Linux SUCKS and should never be used by human beings.

[Nothinman]

IOW, & this is the thing to remember re *nix: it's BY Programmers & FOR programmers.

Windows is for everyone else.

And here I thought Windows was for stuffy businessmen and Macs were for everyone else.

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: IdaGno

Originally posted by: dighn
command line is actually very powerful if you are familiar with it. you can chain up commands using pipes and IO redirection to do some pretty complex stuff on the fly. it also lends itself very well to automation by scripting. and commands are sometimes just plain easier to use, for example it's just quicker to type the grep command to search within a bunch of files than to right click a directory, press search, type in the text, set the parameters etc. or it's quicker to go mkdir blah than to right click, siwtch to keyboard and type in blah

IOW, & this is the thing to remember re *nix: it's BY Programmers & FOR programmers.

Windows is for everyone else.

Incorrect. I use Ubuntu on my laptop 100% and I know absolutely zero about programming.

My parents and brother manage to screw up their Windows boxes.

I know very, very little other than the most basic rudiments of programming, yet I've never had problems with Linux.

My parents, who are the most computer illiterate humans on the planet, have been using Xubuntu for almost 6 months now. Not one single crash, driver problem, virus, or anything for them during that time.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

IOW, & this is the thing to remember re *nix: it's BY Programmers & FOR programmers.

Windows is for everyone else.

And here I thought Windows was for stuffy businessmen and Macs were for everyone else.

Good one! :laugh:

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: IdaGno

Originally posted by: dighn
command line is actually very powerful if you are familiar with it. you can chain up commands using pipes and IO redirection to do some pretty complex stuff on the fly. it also lends itself very well to automation by scripting. and commands are sometimes just plain easier to use, for example it's just quicker to type the grep command to search within a bunch of files than to right click a directory, press search, type in the text, set the parameters etc. or it's quicker to go mkdir blah than to right click, siwtch to keyboard and type in blah

IOW, & this is the thing to remember re *nix: it's BY Programmers & FOR programmers.

Windows is for everyone else.

Incorrect. I use Ubuntu on my laptop 100% and I know absolutely zero about programming.

My parents and brother manage to screw up their Windows boxes.

i use xubuntu and also know nothing about programming.

what a terribly ignorant statement. linux on the desktop has come a long way over the last few years and a good desktop distro is very easy to set up and use.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: gsellis
It is hard isolating a problem when you are not sure if the device is recognized or not and if the driver is working. I had fits with my D-Link not working, than magically working, then not working again. I gave up on the Orinoco the other night. It seems to be on and working, but it will not get a DHCP address. Works in XP with the WEP key. Hard to isolate the issue without something to consolidate what is working. I "have" a GUI for the network connection, but it is not that smart (or at least appears not to be - how to choose between WEP and WPA/WPA2 is not obvious.)

dmesg?
lspci?

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: sonoma1993

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: sonoma1993

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: Tauren
I use Debian on 3 computers at my house. I don't care for it, but try Ubuntu it's made so easy monkey's can use it.

I'm using ubuntu. I am apparently not smart enough to use it. This despite the fact that I can get an A in Calc 3.

try using fedora core 6. It based off red hat

Is it easy? As in, windows or OSX easy?

I found it easy.

it takes some learning though.

That's the problem. I have no desire to learn an OS. I never had to learn windows.

There is a contradiction with this statement. Noone inherently knows how to use an OS. You had to learn how to use windows sometime, it just goes back far enough that you can't remember. The same problems you had learning windows when you were younger are creeping up now as a new user to a new OS. Now you can do one of two things. Try to learn the new OS or give up and go back to windows. You have a wealth of resources available to you at the tip of your fingers. there are forums you can ask questions to, especially the ubuntuforums. you could ask here too as there are plenty of knowledgeable *nix users here who actually like to help out.

I hope you try to learn it as it's been a great system for me to run alternative to windows and found the experience pleasant. (not always but for the most part it's been good)

Good luck nad I hope things get better.

joe

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: gsellis
It is hard isolating a problem when you are not sure if the device is recognized or not and if the driver is working. I had fits with my D-Link not working, than magically working, then not working again. I gave up on the Orinoco the other night. It seems to be on and working, but it will not get a DHCP address. Works in XP with the WEP key. Hard to isolate the issue without something to consolidate what is working. I "have" a GUI for the network connection, but it is not that smart (or at least appears not to be - how to choose between WEP and WPA/WPA2 is not obvious.)

dmesg?
lspci?

Those are GUIs? Will try to find later. Thanks.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Why can't I install and uninstall software easily in Windows? Recently at work I uninstalled JAVA and reinstalled the latest version (I had like 3 versions on there, one of them apparently unsupported). Firefox, opera, and IE all had issues. A couple of work specific applicatons stopped working. Why didn't Windows warn me that uninstalling those JAVA versions would break the other applications? Where is the dependency checking?!

 

[Se7eN S1N]

The biggest benefits of running unix and linux is the fact there's almost zero downtime to running in enterprise enviroment when you need to do updates, stop process, recompile and go about your way. Can you do THAT with windows ? GUI is user friendly but the more "fancy" it looks the more chances it will crash. stick to the basic and maintain uptime. gui use clock cycles to render command line don't. Windows is desktop platform because majority of what most users use is written in windows however any enterprise running critical appz will be running linux or unix for their backend, be4acuse of the lack of need to ever restart.

just my two cents

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Se7eN S1N
The biggest benefits of running unix and linux is the fact there's almost zero downtime to running in enterprise enviroment when you need to do updates, stop process, recompile and go about your way. Can you do THAT with windows ? GUI is user friendly but the more "fancy" it looks the more chances it will crash. stick to the basic and maintain uptime. gui use clock cycles to render command line don't. Windows is desktop platform because majority of what most users use is written in windows however any enterprise running critical appz will be running linux or unix for their backend, be4acuse of the lack of need to ever restart.

just my two cents

There is lots and lots of misinformation in that post, but I'm not entirely sure if it'd be worth it to point them out.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Why can't I install and uninstall software easily in Windows? Recently at work I uninstalled JAVA and reinstalled the latest version (I had like 3 versions on there, one of them apparently unsupported). Firefox, opera, and IE all had issues. A couple of work specific applicatons stopped working. Why didn't Windows warn me that uninstalling those JAVA versions would break the other applications? Where is the dependency checking?!

heh.

I know the first thing I do when I use Windows first thing I do is open the command line, but it's so miserable that it's nearly useless.

I don't use Windows enough to memorize all the little paths I have to know through the wizards and dialogs and menus and such to get anything I want done. It literally gives me a headache...

 

[43st]

I tried installing a basic Ubuntu on an old Dell laptop... It didn't work out well, though it claimed to be installed properly. The Ubuntu forums were also a mess, no one has an answer that's not laced with condescending nerd ego.

It made me realize why I use computers... not really to tweak or fuss with the OS but to use applications. I'd never recommend anyone, aside from Operating System lovers and tinkerers, install Linux. Maybe the installer will work in the future though. I'll give it another look when it can be installed correctly and be completely functional in under an hours time.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: 43st
I tried installing a basic Ubuntu on an old Dell laptop... It didn't work out well, though it claimed to be installed properly. The Ubuntu forums were also a mess, no one has an answer that's not laced with condescending nerd ego.

It made me realize why I use computers... not really to tweak or fuss with the OS but to use applications. I'd never recommend anyone, aside from Operating System lovers and tinkerers, install Linux. Maybe the installer will work in the future though. I'll give it another look when it can be installed correctly and be completely functional in under an hours time.

What problem did you have. Everything is so straight-forward when installing it is impossible to screw up.

Also, which Ubuntu forums were you looking in. I have always found them to be extremely helpful. Especially compared to some of the other Linux forums I have visited.

-Kevin

 

[will889]

I don't have an issue with Linux I like to play with it. Like someone earlier mentioned PC's are mass appliances now, so Linux by default separates advanced users from lay-users, but that doesn't mean that "lay-users" or windows only users are stupid it just means that Linux gives the geek a place to play around. I see a day coming when Mac OS-X and one or two flavors of Linux are mainstream anyway giving MS direct competition. You can't stay on top forever - just look at AMD /Intel go back and forth. Steve Jobs will pounce into the mass X86 market when the time is right (IMO), but the OS will need to support thousands of devices and most games and have a much larger tech/dev staff that's always writing drivers and OS updates.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: 43st
I tried installing a basic Ubuntu on an old Dell laptop... It didn't work out well, though it claimed to be installed properly. The Ubuntu forums were also a mess, no one has an answer that's not laced with condescending nerd ego.

It made me realize why I use computers... not really to tweak or fuss with the OS but to use applications. I'd never recommend anyone, aside from Operating System lovers and tinkerers, install Linux. Maybe the installer will work in the future though. I'll give it another look when it can be installed correctly and be completely functional in under an hours time.

What problem did you have. Everything is so straight-forward when installing it is impossible to screw up.

Also, which Ubuntu forums were you looking in. I have always found them to be extremely helpful. Especially compared to some of the other Linux forums I have visited.

-Kevin

There are some bad seeds in there, but that goes for Windows nerds, too.

 

[jryan25]

Linux has a huge learning curve, no one will argue that. But to call it dumb? That's just silly. Linux is an insanely stable Operating System and in my opinion just another of the three to use (Windows, OS X, Linux). I like what all three of them do and IMHO (and many others I assume) XP does it the worst. Now brings me to the admittance I am mainly a Windows user lol. But I will not sit here and praise XP or try to hold it over Linux, it does things better than Linux on the user side, but IMHO Mac does it much better in terms of simplicity and the 'oh that makes sense' factor.

I do think there is an 'I'm elite' feeling to using linux but there is to many things in life. You're no better by standing on your soapbox and forcing OPINIONS you have on something and trying to write them down as fact and scripture. So you tried linux and had a tough time with it. Servers and as the other poster said many advanced machines/users use Linux, including ISPs and providers that you use to post comments on here or browser the web. It's build on UNIX, which is still the shiznit, I would hardly call it 'Stupid' or say it 'Sucks' simply because you can't force yourself to learn more. Everyone was so willing to learn Windows and now it's like humans this day and age don't want to learn anymore. I find this odd as I love learning new things everyday, it might be different since I work in IT and I am not sure what you do Tick but I find it very cool to have my back against the wall as a 'noob' in a new area and force myself to learn things. Anyway, that's my two cents which came out like two dollars but just use Windows and be happy dude, the Linux world can be cold, but I like it.

Balance is the key to life.

 

[jryan25]

And regarding the problems downloading the ISO's for installing or having issues... just simply go to Ubuntus site and order the FREE ShipIt CDs, then it's as easy as rebooting to the CD/DVD and following on screen instructions. I would however read a quick tutorial on dual booting though, as you can mess things up with your Windows installation if you do it wrong.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: jryan25
I do think there is an 'I'm elite' feeling to using linux

Nah, Linux is too mainstream for that these days.
The elite feeling is now reserved for BSD and Solaris users, and the VMS people in turn feel superior to the BSD/Solaris crowd.
And somewhere on some strange island are the AIX and HP-UX users.

 

[jryan25]

HAHA. Sunner that is so true actually. Linux is becoming more mainstream, I can't believe I see Linux commercials now. I remember back in the hey day it was only elitists using Red Hat, etc.

Solaris is the new l33t crowd! We should try to see people go back to Linux before it was this friendly. It was less pretty years ago and much more command line driven with less GUI. You think it's 'bad' now, you would've passed out before!

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: 43st
I tried installing a basic Ubuntu on an old Dell laptop... It didn't work out well, though it claimed to be installed properly. The Ubuntu forums were also a mess, no one has an answer that's not laced with condescending nerd ego.

It made me realize why I use computers... not really to tweak or fuss with the OS but to use applications. I'd never recommend anyone, aside from Operating System lovers and tinkerers, install Linux. Maybe the installer will work in the future though. I'll give it another look when it can be installed correctly and be completely functional in under an hours time.

What problem did you have. Everything is so straight-forward when installing it is impossible to screw up.

Also, which Ubuntu forums were you looking in. I have always found them to be extremely helpful. Especially compared to some of the other Linux forums I have visited.

-Kevin

There are some bad seeds in there, but that goes for Windows nerds, too.

True, as is with any software. However; the Linux installer is head and shoulders above the old Windows XP installer. I can't begin to describe how much better it is. (I guess that is one of the reasons Vista is so much better- Updated Installer to get rid of the DOS based install portion).

-Kevin

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: 43st
I tried installing a basic Ubuntu on an old Dell laptop... It didn't work out well, though it claimed to be installed properly. The Ubuntu forums were also a mess, no one has an answer that's not laced with condescending nerd ego.

It made me realize why I use computers... not really to tweak or fuss with the OS but to use applications. I'd never recommend anyone, aside from Operating System lovers and tinkerers, install Linux. Maybe the installer will work in the future though. I'll give it another look when it can be installed correctly and be completely functional in under an hours time.

What problem did you have. Everything is so straight-forward when installing it is impossible to screw up.

Also, which Ubuntu forums were you looking in. I have always found them to be extremely helpful. Especially compared to some of the other Linux forums I have visited.

-Kevin

This was two years ago, which ever version they were on at that time... I was looking for a stripped down and basic install, nothing fancy and something for an old 500mhz laptop. Half the hardware wasn't found during the install, the display was a tiny square on the LCD panel. The screen also developed some weird horizontal lines, like the brightness was off in certain areas. The network worked, as did the keyboard. The mouse touchpad didn't install properly.

After reading up more on the subject it seemed that (then) Ubuntu and Linux had issues with laptops and proprietary hardware drivers. Maybe that's resolved? I tried for about a week to get more information on the system, as well as the Ubuntu forums. I never really progressed beyond the botched install phase, even the tutorials assumed everything works perfect the first time. The information gathering and learning phase was the most frustrating part by far. We've all worked through twitchy gear and weird hardware configs, just doing it blindly in a foreign environment makes it nearly impossible I found.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: 43st

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: 43st
I tried installing a basic Ubuntu on an old Dell laptop... It didn't work out well, though it claimed to be installed properly. The Ubuntu forums were also a mess, no one has an answer that's not laced with condescending nerd ego.

It made me realize why I use computers... not really to tweak or fuss with the OS but to use applications. I'd never recommend anyone, aside from Operating System lovers and tinkerers, install Linux. Maybe the installer will work in the future though. I'll give it another look when it can be installed correctly and be completely functional in under an hours time.

What problem did you have. Everything is so straight-forward when installing it is impossible to screw up.

Also, which Ubuntu forums were you looking in. I have always found them to be extremely helpful. Especially compared to some of the other Linux forums I have visited.

-Kevin

This was two years ago, which ever version they were on at that time... I was looking for a stripped down and basic install, nothing fancy and something for an old 500mhz laptop. Half the hardware wasn't found during the install, the display was a tiny square on the LCD panel. The screen also developed some weird horizontal lines, like the brightness was off in certain areas. The network worked, as did the keyboard. The mouse touchpad didn't install properly.

After reading up more on the subject it seemed that (then) Ubuntu and Linux had issues with laptops and proprietary hardware drivers. Maybe that's resolved? I tried for about a week to get more information on the system, as well as the Ubuntu forums. I never really progressed beyond the botched install phase, even the tutorials assumed everything works perfect the first time. The information gathering and learning phase was the most frustrating part by far. We've all worked through twitchy gear and weird hardware configs, just doing it blindly in a foreign environment makes it nearly impossible I found.

Ah, I briefly used Fedora Core as well as SuSE back then and they worked well. I have read the Ubuntu wasn't nearly as good back then as it is now. If you decide to go back, just know that Ubuntu is much improved.

-Kevin

 

[w00t]

It's Linux not Windows.....

 

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: 43st

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: 43st
I tried installing a basic Ubuntu on an old Dell laptop... It didn't work out well, though it claimed to be installed properly. The Ubuntu forums were also a mess, no one has an answer that's not laced with condescending nerd ego.

It made me realize why I use computers... not really to tweak or fuss with the OS but to use applications. I'd never recommend anyone, aside from Operating System lovers and tinkerers, install Linux. Maybe the installer will work in the future though. I'll give it another look when it can be installed correctly and be completely functional in under an hours time.

What problem did you have. Everything is so straight-forward when installing it is impossible to screw up.

Also, which Ubuntu forums were you looking in. I have always found them to be extremely helpful. Especially compared to some of the other Linux forums I have visited.

-Kevin

This was two years ago, which ever version they were on at that time... I was looking for a stripped down and basic install, nothing fancy and something for an old 500mhz laptop. Half the hardware wasn't found during the install, the display was a tiny square on the LCD panel. The screen also developed some weird horizontal lines, like the brightness was off in certain areas. The network worked, as did the keyboard. The mouse touchpad didn't install properly.

After reading up more on the subject it seemed that (then) Ubuntu and Linux had issues with laptops and proprietary hardware drivers. Maybe that's resolved? I tried for about a week to get more information on the system, as well as the Ubuntu forums. I never really progressed beyond the botched install phase, even the tutorials assumed everything works perfect the first time. The information gathering and learning phase was the most frustrating part by far. We've all worked through twitchy gear and weird hardware configs, just doing it blindly in a foreign environment makes it nearly impossible I found.

Ubuntu 6.06 and 6.10 install on my modern Dell D810 with all drivers, but no 3d Accel (ATI's fault)

XP is missing the NIC, Wireless NIC, Display driver (stretched to do widescreen), and sound.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: nweaver
Ubuntu 6.06 and 6.10 install on my modern Dell D810 with all drivers, but no 3d Accel (ATI's fault)

XP is missing the NIC, Wireless NIC, Display driver (stretched to do widescreen), and sound.

Yeah, maybe read my post again. This was a 500Mhz Dell Latitude and I believe the Warty release.