Linux Article/ Linux Coverage

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: VinDSL

Originally posted by: SickBeast
IMO in the long term, more and more people will move to Linux...

AT covers Mac stuff; there's probably only so much niche stuff they can cover.

Funny you should mention Mac!

I've noticed a LOT of MacBook owners are installing Ubuntu 9.04 and lovin' it...

'Jaunty' is a very polished system - right up there with Mac OS X and 7 IMHO.

It's only a matter of time...

I will tell you as a laptop owner, Ubuntu's fatal flaw right now is power management. It has always had problems with suspend, sleep, and hibernation. MacOS is bar none the best operating system for laptop users due to its far superior power management and stability. I know someone who has not restarted their macbook for years and has not had a single crash.

 

[TheStu]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: VinDSL

Originally posted by: SickBeast
IMO in the long term, more and more people will move to Linux...

AT covers Mac stuff; there's probably only so much niche stuff they can cover.

Funny you should mention Mac!

I've noticed a LOT of MacBook owners are installing Ubuntu 9.04 and lovin' it...

'Jaunty' is a very polished system - right up there with Mac OS X and 7 IMHO.

It's only a matter of time...

I will tell you as a laptop owner, Ubuntu's fatal flaw right now is power management. It has always had problems with suspend, sleep, and hibernation. MacOS is bar none the best operating system for laptop users due to its far superior power management and stability. I know someone who has not restarted their macbook for years and has not had a single crash.

I think that someone might want to check Software Update, see if maybe there are 2 or 3 dozen updates that they might be missing.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: TheStu
I think that someone might want to check Software Update, see if maybe there are 2 or 3 dozen updates that they might be missing.

I can see the future...

In the future, Ubuntu will be able to sleep and hibernate on all computers. SickBeast, however, will be too fed up to bother with it after all of the headaches it gave him over the years.

I also predict that the software updates you are referring to will not fix my problem.

I will try it and report back.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: TheStu
I think that someone might want to check Software Update, see if maybe there are 2 or 3 dozen updates that they might be missing.

I can see the future...

In the future, Ubuntu will be able to sleep and hibernate on all computers. SickBeast, however, will be too fed up to bother with it after all of the headaches it gave him over the years.

I also predict that the software updates you are referring to will not fix my problem.

I will try it and report back.

 

[SickBeast]

BTW I'll bet the Mac still has better power management than Ubuntu.

 

[Nothinman]

I will tell you as a laptop owner, Ubuntu's fatal flaw right now is power management. It has always had problems with suspend, sleep, and hibernation. MacOS is bar none the best operating system for laptop users due to its far superior power management and stability. I know someone who has not restarted their macbook for years and has not had a single crash.

It depends heavily on the hardware and the drivers. In this case OS X works better simply because their supported hardware base is that much smaller. Linux power management has been a big topic on lkml the past few years and things are being worked out. Linus has always been a huge proponent of suspend and AFAIK it's worked on his setup for some time now. The main problem overall is that debugging suspend and hibernate is a huge PITA because once you shutdown the display and hard disk where do you log any errors to?

I also predict that the software updates you are referring to will not fix my problem.

I'm pretty sure he's referring to your friend who hasn't rebooted his Mac in years and as such is running with an exploitable kernel.

 

[lxskllr]

Ubuntu suspend works flawlessly on my Eee900. That's the only (Linux)computer I have significant suspend time with.

 

[accguy9009]

Originally posted by: Ryan Smith
No, it's quite alive, it's just also quite delayed. It probably would have been up today, but I've been spending all night rebuilding my file server (which is necessary for some of the benchmarks) which has pushed it back just a little more. Look for it by the end of this week or the start of next, depending on what our publishing schedule is like.

Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, with a follow-up piece looking at 9.04. After that... we'll see what the response is to the first two articles.

Did I miss something or is the Linux piece by Ryan Smith delayed yet again?
Why does AnandTech keep saying the piece is on the way? Come on Ryan, get it up or
wave the white flag and give another staff typist a crack at it.

 

[VinDSL]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I will tell you as a laptop owner, Ubuntu's fatal flaw right now is power management. It has always had problems with suspend, sleep, and hibernation. MacOS is bar none the best operating system for laptop users due to its far superior power management and stability...

Okay, I'll give you that...

Mac is is best OS when your computer is off!

LoL! To each his own...

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: accguy9009

Originally posted by: Ryan Smith
No, it's quite alive, it's just also quite delayed. It probably would have been up today, but I've been spending all night rebuilding my file server (which is necessary for some of the benchmarks) which has pushed it back just a little more. Look for it by the end of this week or the start of next, depending on what our publishing schedule is like.

Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, with a follow-up piece looking at 9.04. After that... we'll see what the response is to the first two articles.

Did I miss something or is the Linux piece by Ryan Smith delayed yet again?
Why does AnandTech keep saying the piece is on the way? Come on Ryan, get it up or
wave the white flag and give another staff typist a crack at it.

Hopefully it goes up soon.

 

[RobertAlvarez]

If Ryan ever tells you that he'll meet you at 6 PM, you really need to ask what year, just to be safe.

 

[tdawg]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
Vista is the best recruiter for Linux, not AnandTech, but don't despair!

The problem with places like this is... users are emotionally or practically wedded to Windows! It's the battered wife syndrome, in effect...

LoL! MS is in deep shit if 7 doesn't work - and it won't! 7 is Vista with lipstick, and ppl will sober up to that fact, once the honeymoon is over!

I'm with Sylvanas! You're looking for love in the wrong places.

This forum is simply a humorous distraction for most of us, chronicling the gradual erosion of Windows.

When I started posting over here, a year ago, I felt intimidated at times. There were some really smart ppl in this forum - but they've all headed for higher ground. All that's left is a few old skool provocateurs (with devil avatars) that enjoy beating ppl down with their biting sarcasm and high post counts. This too shall pass...

Kinda sad, really... watching Microsoft's monkey army slip and fall on banana peels, but nothing lasts forever. Hang in there...

I digress: Speaking of Mint, I encoded this (YouTube) video last night, using Avidemux 2.4.4 under 'Felicia' x64.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5XAEl9dd_s (Click the HD button)

Check out the res in HD!

Heh! They don't know what they're missing, do they?!?!?

This is too funny. Acting all high and mighty, when in reality you are the exact type of person you rail against, just for a different side. Your just the guy on the other end of the teeter totter, balancing out the MS fanboy by being a Linux fanboy.

 

[tdawg]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: soonerproud
Considering the openly anti-semite attitude of the developer, Anand should absolutely not cover Linux Mint. Anand should not support open racism in any form and there are actual real distros to cover instead of a repackaged and rebranded Ubuntu.

Outside of that, I agree that there should be better Linux coverage here at AT.

I didn't agree with his sharing his views on the Israeli/Palestinian issue, and felt that Clem should have posted his personal views elsewhere. After I an many others including some of his fellow developers let him know that he apologized to the entire community, users and developers alike and moved his personal opinion to his personal blog.

To characterize his views as anti-semitic is simply false. He never said anything negative about Jewish people, Jewish culture, or Jewish existence...not even a little bit negative. I disagreed with his view that Israel as a nation is more wrong than Palestine for the violence, and would have not continued using the distro if he had not agreed to keep his personal opinions personal. He gave a proper apology to the community, many of whom are like myself very mush pro Israel. All that said to claim that anyone who doesn't take Israels side is an anti-Semite is pretty ignorant.

As for your comments about Mint. They reflect your ignorance about Linux. Ubuntu itself is based on Debian, so you would have a problem with Ubuntu too if you were being consistent, which I'll bet you are not (uyou just want to take a shot). Mint uses Ubuntu packages, but is its own Distro, just as Ubuntu, which uses Debian packages and code is its own distro. Get a clue about what you are talking about before you post next time, dude.

I hate when someone makes a statement that shows who they really are and then they try to cover up what they said with a lame apology that doesn't mean squat. Sure he can say he's sorry, but it doesn't mean he's still racist. Why support a guy that spouts garbage, when there are many great alternative distros. I personally suggest PCLinuxOS 2009.

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: tdawg

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: soonerproud
Considering the openly anti-semite attitude of the developer, Anand should absolutely not cover Linux Mint. Anand should not support open racism in any form and there are actual real distros to cover instead of a repackaged and rebranded Ubuntu.

Outside of that, I agree that there should be better Linux coverage here at AT.

I didn't agree with his sharing his views on the Israeli/Palestinian issue, and felt that Clem should have posted his personal views elsewhere. After I an many others including some of his fellow developers let him know that he apologized to the entire community, users and developers alike and moved his personal opinion to his personal blog.

To characterize his views as anti-semitic is simply false. He never said anything negative about Jewish people, Jewish culture, or Jewish existence...not even a little bit negative. I disagreed with his view that Israel as a nation is more wrong than Palestine for the violence, and would have not continued using the distro if he had not agreed to keep his personal opinions personal. He gave a proper apology to the community, many of whom are like myself very mush pro Israel. All that said to claim that anyone who doesn't take Israels side is an anti-Semite is pretty ignorant.

As for your comments about Mint. They reflect your ignorance about Linux. Ubuntu itself is based on Debian, so you would have a problem with Ubuntu too if you were being consistent, which I'll bet you are not (uyou just want to take a shot). Mint uses Ubuntu packages, but is its own Distro, just as Ubuntu, which uses Debian packages and code is its own distro. Get a clue about what you are talking about before you post next time, dude.

I hate when someone makes a statement that shows who they really are and then they try to cover up what they said with a lame apology that doesn't mean squat. Sure he can say he's sorry, but it doesn't mean he's still racist. Why support a guy that spouts garbage, when there are many great alternative distros. I personally suggest PCLinuxOS 2009.

He never ever said anything racist, so that part of your post is meaningless other than as an example of how quickly people rush to label someone they don't know without any reason to.

Next time read first (you'll see there are no quotes to back that view), then make sure you understand and then reply. The poster who accused him of being a racist never saw the actual post, and I never said he was a racist either, and I have seen the post. If you personally have seen the post and can quote from it, do so to back yourself up, or else don't call someone you have never met in your life a racist based on nothing.

As for PCLinux, I tried it and it was good, but not updated on a regular schedule.

 

[tdawg]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: tdawg

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: soonerproud
Considering the openly anti-semite attitude of the developer, Anand should absolutely not cover Linux Mint. Anand should not support open racism in any form and there are actual real distros to cover instead of a repackaged and rebranded Ubuntu.

Outside of that, I agree that there should be better Linux coverage here at AT.

I didn't agree with his sharing his views on the Israeli/Palestinian issue, and felt that Clem should have posted his personal views elsewhere. After I an many others including some of his fellow developers let him know that he apologized to the entire community, users and developers alike and moved his personal opinion to his personal blog.

To characterize his views as anti-semitic is simply false. He never said anything negative about Jewish people, Jewish culture, or Jewish existence...not even a little bit negative. I disagreed with his view that Israel as a nation is more wrong than Palestine for the violence, and would have not continued using the distro if he had not agreed to keep his personal opinions personal. He gave a proper apology to the community, many of whom are like myself very mush pro Israel. All that said to claim that anyone who doesn't take Israels side is an anti-Semite is pretty ignorant.

As for your comments about Mint. They reflect your ignorance about Linux. Ubuntu itself is based on Debian, so you would have a problem with Ubuntu too if you were being consistent, which I'll bet you are not (uyou just want to take a shot). Mint uses Ubuntu packages, but is its own Distro, just as Ubuntu, which uses Debian packages and code is its own distro. Get a clue about what you are talking about before you post next time, dude.

I hate when someone makes a statement that shows who they really are and then they try to cover up what they said with a lame apology that doesn't mean squat. Sure he can say he's sorry, but it doesn't mean he's still racist. Why support a guy that spouts garbage, when there are many great alternative distros. I personally suggest PCLinuxOS 2009.

He never ever said anything racist, so that part of your post is meaningless other than as an example of how quickly people rush to label someone they don't know without any reason to.

Next time read first (you'll see there are no quotes to back that view), then make sure you understand and then reply. The poster who accused him of being a racist never saw the actual post, and I never said he was a racist either, and I have seen the post. If you personally have seen the post and can quote from it, do so to back yourself up, or else don't call someone you have never met in your life a racist based on nothing.

As for PCLinux, I tried it and it was good, but not updated on a regular schedule.

Not to derail this thread from the main topic of Linux coverage by AnandTech, but I guess how one interprets what Clement said is what matters. Your interpretation of his words speaks to this as well:

his view that Israel as a nation is more wrong than Palestine for the violence

For those of you that haven't seen Clement's post, it's here. In my opinion, it's a very narrowminded, and I think can be categorized as racist, viewpoint. I'm curious if he would instead accept money from Hamas? Israel and the Israeli people have been dealing with regular antagonists since the state was established in 1948. The Palenstinians are right to be upset since the British government promised the land to Palestine, but then Hitler killed 6 million jews and the world felt it was more than necessary to give the remaining jews a place to live free from tyranny and aggression. Obviously they have not succeeded in this endeavor.

I think Americans would take the same position as the Israeli government to a certain extent if we were regularly the victims of suicide attacks. Now, the Israeli government's support of building settlements to expand the borders is antagonistic in it's own right and the current battle being waged is between both sides feeling they have been wronged. Only rational thought and mutual respect of the man standing across from him will win out in this.

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: tdawg

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: tdawg

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: soonerproud
Considering the openly anti-semite attitude of the developer, Anand should absolutely not cover Linux Mint. Anand should not support open racism in any form and there are actual real distros to cover instead of a repackaged and rebranded Ubuntu.

Outside of that, I agree that there should be better Linux coverage here at AT.

I didn't agree with his sharing his views on the Israeli/Palestinian issue, and felt that Clem should have posted his personal views elsewhere. After I an many others including some of his fellow developers let him know that he apologized to the entire community, users and developers alike and moved his personal opinion to his personal blog.

To characterize his views as anti-semitic is simply false. He never said anything negative about Jewish people, Jewish culture, or Jewish existence...not even a little bit negative. I disagreed with his view that Israel as a nation is more wrong than Palestine for the violence, and would have not continued using the distro if he had not agreed to keep his personal opinions personal. He gave a proper apology to the community, many of whom are like myself very mush pro Israel. All that said to claim that anyone who doesn't take Israels side is an anti-Semite is pretty ignorant.

As for your comments about Mint. They reflect your ignorance about Linux. Ubuntu itself is based on Debian, so you would have a problem with Ubuntu too if you were being consistent, which I'll bet you are not (uyou just want to take a shot). Mint uses Ubuntu packages, but is its own Distro, just as Ubuntu, which uses Debian packages and code is its own distro. Get a clue about what you are talking about before you post next time, dude.

I hate when someone makes a statement that shows who they really are and then they try to cover up what they said with a lame apology that doesn't mean squat. Sure he can say he's sorry, but it doesn't mean he's still racist. Why support a guy that spouts garbage, when there are many great alternative distros. I personally suggest PCLinuxOS 2009.

He never ever said anything racist, so that part of your post is meaningless other than as an example of how quickly people rush to label someone they don't know without any reason to.

Next time read first (you'll see there are no quotes to back that view), then make sure you understand and then reply. The poster who accused him of being a racist never saw the actual post, and I never said he was a racist either, and I have seen the post. If you personally have seen the post and can quote from it, do so to back yourself up, or else don't call someone you have never met in your life a racist based on nothing.

As for PCLinux, I tried it and it was good, but not updated on a regular schedule.

Not to derail this thread from the main topic of Linux coverage by AnandTech, but I guess how one interprets what Clement said is what matters. Your interpretation of his words speaks to this as well:

his view that Israel as a nation is more wrong than Palestine for the violence

For those of you that haven't seen Clement's post, it's here. In my opinion, it's a very narrowminded, and I think can be categorized as racist, viewpoint. I'm curious if he would instead accept money from Hamas? Israel and the Israeli people have been dealing with regular antagonists since the state was established in 1948. The Palenstinians are right to be upset since the British government promised the land to Palestine, but then Hitler killed 6 million jews and the world felt it was more than necessary to give the remaining jews a place to live free from tyranny and aggression. Obviously they have not succeeded in this endeavor.

I think Americans would take the same position as the Israeli government to a certain extent if we were regularly the victims of suicide attacks. Now, the Israeli government's support of building settlements to expand the borders is antagonistic in it's own right and the current battle being waged is between both sides feeling they have been wronged. Only rational thought and mutual respect of the man standing across from him will win out in this.

What could you possibly find in that statement that is racist? I am a Republican and oppose the actions of our current government. Am I a racist too? That is ridiculous! I had not posted the link previously, because I did not want to degrade this topic into a sideshow debate about Israel and the middle east, when I don't live there (thank God) and don't know what it is to walk in their shoes. This is the problem I had with Clem's post. It is impossible for a rational person who is a native speaker of English to interpret opposition to the actions of a government as racist, unless of course you re-define racism.

Please post the text you found to be racist, next to a dictionary definition of the word 'racist' and tell me where you believe you see a racist comment. I posted previously that when the post first came out, I was furious and posted some pretty vitriolic statements, and along with others threatened to leave the distro. Then I calmed myself down, re-read the words and saw that while I still passionately disagreed with him (I think he is completely wrong), that he has a right to have his opinion. I was still thinking of leaving the distro, but then he did the right thing and moved the comment of the Mint blog which was never intended to be a political blog to begin with and apologised for the acrimony created by his statement.

Again, I challenge you to put a quote from the posting and then say, that this viewpoint can reasonably be called racist. I'll tell you what I told Soonerproud, words like "racist" and "antisemite" are loaded words way too easily thrown around these days. The American left is doing that with regularity these days in regard to my party and it makes me sick to hear it go unchallenged by the national media.

By the wording in your post, we seem to actually agree in terms of the Israel/Middle East issue, or if anything I think I am more pro Israel than you. I just don't think it is right to call someone a bigot for disagreeing with me! Peace.

 

[VinDSL]

LoL!

This is one of the things I L-O-V-E about Linux - discussions like this!

BTW, the Jewish State, so called, wasn't established in 1948 - that's when world-wide recognition finally took place.

Modern Israel, as we know it, was actually started by Jewish Pioneers in the 1880s!

Check your history...

EDIT Here's a link, if you don't believe me:

http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/TIME/Index.html (The Department for Jewish Zionist Education - The Zionist Century Timeline)

LoL! I hope Clem sees this thread. He's a European immigrant himself (France)!

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
LoL!

This is one of the things I L-O-V-E about Linux - discussions like this!

BTW, the Jewish State, so called, wasn't established in 1948 - that's when world-wide recognition finally took place.

Modern Israel, as we know it, was actually started by Jewish Pioneers in the 1880s!

Check your history...

EDIT Here's a link, if you don't believe me:

http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/TIME/Index.html (The Department for Jewish Zionist Education - The Zionist Century Timeline)

LoL! I hope Clem sees this thread. He's a European immigrant himself (France)!

Jews had their own country for centuries before the being ruled by the Romans. It was the Romans who changed the name to Palestine. The Israelis had a lot more land back then too, so maybe the 'Palestinians' should count their blessings for waht they have.