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg
root 4279 0.0 0.0 11800 1580 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm
root 4338 0.0 0.0 4904 568 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/hpiod
root 4438 0.0 0.0 2912 936 ? S Jan24 0:00 hald-runner
root 4487 0.0 0.0 2076 588 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcdbd --system
root 4504 0.0 0.0 21644 1880 ? Ssl Jan24 0:02 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --pid-file /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid
root 4518 0.0 0.0 2964 1060 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/NetworkManagerDispatcher --pid-file /var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManagerDispatcher.pid
root 4533 0.0 0.0 13884 816 ? S Jan24 0:00 perl /usr/share/system-tools-backends-2.0/scripts/SystemToolsBackends.pl
root 4648 0.0 0.0 2072 516 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/hcid -x
root 4652 0.0 0.0 1668 348 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/sdpd
root 4669 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Jan24 0:00 [krfcommd]
root 4715 0.0 0.0 2192 620 ? Ss Jan24 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
root 17330 0.0 0.1 28208 2248 ? Ss Jan25 0:02 /usr/sbin/spamd --create-prefs --max-children 5 --helper-home-dir -d --pidfile=/var/run/spamd.pid
root 17334 0.0 0.0 28208 1176 ? S Jan25 0:00 spamd child
root 17335 0.0 0.0 28208 1160 ? S Jan25 0:00 spamd child
root 1968 0.0 0.0 6636 488 ? Ss Jan25 0:00 /sbin/mount.smbfs //216.119.203.150/mp3 /media/frank -o rw username mp3
root 1974 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Jan25 1:00 [smbiod]
root 31343 0.0 0.0 1448 104 ? S Jan26 0:00 /usr/bin/vmnet-bridge -d /var/run/vmnet-bridge-0.pid /dev/vmnet0 eth0
root 31347 0.0 0.0 1452 104 ? S Jan26 0:00 /usr/bin/vmnet-bridge -d /var/run/vmnet-bridge-2.pid /dev/vmnet2 ath0
root 31352 0.0 0.3 18400 6924 ? Ss Jan26 2:26 /usr/sbin/vmware-serverd -s -d
root 15930 0.0 0.1 10732 2168 ? S Feb02 0:01 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -l 3 -f
root 16950 0.0 0.0 4944 816 ? Ss Feb02 0:02 /usr/sbin/sshd
root 25092 0.0 0.0 13084 1056 ? SNs Feb04 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL
root 23586 0.0 0.0 3456 1136 ? S Feb05 0:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -dd -g /var/run/wpa_supplicant-global
root 21526 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Feb06 0:01 [pdflush]
root 4529 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Feb06 0:00 [pdflush]
nickw 26142 0.0 0.5 19076 11408 ? TNL Feb07 0:00 atunnel -root
nickw 26170 0.0 0.5 19076 11400 ? TNL Feb07 0:00 atunnel -root
root 26203 0.0 0.1 12156 2484 ? S Feb07 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm
root 26206 1.6 9.6 230616 201112 tty7 RLs+ Feb07 27:18 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
root 27146 0.0 0.0 6856 1364 ? Ss Feb07 0:03 /usr/sbin/nmbd -D
root 27148 0.0 0.1 9736 2256 ? Ss Feb07 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
root 27152 0.0 0.0 9736 924 ? S Feb07 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
root 26932 0.0 0.0 1652 612 ? SNs 07:35 0:00 /sbin/syslogd
root 30196 0.0 0.1 10000 2304 ? S 08:55 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D

First of all, those are a lot of background services

Eh...what would you call windows services?

I said those were A LOT of background services.

Second, you're running X server. You're also running a lot of unnecessary crap such as the
Spam Assassin (which really doesn't do any good on a Linux box).

Sure I ned Spam Assassin, it keeps my email clean in Evolution. I need my X server to have my desktop box usable for day to day tasks.

Does spam really affect your Linux box? Be honest.

Third, you're not running a server. I specifically said Linux servers don't run any service as root. The guy I replied to said "ALL" OSes running a root service. That is simply not true.

who said we were talking servers?

I really wasn't responding to you about servers. I was actually talking to Nothinman.

nickw@ns2:~$ ps aux | grep root
root 1 0.0 0.1 1504 460 ? S 2006 0:02 init [2]
root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN 2006 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0]
root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 2006 0:02 [events/0]
root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 2006 0:00 [khelper]
root 25 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 2006 0:00 [kblockd/0]
root 46 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:00 [pdflush]
root 47 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:02 [pdflush]
root 49 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 2006 0:00 [aio/0]
root 48 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:00 [kswapd0]
root 191 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:00 [kseriod]
root 295 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:20 [kjournald]
root 542 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:00 [kjournald]
root 543 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:10 [kjournald]
root 784 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 2006 0:00 [khubd]
root 1883 0.0 0.3 2260 840 ? Ss 2006 0:16 /sbin/syslogd
root 1886 0.0 0.5 2432 1504 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /sbin/klogd
root 1904 0.0 0.9 29352 2444 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /usr/sbin/lwresd
root 1966 0.0 0.2 2240 728 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
root 1981 0.0 0.3 2376 928 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /sbin/rpc.statd
root 1987 0.0 0.2 1756 716 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
root 2003 0.0 0.1 1500 484 tty1 Ss+ 2006 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
root 2009 0.0 0.1 1500 484 tty2 Ss+ 2006 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
root 2010 0.0 0.1 1500 484 tty3 Ss+ 2006 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
root 2011 0.0 0.1 1500 484 tty4 Ss+ 2006 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
root 2012 0.0 0.1 1500 484 tty5 Ss+ 2006 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
root 2013 0.0 0.1 1500 484 tty6 Ss+ 2006 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
root 8727 0.0 0.9 29352 2452 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /usr/sbin/lwresd
root 27743 0.0 0.5 3468 1504 ? Ss 2006 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
root 8089 0.0 0.9 29352 2444 ? Ss Jan30 0:00 /usr/sbin/lwresd
root 10072 0.0 0.7 6056 1832 ? Ss 13:44 0:00 sshd: nickw [priv]
nickw 10083 0.0 0.1 1548 472 pts/0 S+ 13:45 0:00 grep root
nickw@ns2:~$


that is my deb stable default + bind9 for NS...but nothing runs as root on that box, because it's a server.

That's right.

 

[nweaver]

Spam is an email problem, not a windows problem

yes, I use spam filtering on my mail, because one of our mail servers (it's going away slowly) doesn't have server side filtering, and I would get tons of spam from it.

 

[stash]

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod

Originally posted by: stash

How fast was the Samba vulnerability fixed? A heck of a lot faster than Windows "We'll repair Windows every 6 months." issue.

WTF?

http://blogs.technet.com/security/archi...secunia-unpatched-warnings-part-3.aspx

That is a good example of FUD.

First of all, Red Hat is a distro of linux that costs over a grand. It also doesn't say much for the majority of Linux which actually has LESS vulnerabilities.

This was more of trying to prove something that just isn't the case for Linux. If you're going to use a distro, try comparing Slackware to Windows.

Oh that's rich. The king of trolling and FUD knows what a good example of FUD is. Oh the irony.

RTFA.

I'm going to start off with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (rhel) 3 Workstation, and then I'll follow with rhel4ws and Windows XP. And yes, I understand that Red Hat is not Linux, but it is the Enterprise Linux leader, so I think it is a fair representative to choose for Linux distros.

What it costs is irrelevant. Slack is irrelevant also. The article is making the point that the stats you see on Secunia may not represent reality. If you read part I of the article, you'll see that Secunia shows 0 unpatched vulns for Red Hat. The other parts of the article show how the perception doesn't necessarily jive with reality.

Regardless, your comment about Windows getting patched only every six months is pure tripe and a tremendous example of what FUD is.

 

[Nothinman]

This is a local exploit and not a remote exploit like MANY of the running services found in Windows.

By authenticated user they mean Samba user, not local user. So it is remote but you need to authenticate to Samba before you can exploit it.

Every OS has services running as admin?! That is not true. Most *nix servers have NOTHING running as root. You should know better than that! OS 10 doesn't even have services running as root.

If that's true of OS X (it's an X, not a 10) then it's the exception and not the rule, commercial unix has had a terrible security history and lots of things defaulted to running as root in the past. It's better now for sure but it's still a problem in a lot of areas. On one of my Debian machines here I see saslauthd, smartd, sshd, dhcpd, upsmon, inetd, mdadm, postfix/master and cron all running as root. Some of them can be made to run as another user with some work but not all of them and none of them came that way out of the box.

You're very naive if you think the WIndows Update site doesn't avoid the Winsock. If you don't believe me, then use the HOSTS file and try to redirect update.microsoft.com to google.com. Heck, try to block it with a software firewall. You'll quickly find out that you CAN'T!

Using HOSTS for name resolution is seperate from WinSOCK, sure it's what the normal gethostbyname and gethostbyaddr calls do by default but just because something doesn't use the hosts file doesn't mean it's not using WinSOCK.

This was more of trying to prove something that just isn't the case for Linux. If you're going to use a distro, try comparing Slackware to Windows.

That's retarded, Slackware includes pretty much all of the same software as RH and it's maintained by one guy. If any distribution is going to be more problematic it's going to be Slackware.

Does spam really affect your Linux box? Be honest.

If it arrives in my inbox, yes it affects me. What are you even trying to get at here?

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod

Originally posted by: stash

How fast was the Samba vulnerability fixed? A heck of a lot faster than Windows "We'll repair Windows every 6 months." issue.

WTF?

http://blogs.technet.com/security/archi...secunia-unpatched-warnings-part-3.aspx

That is a good example of FUD.

First of all, Red Hat is a distro of linux that costs over a grand. It also doesn't say much for the majority of Linux which actually has LESS vulnerabilities.

This was more of trying to prove something that just isn't the case for Linux. If you're going to use a distro, try comparing Slackware to Windows.

Oh that's rich. The king of trolling and FUD knows what a good example of FUD is. Oh the irony.

RTFA.

I'm going to start off with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (rhel) 3 Workstation, and then I'll follow with rhel4ws and Windows XP. And yes, I understand that Red Hat is not Linux, but it is the Enterprise Linux leader, so I think it is a fair representative to choose for Linux distros.

What it costs is irrelevant. Slack is irrelevant also. The article is making the point that the stats you see on Secunia may not represent reality. If you read part I of the article, you'll see that Secunia shows 0 unpatched vulns for Red Hat. The other parts of the article show how the perception doesn't necessarily jive with reality.

Regardless, your comment about Windows getting patched only every six months is pure tripe and a tremendous example of what FUD is.

Your own link shows Windows has unpatched vulnerabilities. What are you trying to say?

 

[Doom Machine]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

yes the learning curve up front was steeper

ah good, so you agree, contradicting everything else in that response. like i said who that is not a computer "geek"/enthusiast wants to learn? something you avoided in a previous yet similar thread if my memory serves with you again selfishly and biasedly thinking of your personal tastes rather than that of what counts...the majority.

you get the hang of it everything just falls into place and it all makes sense and then Windows seems horribly convoluted and overly complicated for no reason.

lmao, while i was never in remedial education levels i never found any particular version of windows or dos that was "overly complicated" if my grandma can do what she likes on there then it cant be, vista is less so as its quite intuitive and informative.

Just like the sheer number of cars available scares people into taking the bus, right?

anologies should have reference...41/2 years of college will teach you that, however buse's and computer software dont make good anolgies simply by the way you intereact in the real world vs the virtual.

The last install I did only required a ~130M ISO.[

what a marvelous "fit for all" os that must be, i sure cant wait to record/pause live tv, play games,copy dvd's on that miracle juhobbyitigger.

So you tried to run Windows programs on Linux and ran into problems? Big surprise there.

again you agree with why so many use windows instead and is why i prefer it. 🙂 why not just say "i agree with windows users" so much simpler

 

[Karot]

Originally posted by: Doom Machine

ah good, so you agree, contradicting everything else in that response. like i said who that is not a computer "geek"/enthusiast wants to learn? something you avoided in a previous yet similar thread if my memory serves with you again selfishly and biasedly thinking of your personal tastes rather than that of what counts...the majority.

This arguments falls. Lets take an example out of politics. Brown vs. Board of Education's decision that the Separate but equal doctrine established in Plessy vs. ferguson was inherently unequal. Those supreme court members by no means represented the opinion of the majority of the people in the United States, who held riots over "busing" in black students to predominately white school districts. The national guard had to be called in to protect black students in schools. Opinion polls of that time showed that over 70% of all the people who where polled were against busing. Yet, you don't say that the supreme court members were thinking of themselves.

In tech, people were really ticked off when Microsoft said that they would not ship WinFS with Windows Vista. It was in the best interest of Microsoft to do that and they have every right to, even though tons of people (including me) disagreed with their decision.

Originally posted by: Doom Machine

lmao, while i was never in remedial education levels i never found any particular version of windows or dos that was "overly complicated" if my grandma can do what she likes on there then it cant be, vista is less so as its quite intuitive and informative.

Just because you say your grandma can do whatever doesn't say anything about the complexity of a system. There are people who have grandparents that grew up on BSD, the 68008 and other older hardware and software that when compared to the stuff that computers can do today, were almost useless. I mean, they couldn't even look at porn on those things!

Originally posted by: Doom Machine
anologies should have reference...41/2 years of college will teach you that, however buse's and computer software dont make good anolgies simply by the way you intereact in the real world vs the virtual.

I like how you try and push your college education in our faces and imply that it makes your arguments more valid. Your whole argument lies on the fallacy that analogies must be very similar in order for them to be valid. The whole point of the analogy is to compare an aspect of two things that is similar, regardless of how similar or dissimilar the two things are in other ways. You probably would think that your hand is analogous to a whale's fin but is. Analogies help us to understand the comparisons being made, something that most people encounter when they read about computers too. Have you ever had a salesman say, "Oh, well the CPU is like the brain. The RAM is like your desk to temporarily store things. The Hard drive is like a filing cabinet or book case.". Those comparisons are between something that's almost impalpable and the familiar to make the connections between the two easier to draw.

Originally posted by: Doom Machine
what a marvelous "fit for all" os that must be, i sure cant wait to record/pause live tv, play
again you agree with why so many use windows instead and is why i prefer it. 🙂 why not just say "i agree with windows users" so much simpler

I just won't even go there.

 

[Nothinman]

ah good, so you agree, contradicting everything else in that response. like i said who that is not a computer "geek"/enthusiast wants to learn? something you avoided in a previous yet similar thread if my memory serves with you again selfishly and biasedly thinking of your personal tastes rather than that of what counts...the majority.

The learning curve for me was steeper because I started over 10 years ago before distros like Ubuntu existed. And on top of that I chose to learn shell scripting, perl and a lot of other low level things that most people will never have to see. But people have to learn how to do just about anything from using the toilet to cooking dinner and driving a car and using a computer is no different.

lmao, while i was never in remedial education levels i never found any particular version of windows or dos that was "overly complicated" if my grandma can do what she likes on there then it cant be, vista is less so as its quite intuitive and informative.

I was speaking relative to the Linux process for a similar operation. Windows isn't terribly difficult, but then again neither is Linux.

anologies should have reference...41/2 years of college will teach you that, however buse's and computer software dont make good anolgies simply by the way you intereact in the real world vs the virtual.

But from a pure numbers perspective it makes sense just fine. You're saying that people are scared of choices, and to an extent I agree, but the fact that there are dozens of brands and models of cars available doesn't deter people from picking one and buying it so why should having dozens of Linux distros available deter people from picking one and trying it?

what a marvelous "fit for all" os that must be, i sure cant wait to record/pause live tv, play games,copy dvd's on that miracle juhobbyitigger.

Actually it is, if you need packages that aren't on the disc (and chances are you will since it's so small) it grabs them off of the Internet for you. It's actually a better fit for any installation because you only download the packages that you want instead of downloading them all on 6 ISOs or 1 DVD and the only installing a 1/5 of them.

again you agree with why so many use windows instead and is why i prefer it. why not just say "i agree with windows users" so much simpler

No, so many people use Windows simply because it's what was given to them.

To keep with the tradition of poor car analogies, what you did was similar to buying an off road course and then tried to run your Honda Accord on it. If the conditions are right it might work but the two weren't designed with the other in mind so the chances of that happening are slim.

 

[Doom Machine]

Originally posted by: Karot

This arguments falls. Lets take an example out of politics. Brown vs. Board of Education's decision that the Separate but equal doctrine established in Plessy vs. ferguson was inherently unequal. Those supreme court members by no means represented the opinion of the majority of the people in the United States, who held riots over "busing" in black students to predominately white school districts. The national guard had to be called in to protect black students in schools. Opinion polls of that time showed that over 70% of all the people who where polled were against busing. Yet, you don't say that the supreme court members were thinking of themselves.

politics is any kind of example for computer software?? again real vs virtual divided by human nature = what now?..... of course not

Just because you say your grandma can do whatever doesn't say anything about the complexity of a system. There are people who have grandparents that grew up on BSD, the 68008 and other older hardware and software that when compared to the stuff that computers can do today, were almost useless. I mean, they couldn't even look at porn on those things!

who is talking about the complexity of the system? you mean the 80% +/- of pc users who just like to click icons to run apps? or the enthusiasts? programmers or elitists?...tell me, wtf are you talking about exactly, your response answered nothing as to what is complex and for whom.

I like how you try and push your college education in our faces and imply that it makes your arguments more valid. Your whole argument lies on the fallacy that analogies must be very similar in order for them to be valid. The whole point of the analogy is to compare an aspect of two things that is similar, regardless of how similar or dissimilar the two things are in other ways. You probably would think that your hand is analogous to a whale's fin but is. Analogies help us to understand the comparisons being made, something that most people encounter when they read about computers too. Have you ever had a salesman say, "Oh, well the CPU is like the brain. The RAM is like your desk to temporarily store things. The Hard drive is like a filing cabinet or book case.". Those comparisons are between something that's almost impalpable and the familiar to make the connections between the two easier to draw.

it doesnt, type education in itself here is irrelevant, wether self taught or else i was implying a viewpoint based from our overpriced educational system of how anologies are rated by a professional, wether it be professor or someone like steven hawkins, there is a dividing point with anologies based upon natural perseptions of human nature ( perseption can change between virtual/real) yet maintain a common link ....however i'll retract it for sakes of arguements, lets not bother arguing over a particular, theres enough debate with os's alone.

I just won't even go there.

its better that way as what i said is true to many variable extents. as you i'm sure your aware, "joe A-Y" lets say will want everything done out of box..thats it
while "joe Z" wants it very precise, analytical sometimes "old school" thinkers they are where size or performance carries above things like function,convenience,aesthetics...etc

 

[Doom Machine]

forgive my lack of quotes as i'm nearing lazyness due to sleepyness 🙂

1. yes people have to learn certain things...computers are not a rule, people are lazy by nature and is why so many dont care to learn, thats why someone like say my g/f for example isnt a member of this forum much less care what OS stands for.

2. linux has come along way, yet further to go before its intuitive for novices, linux and vista are different for many variables yet so similar on others its almost non debatable i sometimes think.

3. they will try if say Dell slaps suse in a pc and says here?. unfortunatly they tried that in retail tests and it failed horribly, maybe if they did so at just the right time and marketed it well. blame ms conspiracies if you want, it makes no difference.

4.download? my g/f doesnt uses that word to mean burning a music cd, people are very willing to pay for convenience...as human nature goes

5. see number 3 again.

Originally posted by: Nothinman

ah good, so you agree, contradicting everything else in that response. like i said who that is not a computer "geek"/enthusiast wants to learn? something you avoided in a previous yet similar thread if my memory serves with you again selfishly and biasedly thinking of your personal tastes rather than that of what counts...the majority.

The learning curve for me was steeper because I started over 10 years ago before distros like Ubuntu existed. And on top of that I chose to learn shell scripting, perl and a lot of other low level things that most people will never have to see. But people have to learn how to do just about anything from using the toilet to cooking dinner and driving a car and using a computer is no different.

lmao, while i was never in remedial education levels i never found any particular version of windows or dos that was "overly complicated" if my grandma can do what she likes on there then it cant be, vista is less so as its quite intuitive and informative.

I was speaking relative to the Linux process for a similar operation. Windows isn't terribly difficult, but then again neither is Linux.

anologies should have reference...41/2 years of college will teach you that, however buse's and computer software dont make good anolgies simply by the way you intereact in the real world vs the virtual.

But from a pure numbers perspective it makes sense just fine. You're saying that people are scared of choices, and to an extent I agree, but the fact that there are dozens of brands and models of cars available doesn't deter people from picking one and buying it so why should having dozens of Linux distros available deter people from picking one and trying it?

what a marvelous "fit for all" os that must be, i sure cant wait to record/pause live tv, play games,copy dvd's on that miracle juhobbyitigger.

Actually it is, if you need packages that aren't on the disc (and chances are you will since it's so small) it grabs them off of the Internet for you. It's actually a better fit for any installation because you only download the packages that you want instead of downloading them all on 6 ISOs or 1 DVD and the only installing a 1/5 of them.

again you agree with why so many use windows instead and is why i prefer it. why not just say "i agree with windows users" so much simpler

No, so many people use Windows simply because it's what was given to them.

To keep with the tradition of poor car analogies, what you did was similar to buying an off road course and then tried to run your Honda Accord on it. If the conditions are right it might work but the two weren't designed with the other in mind so the chances of that happening are slim.

 

[Nothinman]

2. linux has come along way, yet further to go before its intuitive for novices, linux and vista are different for many variables yet so similar on others its almost non debatable i sometimes think.

The problem is that neither OS is really intuitive and the only reason Windows seems easier is because you've already been exposed to it and have years of experience under your belt. If you had started out on OS X or Linux then you'd have just as many problems running Windows.

3. they will try if say Dell slaps suse in a pc and says here?. unfortunatly they tried that in retail tests and it failed horribly, maybe if they did so at just the right time and marketed it well. blame ms conspiracies if you want, it makes no difference.

If I remember what you're talking about, and that's iffy since your sentences are a pain to decipher, that was at least 5 years ago so it's completely irrelevant now. And if it didn't go over well it's no worse than using a Mac, not that that's a glowing recommendation or anything since Apple can't seem to sell anything but ipods.

4.download? my g/f doesnt uses that word to mean burning a music cd, people are very willing to pay for convenience...as human nature goes

I used the term download because I had hoped that you would understand what it meant, I don't care how your gf misuses terminology. The fact that the disc downloads the packages for you is almost completely transparent to the user, IIRC it tells you that it needs to download them and then you click next 2 or 3 times and off it goes.

5. see number 3 again.

No, that's beside the point. You tried to run Windows programs on Linux and ran into problems, why is that surprising to you? If I claimed that Windows sucked because I can't run a Linux binary of Galeon on it wouldn't you think I'm an idiot?

 

[Karot]

See nothingman's response.

 

[drag]

This arguments falls. Lets take an example out of politics. Brown vs. Board of Education's decision that the Separate but equal doctrine established in Plessy vs. ferguson was inherently unequal. Those supreme court members by no means represented the opinion of the majority of the people in the United States, who held riots over "busing" in black students to predominately white school districts. The national guard had to be called in to protect black students in schools. Opinion polls of that time showed that over 70% of all the people who where polled were against busing. Yet, you don't say that the supreme court members were thinking of themselves.

Well the thing about opinion polls is that they are just plain very innaccurate. Very innaccurate.

Always have been, always will be.

It's one of the things that realy piss me off about the U.S. media is that they actually treat those things like there is some sort of scientific basis or validity to any sort of result you get.

The only thing worse then opinion polls is exit polling during elections. Those things have almost always been wrong for as long as I can remember.


As far as opinion of people between Linux vs Windows it's even worse then that. Microsoft had the PC desktop systems locked up well before Linux was even somewhat usable for low-priority server systems. Trying to draw conclusions based on what people prefer in this sort of situation is a utter waste of time.

This sort of crap happens with most technology. Food, for example. If adoption rates are telling on what sort of food people prefer then Mcdonalds is obviously has the best food in the world. If you look at cars, then the Ford F-series is the number one best car in the world and that's what people want more then anything else. Bicycles: Probably more people by bicycles from walmart then any place else in the USA. so Walmart has the best bicycles in the USA.

Of course, numbers don't lie, right? So then Bud Light must be the best beer to ever come out of North America.

With software it's worse. People know what car motors are, they know basicly how a wheel is suppose to work. They heard about Toyota or Chevy, or BMW. When you go to any grocery store there are dozens and dozens of different brand beers made by different people with different flavors and all sorts of stuff.

With operating systems the only thing people can get when they go to the store is Windows. When they get a computer from Dell they get Windows. When they get a PC from IBM or Gateway or HP they have to _FIGHT_ to get a computer that does not come with windows XP, unless it's a server.

They don't know what a partition is, they don't know what a ISO image is, they probably haven't even heard of Linux before and if they did they don't understand what a operating system is. This is 80-90% of people.

The only thing non-Microsoft that people generally understand is Apple computers.

So that is why MacOS is the premium malt beverage of the computer world.

 

[P0ldy]

Ha, I can't believe I'd log in to respond to such a dolt of a troll, but I just kinda had to laugh at you a little. I've never told anyone to RTFM, but your attitude merits it.

You're an insult to windows users everywhere, a damn hard group to insult.

 

[LittlePenguin]

I work at a company that makes communications software for the military, hospitals, casinos, schools and police departments and so forth.
I am at the tech support department. All of the apps are writen for Windows and windows only.

I pay my rent and buy food because of Windows.

Having said that, troubleshooting a windows box is cumbersome and very time consuming.
Let me give you a silly example.
I had clients calling me and saying "I need the version numbers of apps A B C D E F"
In windows, you need to go hunting for the executable which can be stored in an obscure location, versus Linux where "executables" are stored in /bin or /sbin or /usr/share/bin.

In windows you need to open Explorer and go into a rampage of directory hunting
In Linux you just type whereis "name of app" and it gives you all the bin and config files.

In windows if you have a shortcut on your desktop you can go to properties and find the executable and then select the version tab.

In linux you just type "name of app -v" and you have the version right there.

All this would be not so bad in windows if remote connections were REALLY fast. The problem is that they are not always. Infact most of the times they are slow.

Believe me, trying to find the version of 9 different apps they run can take up to 2 hours. If they have brances and they want version numbers of all 9 programs on three different locations time expands.


In the meantime you have other clients that need to be taken care of.


Log files.
/var/logs/log_files Vs Windoes and who the hell knows where logs are stored.

And so many more I can write 100 pages on it of why Windows is very combersome to work with.

Not to mention the fact that most windows problems get solved with a reboot.

Dont mistake the ease of setting up a file server and the easy installation of apps as ease of use.

Windows is chaos under the hood. The only consistency it has is with the GUI.

Linux is not bulletproof when it comes to security. It has its own problems. Not the problems some of you may think, such as it is not user friendly. It is infact very user friendly it is just different. And is much more consistent than Windows.

Windows is allright to use but when it comes to heavy duty hard core tasks, nothing beats a nix box.

I use linux at home for everything and just make a living out of troubleshooting windows boxes.

 

[Foadbot]

Dear OP,

All of your reasons lead me to belive that your first computer had Windows on it and you are spoiled by the hand holding it provides.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
...
Does spam really affect your Linux box? Be honest.
...

Since when does spam have anything to do with the OS?

 

[Niv KA]

I am a user of both windows and linux, and personally, I like Linux more, and would use it if it were not for the support of some of my games and programs that I need.

A common thought is that linux is "harder to use", to prove it's falsesness, I did a little experiment last year with a 5 year old. I gave her a laptop with linux and let her learn by her self, only teaching her how to use the mouse and keyboard and letting her see me do some work. After 2 weeks she figured out the basics, like how to start programs and so on. after a month she was downloading programs (took her a while to understand that only linux programs worked) and so on. By this time I had installed on her laptop Ubuntu (BB I belive), Fedora Core 4 and SuSE, although I don't know which version, and let her chose between Gnome, KDE and Xfce

4 months ago I visited her again and this time with another laptop, with a "new distro" called Windows XP, and after she figured out that you need to double click, she started to try using it. she saw how the programs that she knew didn't work, and although there were alternatives, she didn't like them as much as the ones she was used to.
Last time I saw her, on her 6th birthday, she wanted me to help her show off to her brother's friend the wonders of XGL on OpenSuSE with KDE...

My mom also can't use Windows, but then again, she doesn't even know how to move the mouse, so I might be coming home with a laptop or two next month... 🙂

THE HUMAN MIND DOES NOT LIKE CHANGE, IT LIKES SIMILARITY, AND IF YOU WOULD GROW UP WITH LINUX, YOU WOULD FIND IT EASIER.
AS FOR THE OP, he claimed to never have had to learn Windows, I HAVE SOME NEWS FOR YOU:
The study I did on the 5 year old girl was with a friend of mine, who now has a PHD is Psycology (did I spell that right), and our study shows that Linux is easier to get into than Windows, this was the subject of her final essay in her PHD studies.

As for the use of CLI, it is not nessisary when using Linux

**NOTE** This could be misleading for some people, as this girl was exeptional, and it took me more time than her to master Linux to the level she has.Her father was an IT manager in a company I assisted, a genius in computers, which could explain this to some extent for some people

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Niv KA
THE HUMAN MIND DOES NOT LIKE CHANGE, IT LIKES SIMILARITY, AND IF YOU WOULD GROW UP WITH LINUX, YOU WOULD FIND IT EASIER.
AS FOR THE OP, he claimed to never have had to learn Windows, I HAVE SOME NEWS FOR YOU:

DING DING DING!!!
We have a winner!

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Niv KA
THE HUMAN MIND DOES NOT LIKE CHANGE, IT LIKES SIMILARITY, AND IF YOU WOULD GROW UP WITH LINUX, YOU WOULD FIND IT EASIER.
AS FOR THE OP, he claimed to never have had to learn Windows, I HAVE SOME NEWS FOR YOU:

DING DING DING!!!
We have a winner!

Gee...thanks for generalizing.

A LOT of people don't like change, while others embrace change if it's for the better.

I was a windows user for 10 years? before i made the switch?

Did I find linux familiar at that point? no. Did I find it superior? hell yes.

Then again, I'm not your typical user.

people who don't like change are too fvcking lazy to learn something new.

 

[Nothinman]

people who don't like change are too fvcking lazy to learn something new.

Which is the majority by a huge margin.

 

[Nothinman]

That is not true. Most *nix servers have NOTHING running as root. You should know better than that! OS 10 doesn't even have services running as root.

I finally got around to installing Solaris 10 since it's free (although a huge PITA to get a copy of) and everything except rpcbind, sendmail and kcfd were running as root. So that leaves ~35 processes running as root in a default install and lots of insecure things like telnet, rlogin, rsh and finger listening on every interface.

So where did you come up with the idea that "Most *nix servers have NOTHING running as root"?

 

[Seeruk]

Originally posted by: Niv KA
I am a user of both windows and linux, and personally, I like Linux more, and would use it if it were not for the support of some of my games and programs that I need.

A common thought is that linux is "harder to use", to prove it's falsesness, I did a little experiment last year with a 5 year old. I gave her a laptop with linux and let her learn by her self, only teaching her how to use the mouse and keyboard and letting her see me do some work. After 2 weeks she figured out the basics, like how to start programs and so on. after a month she was downloading programs (took her a while to understand that only linux programs worked) and so on. By this time I had installed on her laptop Ubuntu (BB I belive), Fedora Core 4 and SuSE, although I don't know which version, and let her chose between Gnome, KDE and Xfce

4 months ago I visited her again and this time with another laptop, with a "new distro" called Windows XP, and after she figured out that you need to double click, she started to try using it. she saw how the programs that she knew didn't work, and although there were alternatives, she didn't like them as much as the ones she was used to.
Last time I saw her, on her 6th birthday, she wanted me to help her show off to her brother's friend the wonders of XGL on OpenSuSE with KDE...

My mom also can't use Windows, but then again, she doesn't even know how to move the mouse, so I might be coming home with a laptop or two next month... 🙂

THE HUMAN MIND DOES NOT LIKE CHANGE, IT LIKES SIMILARITY, AND IF YOU WOULD GROW UP WITH LINUX, YOU WOULD FIND IT EASIER.
AS FOR THE OP, he claimed to never have had to learn Windows, I HAVE SOME NEWS FOR YOU:
The study I did on the 5 year old girl was with a friend of mine, who now has a PHD is Psycology (did I spell that right), and our study shows that Linux is easier to get into than Windows, this was the subject of her final essay in her PHD studies.

As for the use of CLI, it is not nessisary when using Linux

**NOTE** This could be misleading for some people, as this girl was exeptional, and it took me more time than her to master Linux to the level she has.Her father was an IT manager in a company I assisted, a genius in computers, which could explain this to some extent for some people

I am sorry but I have to call this as absolute bullsh1t.

Regardless of subject, lets pretend the thread is red tomatoes versus green tomatoes, Ford versus Chevrolet, Republican versus Democrat, anything AT ALL.... there is absolutely no way on earth that anybody can call anything that studies ONE subject ... a study.
Anyone calling any form of conclusion from a survey of ONE is beyond idiotic, anyone claiming this 'study' somehow how proves anything... that the Red Sox are better, that the sky is blue, that the grass is green is totally fooking brainless and obviously never been near any form of higher educational establishment. To implicate that the 'study' was linked to any form of PhD is laughable, believe me as a PhD in a similar field (behavioural psychology) I can tell you that any professor in the universe would chase you out of any educational institution with a ****** stick should you come anywhere near him with such a laughable proposal.
Perhaps if the subject was one of a kind... like a woman born with three arms or something similarly unique of course. But are you trying to tell me there is only one six year old in the world that uses computers?
There isn't even a basis for any form of empirical evidence, even if this was somehow psychology related (which I doubt) it would centre around a GUI rather than LINUX per se. It would perhaps hypothesise a theory around the mechanisms of various GUI's and perceived ease of use, for example does 'No of clicks to perform a task equate to perceived ease of use?' or 'Comparing a 3 dimensional interface with a 2d interface'.... but really if it was to relate to any subject it would be computer studies of some sort.

But seriously... thanks for the laughs 😀

If you do want to prove me wrong... you do of course have a link to the thesis as all PhD's are published.... don't ya??? Right.....???

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

This is a local exploit and not a remote exploit like MANY of the running services found in Windows.

By authenticated user they mean Samba user, not local user. So it is remote but you need to authenticate to Samba before you can exploit it.

The fact that you need to authenticate means you would have to either

1) Brute force the SAMBA server

2) Know how to authenticate remotely

If you go by 1), then any server admin could see that and simply block the IP. Or they can program their firewall to detect brute force attacks and ban the IP. Is this really an issue?

Every OS has services running as admin?! That is not true. Most *nix servers have NOTHING running as root. You should know better than that! OS 10 doesn't even have services running as root.

If that's true of OS X (it's an X, not a 10) then it's the exception and not the rule, commercial unix has had a terrible security history and lots of things defaulted to running as root in the past. It's better now for sure but it's still a problem in a lot of areas. On one of my Debian machines here I see saslauthd, smartd, sshd, dhcpd, upsmon, inetd, mdadm, postfix/master and cron all running as root. Some of them can be made to run as another user with some work but not all of them and none of them came that way out of the box.

No, OS 10. Most Mac users would prefer for the OS to be called OS 10. Calling it OS X(pronounced ex) is like nails on a chalk board.

You're very naive if you think the WIndows Update site doesn't avoid the Winsock. If you don't believe me, then use the HOSTS file and try to redirect update.microsoft.com to google.com. Heck, try to block it with a software firewall. You'll quickly find out that you CAN'T!

Using HOSTS for name resolution is seperate from WinSOCK, sure it's what the normal gethostbyname and gethostbyaddr calls do by default but just because something doesn't use the hosts file doesn't mean it's not using WinSOCK.

Quit arguing with me and TRY IT. If you're not convinced, try the host file and/or try using your software firewall. After you have tried it, then come back to me.

This was more of trying to prove something that just isn't the case for Linux. If you're going to use a distro, try comparing Slackware to Windows.

That's retarded, Slackware includes pretty much all of the same software as RH and it's maintained by one guy. If any distribution is going to be more problematic it's going to be Slackware.

Pretty much, but not all. You'd be pretty closed minded in thinking Slackware = Red Hat. They are completely different. Slackware also has a better security track record than Red Hat.

Does spam really affect your Linux box? Be honest.

If it arrives in my inbox, yes it affects me. What are you even trying to get at here?

[/quote]

The answer is no. It does not affect your Linux box. It may affect YOU, but it is not harming your Linux box. Spam on Windows is different. Spam on Windows can lead to identity theft. Spam leads to spyware which causes issue on Windows. On Linux, it just doesn't exist.