Linux SUCKS and should never be used by human beings.

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Tauren
I use Debian on 3 computers at my house. I don't care for it, but try Ubuntu it's made so easy monkey's can use it.

Although I agree Ubuntu is easy, but...until either 1.Game and multimedia develop Linus friendly support, Linus will never be mainstream. Too many people game and multimedia these days; or 2. the linux distros find a way to make that shite work, it wont be mainstream.

I played with 5 distros over a 4 month period, and I cant game worth a crap, and doing multimedia is just plain unsupported or too complicated. Everything else about Linus is great though.

 

[tickyour]

OP: just because youre too lame to use it.. doesnt mean the OS sux. no hard feelings.

 

[fartbag]

Excuse me sir. That is fsck yourself! heheheheh

 

[stupidkid]

Haha Tick is dumber than my 10 year old brother, who got Ubuntu working on his computer.

 

[InlineFive]

I don't think Linux is the problem here.

1. CLI is a very flexible, fast and powerful tool that should not be discredited. GUIs and CLIs have their own strengths and weaknesses and compliment each other.

2. Ever run a Windows installation as a Limited User? Basically the most important thing you can do on any computer system is not give the user system Administrator priveleges. It's a minor inconvenience for what you gain.

3. It's actually one of the most flexible product update tools available and way beyond the new Microsoft Update (IMHO).

4. Didja know that most of the programs you install on your computer are already compiled? It's not that hard to do and provides compatibility across a range of platforms.

Moral of the story?

Originally posted by: tfinch2
You just suck at it.

 

[irishScott]

1. Command Line can be more efficient depending on the program. Would you rather type one line of text, or click through 10 sets of windows/tabs/menus/submenus/sub-submenus?

2. If you get hacked/virused/rootkited, this prevents the program from accessing your System's core functions, as opposed to letting it destroy your computer in a matter of minutes. You are a security noob.

3. It's not as efficient as Windows, I admit, but it's good enough, comprehensive, and easy.

4. Compiling makes some programs run faster, as the program is then made to run on your specific hardware. I'll spare you a lecture on how this works, as you probably wouldn't understand it anyway judging by your posts.


In Short: MS is easier to use.

Linux is more secure, more efficient, and faster, but harder to use

So I'm in agreement with ttfinch2, you just suck at it.

 

[Hyperblaze]

I'm a bit late here.

If you used Windows for the first time, I'm pretty sure you'd be saying the same thing about it.

Personally, used Windows longer then I've used Linux for, and I prefer using Linux. Offers me what I really want out of an OS.

Doesn't mean my requirements are the same as yours.

PS: If you really want to try something fun, try gentoo. You think what you tried was "hard", you ain't seen nothing yet.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Tauren
I use Debian on 3 computers at my house. I don't care for it, but try Ubuntu it's made so easy monkey's can use it.

Although I agree Ubuntu is easy, but...until either 1.Game and multimedia develop Linus friendly support, Linus will never be mainstream. Too many people game and multimedia these days; or 2. the linux distros find a way to make that shite work, it wont be mainstream.

I played with 5 distros over a 4 month period, and I cant game worth a crap, and doing multimedia is just plain unsupported or too complicated. Everything else about Linus is great though.

Well that is a double edged sword. Using Cedega does help, but if a game is not also ported for Linux...well it isn't the Linux communities fault at all. In fact, they go out of their way to get things supported;
Games that are made for Linux run without a problem - Quake, UT, NWN, even the old Railroad Tycoon pose very little to no problems when I play them
As for multimedia, my weak part is Windows Media Codec 9....I think that is what I CAN'T play....older WMV I can play - but again that is Microsoft

 

[n0cmonkey]

Fluendo!

 

[Nothinman]

Although I agree Ubuntu is easy, but...until either 1.Game and multimedia develop Linus friendly support, Linus will never be mainstream. Too many people game and multimedia these days; or 2. the linux distros find a way to make that shite work,

Linus is the name of the head developer, Linux is the kernel. And multimedia support is fine, I have yet to find a video or audio file that I can't play in mplayer.

 

[Markbnj]

Command Line can be more efficient depending on the program. Would you rather type one line of text, or click through 10 sets of windows/tabs/menus/submenus/sub-submenus?

Command line interfaces are never more efficient for the average, non-technical user. Could they be? Yes, if you taught the person how to use them. That's not going to happen, because "they" don't have the time or desire. You nix guys didn't discover the CLI in the nineties, you know . It's been around for awhile. Interface evolution is going the other direction, steadily. There may be a time in the far future when we talk to our computers in tones and idioms indistinguishable from everyday speech. But there will never be a resurgence of interest in command line interfaces. There will probably always be a way to get the machine to display a prompt, but I'd wager that within fifty years you won't be able to find anyone who remembers what the short-cut key is, or what section of code to look in to find out.

Linux is an alternative (it's certainly not developed to be a replacement to Windows) - and despite the recent advances in GUI desktops, Linux is a Power Users OS first and formost. Those that are patient learn to tap into the power that OS posseses and Windows so-called "Power Users" have nowhere close to that capability. Lets see a Windows user compile not only their Kernel to their specific processor but also any software package they choose to run on that OS to boot - all optimized to take full advantage of the processor they are using on their system - regardless of processor.

This entire paragraph is silliness.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Markbnj

...Could they be? Yes, if you taught the person how to use them. That's not going to happen, because "they" don't have the time or desire...

Nothinman, n0cmonkey, drag, myself and others answer questions here all the time on how to use the command line and how to get the most out of linux. The OP didn't come here wanting to learn; he came here to rant on something he clearly understood very little about. (and I don't mean just that he doesn't understand linux; his problem is that he doesn't understand that other people don't want the same things he does)

 

[smack Down]

I agree the apt-get sucks. I don't want to go online figure out what program I want then go hunt for the correct name to use to install it.

But you missed the biggest reason for linux suckage, drivers and driver configuration. Which all has to do with linux developers being retard and doing their best to change the kernal every 10 minutes to break any binary drivers.

Oh and your right that sudo is completely and utterly worthless. Most people don't give a damn if their OS gets hosed all they care about is their data and linux does nothing to protect it.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Although I agree Ubuntu is easy, but...until either 1.Game and multimedia develop Linus friendly support, Linus will never be mainstream. Too many people game and multimedia these days; or 2. the linux distros find a way to make that shite work,

Linus is the name of the head developer, Linux is the kernel. And multimedia support is fine, I have yet to find a video or audio file that I can't play in mplayer.

And how much of a pain in the ass is it to get mplayer to work?

 

[Markbnj]

Nothinman, n0cmonkey, drag, myself and others answer questions here all the time on how to use the command line and how to get the most out of linux. The OP didn't come here wanting to learn; he came here to rant on something he clearly understood very little about. (and I don't mean just that he doesn't understand linux; his problem is that he doesn't understand that other people don't want the same things he does)

I wasn't defending the OP, and the fact that a few of you knowlegeable Linux users help out others on the forums here hasn't the slightest impact on what I said. I assume you don't think the community here is typical of the average computer user? This is the thing many of you just can't seem to get used to: computers are mass-market appliances now. They aren't going to be any less so in the future.

 

[Nothinman]

I agree the apt-get sucks. I don't want to go online figure out what program I want then go hunt for the correct name to use to install it.

Then how do you find out what programs you want to install in Windows?

But you missed the biggest reason for linux suckage, drivers and driver configuration. Which all has to do with linux developers being retard and doing their best to change the kernal every 10 minutes to break any binary drivers.

Funny, I don't think I've had to do any manual kernel configuration for a few years and the nVidia and VMWare modules always work fine for me.

Oh and your right that sudo is completely and utterly worthless. Most people don't give a damn if their OS gets hosed all they care about is their data and linux does nothing to protect it.

It's impossible to protect a user's data from themselves because they need to have access to it.

And how much of a pain in the ass is it to get mplayer to work?

Add a repository (in Debian you just add 1 line to /etc/apt/sources.list and in Ubuntu you can use the Synaptic GUI to add that line) and then type 'apt-get install mplayer' or use Synaptic to install it.

 

[smack Down]

Add a repository (in Debian you just add 1 line to /etc/apt/sources.list and in Ubuntu you can use the Synaptic GUI to add that line) and then type 'apt-get install mplayer' or use Synaptic to install it.

Sorry doesn't work when I try to play a video file I got the following error
Error opening/initilizing the selected video_out(-vo) device

 

[fraquar]

Originally posted by: smack Down
I agree the apt-get sucks. I don't want to go online figure out what program I want then go hunt for the correct name to use to install it.

But you missed the biggest reason for linux suckage, drivers and driver configuration. Which all has to do with linux developers being retard and doing their best to change the kernal every 10 minutes to break any binary drivers.

Oh and your right that sudo is completely and utterly worthless. Most people don't give a damn if their OS gets hosed all they care about is their data and linux does nothing to protect it.

Ummm, the biggest reason for Linux "suckage:" as you put it is non-disclosure of the information needed for Linux developers to write proper driverrs - since the COMPANIES who manufacture items aren't writing them to begin with.

The Linux community in many cases has to reverse-engineer hardware to be able to write drivers - it's not that they lack the skills - on the contrary the Linux community has some of the best programers in the world. It's just that they have t o re-invent the wheel everytime a company releases a product and refuses to write device drviers for it - and also refuses to give them the basics of what they need to write their own - we have Microsoft's monoploy practices in large part to thank for that.

One only has to go as far as the Nvidia/ATI support level under Linux to understand the root of the problem. Nvidia gives much better support for Linux than ATI - which is why while not impossible to get certain ATI video cards running under Linux - it oftem times gets shunned because there is better support for Nvidia driver wise. Nvidia is far from perfect - but then again their drivers are far from perfect on the Windows platform as well.

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As for your data - if ANY OS gets hosed - the user better have been smart enough and patient enought to do full and incremental backups =- that is if that data is that important enough to begin with. In the absence of a good backup plan - blaming an OS on loss of data is like blaming a thief for stealing your precious possessions - all the while leaving a neon light on your front porch saying "doors open - take what you like - I don't care anyway".

 

[agile]

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: tfinch2
You just suck at it.

And what's plane stupid?

Using an OS should not be a skill.

That is why I use Windows, Linux, AND OSX.

My PC has XP MCE, Vista, and Fedora. My Macbook has OSX and Ubuntu. My Mac Mini has XP Pro, and of course, OSX.

I don't get into the this vs that sh1t - it gets old. Each has its own benefits and pluses. It depends on context, needs, uses, etc.

Arguments run cyclical. If you say learn Linux to have a more robust system, then you should just learn to avoid getting you Windows ePenis infected with eSTDs.

Seriously, I like them all - somewhat. But mark my words, OSX will run on a PC soon. This thread cracked me up, along with its brothers and sisters.

I visualize you as this guy Tick

 

[Random Variable]

Why get so upset over something that's free?

There's a lot of graphical user interfaces--Gnome, KDE, Xfce, Fluxbox, etc. And with OpenGL-accelerated compositing window managers like Compiz or Beryl, you can make your Linux desktop look a lot nicer than Vista.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: smack Down
I agree the apt-get sucks. I don't want to go online figure out what program I want then go hunt for the correct name to use to install it.

But you missed the biggest reason for linux suckage, drivers and driver configuration. Which all has to do with linux developers being retard and doing their best to change the kernal every 10 minutes to break any binary drivers.

Oh and your right that sudo is completely and utterly worthless. Most people don't give a damn if their OS gets hosed all they care about is their data and linux does nothing to protect it.

You should probably cease your posting permanently if this post is any indication of the overall quality of your posts.

While the OP didn't really say anything worthwhile in his post, he did at least put some time and thought into it.
Your post is just useless junk.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: fraquar

Originally posted by: smack Down
I agree the apt-get sucks. I don't want to go online figure out what program I want then go hunt for the correct name to use to install it.

But you missed the biggest reason for linux suckage, drivers and driver configuration. Which all has to do with linux developers being retard and doing their best to change the kernal every 10 minutes to break any binary drivers.

Oh and your right that sudo is completely and utterly worthless. Most people don't give a damn if their OS gets hosed all they care about is their data and linux does nothing to protect it.

Ummm, the biggest reason for Linux "suckage:" as you put it is non-disclosure of the information needed for Linux developers to write proper driverrs - since the COMPANIES who manufacture items aren't writing them to begin with.

The Linux community in many cases has to reverse-engineer hardware to be able to write drivers - it's not that they lack the skills - on the contrary the Linux community has some of the best programers in the world. It's just that they have t o re-invent the wheel everytime a company releases a product and refuses to write device drviers for it - and also refuses to give them the basics of what they need to write their own - we have Microsoft's monoploy practices in large part to thank for that.

One only has to go as far as the Nvidia/ATI support level under Linux to understand the root of the problem. Nvidia gives much better support for Linux than ATI - which is why while not impossible to get certain ATI video cards running under Linux - it oftem times gets shunned because there is better support for Nvidia driver wise. Nvidia is far from perfect - but then again their drivers are far from perfect on the Windows platform as well.

The only reason llinux developers need the specs from the companies to write their own drivers is because they are open source snobs and refuse to have a stable kernal interface. I don't see microsoft developers creating every device driver. Or whining that companies don't post detailed specs online.

 

[Nothinman]

Sorry doesn't work when I try to play a video file I got the following error
Error opening/initilizing the selected video_out(-vo) device

Sorry, it works fine on every machine I've ever installed it on.

The only reason llinux developers need the specs from the companies to write their own drivers is because they are open source snobs and refuse to have a stable kernal interface.

No, the main reason they need the specs is that a number of companies (i.e. Broadcom) still won't release drivers of their own volition. And the fact that the kernel API isn't stable has advantages and disadvantages, the main advantage being that the kernel doesn't hold years of compatibility cruft because when something needs to be changed it just gets done, there's no extra work required to maintain compatibility wrapper functions, preprosser defines, etc.

I don't see microsoft developers creating every device driver. Or whining that companies don't post detailed specs online.

You don't see Linux developers creating every driver either. Some companies (i.e. Intel, HP, Adaptec, Promise, etc) do release their own drivers under the GPL. But I would bet that if MS did start developing drivers that those drivers would be more stable than the crap put out by some of those companies. And you don't see MS developers whining about anything because their development is all done behind closed doors, if their entire development process was out in the open on a forum like lkml then I guarantee you'd see a lot of whining and fighting.

 

[MacAttack]

Linux is a techy/geeky OS. You have to have some technical background to be able to use it. Those that have the technical background to use the OS are at such a great advantage over any MS OS. Linux is definitely not a user friendly OS. If you just want to do email, internet, and basic word processing, there are distros out there that are simple to use. If you want something that is Windows like, I have seen Novell SLED 10 and it is pretty straight forward.

Linux has its advantages in the server worlds. From small servers, to multi-node servers, to full blown Clusters. However, for 99.9% of the home market, it is a MS OS or Mac OS. Linux is simply not user friendly enough to go mainstream for home uses.

Also, if you are new to Linux, why even try to install it? There are several CD bootable versions so you can get used to it: Puppy Dog Linux, Knoppix. Those let you get inside a desktop to see what it is all about without even installing it.

My recommendation is for you to sit back and determine what you need an OS. Weigh the pros and cons of each, then make a decision. I am no Linux expert. I would say I am still a Linux virgin. You can buy a Pentium II computer with 128MB of RAM to run and play with Linux. That way you can destroy the crap out of the software and simply reinstall. Many distros are very simple to install now. The best way to learn Linux is to use it. When you run into a problem, hit the internet for an answer or join a chat somewhere. People most likely will walk you through it.

Please don't generalize something you know little about. This is why you get the people bashing you. I am sure you would have said the same thing 20 years ago when you moved from DOS to Windows 3.0.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: smack Down
The only reason llinux developers need the specs from the companies to write their own drivers is because they are open source snobs and refuse to have a stable kernal interface. I don't see microsoft developers creating every device driver. Or whining that companies don't post detailed specs online.

All Microsoft would have to do is ask for the specs, sign an nda, and they'd get whatever is available. Binary drivers on a free operating system are stupid, and I wish they'd be removed permenantly. It's an affront to consumers everywhere.