Linux Distributions - expensive - and cheap versions

wjgollatz

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I will have an AMD 64 syste,, and would liek to us ea 64-bit Linux OS for a partition. Mandrake sells one for about $125 or $175. Being that I only want Linux - is to take use the freeware - that's still a large price. There is a site that is sellign distribution disks for about $15.

Just what is the difference? Support and or documentation? Would documentation be included in electronic form on the disc only versions?

And - would any of the 64-bit version work for the AMD 64? I have only been able to see one distributor actually market a distribution for the AMD 64. Is that the only one that would work, or will the other ones work as well?
 

yankeesfan

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You could just download the distro for free, burn the image to a disc, get the documentation from the internet, and use it. Many popular distros have a 64-bit edition. Gentoo, Mandrake, SuSE, etc.
 

drag

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With Mandrake, for instance, you get extra documentation, some extra support, and access to newer OSes and such first, If I remember. Also sometimes you can get extra software, like cross-over office so that you can install certain versions Microsoft Office on your computer or make Evolution work with a exchange server. Stuff like that.

If you go to their websites they will outline what benifits you get with which price. The more you pay the more goodies you can get.

Also Suse, Fedora, and Gentoo (among others) offer AMD64 versions of their operating systems.

If you don't care anything about the extras and just want to use the OS and depend on Google.com for all your support ;). Then you can head on down to http://www.linuxiso.org/ and find many links to ISO images you can download and burn to blank cdroms to make bootable install cdroms.

Of course it helps a lot to have a fast internet connection.

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If you can't find AMD64 version from linuxiso you can check out the ftp sites of the various distros or see if you can find official bittorrent links like this one: http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/
 

wjgollatz

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Woul done have to finf an "AMD Version" or any 64-bit pc version of Linux to run on an AMD? I've only seen one specified for the AMD 64. I was at the SUSE website before - it seems to have bad navigation and I never saw anything for it.
 

drag

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You can run 32bit versions perfectly fine on AMD64 hardware, just like you would with windows.

The only difference is that you take a slight performance hit ( <5%) and you can't have more then 4gigs of RAM (without hacks). With AMD64 you have the streamlined instruction set (doesn't mean much to a normal user) and the ability to run massive amounts of RAM.

If you want to you can run 32bit versions, I don't think you would be able to tell the difference if you sat a 32bit Linux OS next to a 64bit OS and compared, unless your running a database or a large server or something like that.

Suse is a bit funny. For a long long time they DID NOT have a install cdrom you could download. They have a netinstall cdrom were you boot the computer off of the cdrom and download the packages from ftp servers as you need them, instead of off the cdrom. It's a bit difficult at first, but you get used to it quickly.

If you want mandrake here is were you can download Mandrake 10 for x86-64 (AMD64).
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/m.../devel/iso/10.0/amd64/">ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pu......el/iso/10.0/amd64/</a>
AMD64 versions tend to lag behind i586 (regular 32bit version) versions a bit, Right now version 10.1 is the newest mandrake version out for i585, but 10.1 for x86-64 is still in the "release canadate" stage, which means that it's not considured entirely stable yet.

10.1 for i586 (32bit PC's)
ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/m...x/devel/iso/10.1/i586/

If your going to use Mandrake, join the mandrakeclub if you'd like. It'll allow you privilaged access to the newest versions as they get released, before they get released to the general public.


For Suse here is one netinstall howto
for the i386 (for 32bit x86 machines) go here for the boot disk
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/current/boot/">ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/current/boot/</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/x86_64/current/boot/">ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/x86_64/current/boot/</a>

Be sure to choose a mirror near you... ftp.suse.com is located in germany and will probably be slow and busy. You can speed up the time if you substitute the ftp sites for someplace close to you. Also after you choose a mirror write down the mirror and the path to the installation packages, because they may change slightly.

Good luck.

And if all that is to complicated or to much of a hassle right now. Check out Knoppix. It's a Debian based OS that boots off of the cdrom and it doesn't require any files to be installed on your harddrive to run.
 

Rottie

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Please correct me if you download from the website you might not get tech support for free?
 

drag

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It depends on the software and the company.

With Redhat if you pay for the software and you download it from their official servers using a account they gave you then they will support you if you pay for it.

For free versions like Fedora, or free downloads from other companies won't include support except thru the community. Support costs money, your paying for the tech's hourly wages. :)
(which makes sense to me, when you buy a OS from Redhat your realy buying a limited software support contract. More pricy versions offer more support depending on your needs.)


Any questions you have on the support side of things you should contact the company in question, personally I've never used any of their services so I can't attest to the actual details...

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If you need Redhat Linux ES or WS because it's certified with some sort of software you want to use, but you dont' want to pay the fees for it, then there are free/no-costs distros that take Redhat's source code and build a clone out of it that will work as well as Redhat's.
 

Sunner

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Originally posted by: Rottie
Please correct me if you download from the website you might not get tech support for free?

Offering free support to the masses would be a good way to use up all your money, but a less than ideal way to build a strong company.

That said, support is available just about anywhere on the net, here, other tech sites, Linux sites, etc etc.
 

Sunner

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
you pay for linux:Q

We do at work.
And I've bought like 5-10 Linux distros myself, just to support them, same as I do with every OpenBSD release.
 

Rottie

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I bought old Suse Linux 7.2 several years ago and I never bother to call tech support because I have not installed it yet and it was already more than 60 days.