New categories of debian:
Preliminary
Investigative
Discarded
sorts as :
p-->i-->d
now all Debian versions read:
s-->t-->u-->p-->i-->d
jk
New categories of debian:
Preliminary
Investigative
Discarded
sorts as :
p-->i-->d
now all Debian versions read:
s-->t-->u-->p-->i-->d
jk
Try Fedora core 2 or Suse 9.1. Both worked with my radeon 9800 just fine. (using fedora2 right now).
I'm also using my logitech mx500 with all of the buttons working great (forward and back) but that requires use of the xmodmap command and a minot xorg.conf tweak.
You've got 3-d acceleration?
X has some decent 2-d drivers and the VESA drivers is a fallback that they use....
Just curious.
X has some decent 2-d drivers and the VESA drivers is a fallback that they use....
Just curious.
I haven't even tried to run any 3d games, it's not something I want to do with this system. I will still boot into windows xp when I want to do some gaming, but that's all I need windows for anymore. I know some people don't like that, but it's fine with me.
(hopefully more new games will have native linux support in the comming years)
(hopefully more new games will have native linux support in the comming years)
There is a good chance the games your playing have linux versions, actually, or can be made to work using WineX (with a performance penalty).
What games?
What games?
Why drag isn't elite i will never know, if ONE person in this forum deserves to be so, iti is him, long explanations, he takes the time, unlike myself and others, drag, you are fvcking amazing!
DRAG FOR ELITE!
DRAG FOR ELITE!
OK, 99% of the losers that claim that linux isn't user friendly have never had the guts to even try Linux, nothingman, n0cmonkey, drag and bingbongwooeyfoooey know this.
We are just trying to be nice towards your dumb asses.
So if you are going to say "linux sux" just STFU! People like drag are woking hard to make this into an informative forum instead of a flamewar forum, you have noithing to say except "linux sucks" just STFU!
We are just trying to be nice towards your dumb asses.
So if you are going to say "linux sux" just STFU! People like drag are woking hard to make this into an informative forum instead of a flamewar forum, you have noithing to say except "linux sucks" just STFU!
i dont know whats up with the debian-gentoo hating, both are great . trash talk doesnt do any good for linux.
Well, what can i say, "stable" is old "unstable" is old "testing" is old and the latter two are just meant to screw up your system.
IMO, using Debian on anything else than a hobby computer is just silly, it is a hobby project where you choose between year old packages or instability.
I got a new favorite, my old one was Slackware, the new one is Arch, i just merged to udev and xorg, it took me 15 minutes and it works just fine.
Groovin: Debian users want to make believe they are 1337 (basicallyy because it is a fvckload of work to get a stable up to date system to work right without any NEW tech) while gentoo users are not (AMD64 complete anyone?)
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Which just proves that you don't know what you're talking about. stable is old on purpose, and unstable and testing aren't "OMFG CVS pulls" recent like Gentoo, but both work fine on atleast half a dozen machines I run and are new enough that I'm not missing anything.
So pretty much any non-commercial distro is just a hobby distro and shouldn't be used for anything?
I've been using udev for a few months with Debian sid without problems and I could care less about X.org's tree since the Debian tree is probably more stable for now.
Udev, 2.6.5 (haven't updated that for a while, and am using custom kernel), Gnome 2.6, etc etc
And perfectly stable.
I am a happy Debian user, and as far as it being a "serious" vs "hobbiest" OS, I'd have you know that it's used in professional settings a hell of a lot more often then Arch.
As far as any Gentoo hating, I've used Gentoo in the past, and I've gotten tired of putting up with it's silliness. I'll probably use it again in the future, it actually is pretty good.
Plus I've figured out what distcc is so that should help out on those crappy compile times.
And perfectly stable.
I am a happy Debian user, and as far as it being a "serious" vs "hobbiest" OS, I'd have you know that it's used in professional settings a hell of a lot more often then Arch.
As far as any Gentoo hating, I've used Gentoo in the past, and I've gotten tired of putting up with it's silliness. I'll probably use it again in the future, it actually is pretty good.
Plus I've figured out what distcc is so that should help out on those crappy compile times.
klixxer, i dont really think its that debian users think theyre 733t h4X0rs, i think its that debian and gentoo have some similar features so competition between the two is a natural result. but i do wish that rather than spending all this arguing over who's more stable got better toys, they would focus on learning from each other thus improving both OSs and making life for everyone in penguin land better.
but thats thinking rationally, and u know how much people hate doing that.
but thats thinking rationally, and u know how much people hate doing that.
Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
teet haxors?
I think there should be a study in the different dialects of leet speak. Or maybe how it has changed over the years. The 7=L thing seems to be fairly old school.
The debian vs. gentoo fights remind me of the Democrat vs. Republican parties in the U.S. Common, we can all we one great unfied community.
Hm, I waste less time maintaining my debian machines than I have any other OSes, it's just as stable for me as any other OS has ever been (i.e. I can run it for months with zero problems), and I am not missing any "new tech" that I'm wanting, but I guess maybe you use some crazy software that releases every 3 days, or you want those "OMFG CVS pulls" that Nothinman so eloquently mentioned.
No offense, but you sound pretty ignorant, and yet you're bashing debian, which has been around for about a decade I believe, and has plenty of users who are extremely knowledgable and able to make intelligent decisions -- and they continue to use debian. How can you sit there and seriously say that debian is only appropriate for a hobby computer?
Originally posted by: pitupepito2000
The debian vs. gentoo fights remind me of the Democrat vs. Republican parties in the U.S. Common, we can all we one great unfied community.
Damn straight. Use slackware.
This is so wrong, in so many levels. First "stable," "unstable," and "testing" are different branches, and they serve different purposes. Here's a few quotes from the Debian website:
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Stable:
The ?stable? distribution contains the latest officially released distribution of Debian.
This is the production release of Debian, the one which we primarily recommend using.
The current ?stable? distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version 3.0r2, codenamed woody. It was released on November 21st, 2003.
Testing:
The ?testing? distribution contains packages that haven't been accepted into a ?stable? release yet, but they are in the queue for that. The main advantage of using this distribution is that it has more recent versions of software, and the main disadvantage is that it's not completely tested and has no official support from Debian security team. The current ?testing? distribution is sarge.
Unstable:
The ?unstable? distribution is where active development of Debian occurs. Generally, this distribution is run by developers and those who like to live on the edge.
The ?unstable? distribution is called sid.
5.6 What does the testing directory contain?
Packages are installed into the `testing' directory after they have undergone some degree of testing in unstable.
They must be in sync on all architectures where they have been built and mustn't have dependencies that make them uninstallable; they also have to have fewer release-critical bugs than the versions currently in testing. This way, we hope that `testing' is always close to being a release candidate.
More information about the status of "testing" in general and the individual packages is available at http://www.debian.org/devel/testing
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Debian is not an OS for hobbies, it is a serious stable rock OS. It has a great package management, which is more than what I can say of other OS'es. It's stable and cares about security. The developers are nice people to talk to as long as you have done some RTFM before asking question. Linux is a community, we shouldn't be bashing one another.
Good luck,
pitupepito
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: pitupepito2000
The debian vs. gentoo fights remind me of the Democrat vs. Republican parties in the U.S. Common, we can all we one great unfied community.
Damn straight. Use slackware.
I knew we were going to have som Ralph Nader supporters here
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Especially considering that HP uses Debian for their internal development machines and has a Debian support program, I guess HP is just a small-time hobby shop :/
http://www.hp.com/hps/linux/lx_debian.html
http://opensource.hp.com/opensource_projects.html
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