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[lxskllr]

I haven't seen soonerproud state anything that wasn't a fact. Mint isn't any different from Ubuntu, than KUbuntu or XUbuntu are. There's only so much page space available on a general purpose site, and Mint isn't really worth more than a mention in the greater Ubuntu article. Time would be better spent going over some other popular distros that aren't minor tweaks to an existing package.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez
I am taking that post in the context of all your other posts. by itself it is not obnoxious, but since you have been belittling Mint and hijacking the thread with your other posts, I put that statement in the context of your other posts. Dude, I am getting bored with this, are you???

Instead of leaving it alone and agreeing to disagree, you have been constantly challenging me and trying to disprove what I posted and even resorted to name calling. YOU are the one acting like a hater because you are pissed I have posted accurate info and you can not counter it.

Go back and read our post (I did) and you will see the only one coming across as a zealot and a hater is you because you can not stand someone to have a different opinon than you. You are not going to very well recieved here if you keep it up.

I did not hijack your thread. You pushed the issue, not I and I stayed on topic too. You lost, get over it and move on.

Good Day.

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez
I am taking that post in the context of all your other posts. by itself it is not obnoxious, but since you have been belittling Mint and hijacking the thread with your other posts, I put that statement in the context of your other posts. Dude, I am getting bored with this, are you???

Instead of leaving it alone and agreeing to disagree, you have been constantly challenging me and trying to disprove what I posted and even resorted to name calling. YOU are the one acting like a hater because you are pissed I have posted accurate info and you can not counter it.

Go back and read our post (I did) and you will see the only one coming across as a zealot and a hater is you because you can not stand someone to have a different opinon than you. You are not going to very well recieved here if you keep it up.

I did not hijack your thread. You pushed the issue, not I and I stayed on topic too. You lost, get over it and move on.

Good Day.

I posted articles from actual Linux experts, you just ignored them. The thread was started to get AT to resume Linux coverage, and my suggesting of Mint would have been incidental had you not made adhominem attacks on the Mint team and Distro. Read your own post and you'll see.

Keep drinking that KoolAid pal.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez
I posted articles from actual Linux experts, you just ignored them. The thread was started to get AT to resume Linux coverage, and my suggesting of Mint would have been incidental had you not made adhominem attacks on the Mint team and Distro. Read your own post and you'll see.

Keep drinking that KoolAid pal.

Distrowatch and the Mint Wiki are hardly Linux experts and are poor sources.

Edit: This post is proof the only hater and KoolAid drinker is you.

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: lxskllr
I haven't seen soonerproud state anything that wasn't a fact. Mint isn't any different from Ubuntu, than KUbuntu or XUbuntu are. There's only so much page space available on a general purpose site, and Mint isn't really worth more than a mention in the greater Ubuntu article. Time would be better spent going over some other popular distros that aren't minor tweaks to an existing package.

soonerproud said: "Considering the openly anti-semite attitude of the developer, Anand should absolutely not cover Linux Mint. Anand should not support open racism in any form and there are actual real distros to cover instead of a repackaged and rebranded Ubuntu. "
That statement was a fact????? It was an opinion and further more an unsubstantiated ad hominem attack. So you are already wrong, unless you can locate an anti-semitic or openly racist statement.

As far as your statement that, "Mint isn't really worth more than a mention in the greater Ubuntu article", find a major Linux site that agrees that Mint is only worth a mention in an Ubuntu Article. That is no different than saying that Ubuntu only deserves to be mentioned as a footnote to Debian since it is based on Debian (ridiculous). That is your and soonerproud's opinion and not a fact as you call it.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez


soonerproud said: "Considering the openly anti-semite attitude of the developer, Anand should absolutely not cover Linux Mint. Anand should not support open racism in any form and there are actual real distros to cover instead of a repackaged and rebranded Ubuntu. "
That statement was a fact????? It was an opinion and further more an unsubstantiated ad hominem attack. So you are already wrong, unless you can locate an anti-semitic or openly racist statement.

That was a minor footnote to a greater point, which is Mint is a minor rehash of Ubuntu

As far as your statement that, "Mint isn't really worth more than a mention in the greater Ubuntu article", find a major Linux site that agrees that Mint is only worth a mention in an Ubuntu Article. That is no different than saying that Ubuntu only deserves to be mentioned as a footnote to Debian since it is based on Debian (ridiculous). That is your and soonerproud's opinion and not a fact as you call it.

This isn't a major Linux site. Major Linux sites don't have anything better to do than go over excruciatingly small details about every distro. A general purpose site is better suited to covering the major distros which Ubuntu is a part of, and Mint isn't.

 

[KeypoX]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez
Dude, you're just a hater, pure and simple!

What is your problem? What was inaccurate about that?

I am taking that post in the context of all your other posts. by itself it is not obnoxious, but since you have been belittling Mint and hijacking the thread with your other posts, I put that statement in the context of your other posts. Dude, I am getting bored with this, are you???

im not. LOL

 

[Crusty]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: Crusty
Can you install/use Mint without touching the Ubuntu repositories?

Crusty, I don't believe so. Mint Main (Gnome) and CE versions (KDE, XFCE, Fluxbox) use Ubuntu packages, so I am assuming no, but that is not a bad thing. By using Ubuntu packages, Mint mainains close (99% compatibility) to Ubuntu, which means you can use the thousands of software titles that are compiled for Ubuntu.

A working Debian version of Mint was developed and there have been efforts by some in the Mint to develop a CE of Mint using Debian instead of Ubuntu, so it is possible in the future, although there isn't a great deal of clamor in the community for it. If you want to learn about the community's efforts at a Debian version of Mint, you should check the Mint forum for the Debian CE section.

Personally, it doesn't make sense to much sense to me to go to a pure Debian distro, unless Ubuntu changes for the worst. Since Ubuntu continues to improve with each release, compatibility with it continues to be a good thing for Mint in my opinion.

If it's 99% compatible it might as well be Ubuntu IMO. From what I can tell the only thing they offer that might be attractive are their user land tools. Ubuntu's gnome tools have gotten a LOT better recently, most specifically network-manager. In the end it's really personal preference on what you like considering Mint is no different then XUbuntu, KUbuntu and the like.

They should rename it to Mint Ubuntu!

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: lxskllr
<<I haven't seen soonerproud state anything that wasn't a fact. Mint isn't any different from Ubuntu, than KUbuntu or XUbuntu are. There's only so much page space available on a general purpose site, and Mint isn't really worth more than a mention in the greater Ubuntu article. Time would be better spent going over some other popular distros that aren't minor tweaks to an existing package.

soonerproud said: "Considering the openly anti-semite attitude of the developer, Anand should absolutely not cover Linux Mint. Anand should not support open racism in any form and there are actual real distros to cover instead of a repackaged and rebranded Ubuntu. "
That statement was a fact????? It was an opinion and further more an unsubstantiated ad hominem attack. So you are already wrong, unless you can locate an anti-semitic or openly racist statement.

As far as your statement that, "Mint isn't really worth more than a mention in the greater Ubuntu article", find a major Linux site that agrees that Mint is only worth a mention in an Ubuntu Article. That is no different than saying that Ubuntu only deserves to be mentioned as a footnote to Debian since it is based on Debian (ridiculous). That is your and soonerproud's opinion and not a fact as you call it.

You sure are petty and vindictive. My point is made you can't stand a opinion that differs from yours considering you are now attacking lxskllr too.

People, don't feed the troll!

I am done here and will let you flame away on others that disagree with you until the mods step in and ban your ass. I tried to be nice, heck I even properly welcomed you to the forum but you have been nothing but rude the entire time.

How much you want to bet people who read this thread are going to be less inclined to try Mint because of the behavour of the OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez


soonerproud said: "Considering the openly anti-semite attitude of the developer, Anand should absolutely not cover Linux Mint. Anand should not support open racism in any form and there are actual real distros to cover instead of a repackaged and rebranded Ubuntu. "
That statement was a fact????? It was an opinion and further more an unsubstantiated ad hominem attack. So you are already wrong, unless you can locate an anti-semitic or openly racist statement.

That was a minor footnote to a greater point, which is Mint is a minor rehash of Ubuntu

As far as your statement that, "Mint isn't really worth more than a mention in the greater Ubuntu article", find a major Linux site that agrees that Mint is only worth a mention in an Ubuntu Article. That is no different than saying that Ubuntu only deserves to be mentioned as a footnote to Debian since it is based on Debian (ridiculous). That is your and soonerproud's opinion and not a fact as you call it.

This isn't a major Linux site. Major Linux sites don't have anything better to do than go over excruciatingly small details about every distro. A general purpose site is better suited to covering the major distros which Ubuntu is a part of, and Mint isn't.

lxskllr said "That was a minor footnote to a greater point, which is Mint is a minor rehash of Ubuntu"
Minor footnote??? If you read his statement it is the lead point. His post leads with this point and then at the end he disses the distro as being, "repackaged and rebranded Ubuntu". If you think those last words were the main point of that post, you need work on your reading comprehension.

No one argues that Mint is not based on Ubuntu's packages, but in the world of Linux, everything other than Debian, slackware, red hat, gentoo and a few others uses and builds on the works of others. Ubuntu was made from Debian, do you discount it for that fact?? Attacking Mint this way (as he definitely did) suggests that it is ridiculous and definitely inaccurate. Mint is probably could just as accurately be called a Debian based distro that uses Ubuntu's packaging.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

lxskllr said "That was a minor footnote to a greater point, which is Mint is a minor rehash of Ubuntu"
Minor footnote??? If you read his statement it is the lead point. His post leads with this point and then at the end he disses the distro as being, "repackaged and rebranded Ubuntu". If you think those last words were the main point of that post, you need work on your reading comprehension.

I guess I'm just better at filtering out personal commentary than you are ;^)

The political views of the devs don't really concern me, so the main point I got out of that statement is that Mint is too close to Ubuntu to warrant a full article, which is correct.

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: Crusty
Can you install/use Mint without touching the Ubuntu repositories?

Crusty, I don't believe so. Mint Main (Gnome) and CE versions (KDE, XFCE, Fluxbox) use Ubuntu packages, so I am assuming no, but that is not a bad thing. By using Ubuntu packages, Mint mainains close (99% compatibility) to Ubuntu, which means you can use the thousands of software titles that are compiled for Ubuntu.

A working Debian version of Mint was developed and there have been efforts by some in the Mint to develop a CE of Mint using Debian instead of Ubuntu, so it is possible in the future, although there isn't a great deal of clamor in the community for it. If you want to learn about the community's efforts at a Debian version of Mint, you should check the Mint forum for the Debian CE section.

Personally, it doesn't make sense to much sense to me to go to a pure Debian distro, unless Ubuntu changes for the worst. Since Ubuntu continues to improve with each release, compatibility with it continues to be a good thing for Mint in my opinion.

If it's 99% compatible it might as well be Ubuntu IMO. From what I can tell the only thing they offer that might be attractive are their user land tools. Ubuntu's gnome tools have gotten a LOT better recently, most specifically network-manager. In the end it's really personal preference on what you like considering Mint is no different then XUbuntu, KUbuntu and the like.

They should rename it to Mint Ubuntu!

Dude when you first put your question I detected it as a question with an agenda. I answered it honestly. Since Ubuntu is based on Debian, why not use Debian instead. Why not change Ubuntu's name to Debian Ubuntu? That's how ridiculous your post was.

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: lxskllr
The political views of the devs don't really concern me, so the main point I got out of that statement is that Mint is too close to Ubuntu to warrant a full article, which is correct.

That's your opinion and not fact. Your opinion is unsupported by facts. That's my opinion. See how that works? You are speaking from your point of view and I am speaking from mine. Don't be so arrogant as to claim that your opinions should be regarded as facts...unless you think you are God that is.

 

[RobertAlvarez]

I'm racking up posts quick. Since I and my fellow debaters aren't getting close to agreement, and I have a life, I will only reply to future posts, if they bring some new argument, interest me in some unforeseen way, or really, really tick me off!! It's been fun.

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: MrChadTo the OP: What exactly are you looking for? This forum is a perfect venue for you to start a discussion about any Linux distribution. The main Anandtech site is a better resource for articles on hardware rather than software anyway.

I agree. I have always come to AT for hardware advice, and getting the best performance for my budget when building a new system. For me the discussion changed, when soonerproud went on the attack with claims of racism and anti-semitism...etc.

My original intent was just to prod AT into finally finishing their long promised article, which is why I included a poll. The suggestion of covering Mint specifically was not the main point I made. Besides, it's not as if AT can only cover one distro for all of eternity, or should only cover distros that don't in any way depend on other distros for code and packages - that would leave a lot of the hottest flavors of Linux out of the loop.

 

[Crusty]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: Crusty
Can you install/use Mint without touching the Ubuntu repositories?

Crusty, I don't believe so. Mint Main (Gnome) and CE versions (KDE, XFCE, Fluxbox) use Ubuntu packages, so I am assuming no, but that is not a bad thing. By using Ubuntu packages, Mint mainains close (99% compatibility) to Ubuntu, which means you can use the thousands of software titles that are compiled for Ubuntu.

A working Debian version of Mint was developed and there have been efforts by some in the Mint to develop a CE of Mint using Debian instead of Ubuntu, so it is possible in the future, although there isn't a great deal of clamor in the community for it. If you want to learn about the community's efforts at a Debian version of Mint, you should check the Mint forum for the Debian CE section.

Personally, it doesn't make sense to much sense to me to go to a pure Debian distro, unless Ubuntu changes for the worst. Since Ubuntu continues to improve with each release, compatibility with it continues to be a good thing for Mint in my opinion.

If it's 99% compatible it might as well be Ubuntu IMO. From what I can tell the only thing they offer that might be attractive are their user land tools. Ubuntu's gnome tools have gotten a LOT better recently, most specifically network-manager. In the end it's really personal preference on what you like considering Mint is no different then XUbuntu, KUbuntu and the like.

They should rename it to Mint Ubuntu!

Dude when you first put your question I detected it as a question with an agenda. I answered it honestly. Since Ubuntu is based on Debian, why not use Debian instead. Why not change Ubuntu's name to Debian Ubuntu? That's how ridiculous your post was.

Hardly, does an Ubuntu install point to the Debian repos for it's install and subsequent updates? I don't think so. If Mint provided their OWN packages in their OWN repos I would agree that it should be classified separately. Instead Mint uses the Ubuntu repos and comes with a different set of defaults and packages installed then a traditional Ubuntu, but it's still the same Ubuntu packages.

If anyone here has an agenda it seems to be you by not understanding how Mint is not unlike Xubuntu and the other clones. Just because it doesn't have 'ubuntu' in the name doesn't mean it's not Ubuntu with a different skin.

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: Crusty
Can you install/use Mint without touching the Ubuntu repositories?

Crusty, I don't believe so. Mint Main (Gnome) and CE versions (KDE, XFCE, Fluxbox) use Ubuntu packages, so I am assuming no, but that is not a bad thing. By using Ubuntu packages, Mint mainains close (99% compatibility) to Ubuntu, which means you can use the thousands of software titles that are compiled for Ubuntu.

A working Debian version of Mint was developed and there have been efforts by some in the Mint to develop a CE of Mint using Debian instead of Ubuntu, so it is possible in the future, although there isn't a great deal of clamor in the community for it. If you want to learn about the community's efforts at a Debian version of Mint, you should check the Mint forum for the Debian CE section.

Personally, it doesn't make sense to much sense to me to go to a pure Debian distro, unless Ubuntu changes for the worst. Since Ubuntu continues to improve with each release, compatibility with it continues to be a good thing for Mint in my opinion.

If it's 99% compatible it might as well be Ubuntu IMO. From what I can tell the only thing they offer that might be attractive are their user land tools. Ubuntu's gnome tools have gotten a LOT better recently, most specifically network-manager. In the end it's really personal preference on what you like considering Mint is no different then XUbuntu, KUbuntu and the like.

They should rename it to Mint Ubuntu!

Dude when you first put your question I detected it as a question with an agenda. I answered it honestly. Since Ubuntu is based on Debian, why not use Debian instead. Why not change Ubuntu's name to Debian Ubuntu? That's how ridiculous your post was.

Hardly, does an Ubuntu install point to the Debian repos for it's install and subsequent updates? I don't think so. If Mint provided their OWN packages in their OWN repos I would agree that it should be classified separately. Instead Mint uses the Ubuntu repos and comes with a different set of defaults and packages installed then a traditional Ubuntu, but it's still the same Ubuntu packages.

If anyone here has an agenda it seems to be you by not understanding how Mint is not unlike Xubuntu and the other clones. Just because it doesn't have 'ubuntu' in the name doesn't mean it's not Ubuntu with a different skin.

My original post made my agenda clear, which was to prod AT into finishing their long overdue article on Linux. It was your buddy sonnerpride's ad hominum attack that changed the friendly tone of the discussion.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez
My original post made my agenda clear, which was to prod AT into finishing their long overdue article on Linux. It was your buddy sonnerpride's ad hominum attack that changed the friendly tone of the discussion.

Don't blame me because you want to act like a jackass.

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez
My original post made my agenda clear, which was to prod AT into finishing their long overdue article on Linux. It was your buddy sonnerpride's ad hominum attack that changed the friendly tone of the discussion.

Don't blame me because you want to act like a jackass.

This from a guy who uses a green goblin avatar!
I think you are talking about yourself dude.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez
My original post made my agenda clear, which was to prod AT into finishing their long overdue article on Linux. It was your buddy sonnerpride's ad hominum attack that changed the friendly tone of the discussion.

Don't blame me because you want to act like a jackass.

This from a guy who uses a green goblin avatar!
I think you are talking about yourself dude.

WTF?!?!

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez
My original post made my agenda clear, which was to prod AT into finishing their long overdue article on Linux. It was your buddy sonnerpride's ad hominum attack that changed the friendly tone of the discussion.

Don't blame me because you want to act like a jackass.

This from a guy who uses a green goblin avatar!
I think you are talking about yourself dude.

WTF?!?!

Your telling me.

 

[VinDSL]

LoL!

Tough crowd, huh?

I tried to warn you...

 

[RobertAlvarez]

Originally posted by: VinDSL
LoL!

Tough crowd, huh?

I tried to warn you...

Not that bad on the whole. I only had real conflict with that one poster, soonerproud. I don't think I'm on his Christmas list. Other than him, it was relatively civil. I enjoy debating in general, but usually it's about politics or religion and not PC's and OS's.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: RobertAlvarez
Not that bad on the whole. I only had real conflict with that one poster, soonerproud. I don't think I'm on his Christmas list. Other than him, it was relatively civil. I enjoy debating in general, but usually it's about politics or religion and not PC's and OS's.

Get a clue about what you are talking about before you post next time, dude

Sir, I wish you nothing but the best on your eternal search for a clue!

Dude, you're just a hater, pure and simple!

You then proceeded to high jack the thread, and begin bashing Mint. Get a life, or at least a clue! Quit your flaming, bashing, and hating. Thanks.

Keep drinking that KoolAid pal.

If you think those last words were the main point of that post, you need work on your reading comprehension.

Dude when you first put your question I detected it as a question with an agenda.

That's your opinion and not fact. Your opinion is unsupported by facts. That's my opinion. See how that works? You are speaking from your point of view and I am speaking from mine. Don't be so arrogant as to claim that your opinions should be regarded as facts...unless you think you are God that is.

I'm racking up posts quick. Since I and my fellow debaters aren't getting close to agreement, and I have a life, I will only reply to future posts, if they bring some new argument, interest me in some unforeseen way, or really, really tick me off!! It's been fun.

This from a guy who uses a green goblin avatar!

From the moment ANYONE DISAGREES WITH YOU you immediately resort to name calling, calling people clueless and go out of your way to bait them and pick a fight. You started it and then you blame others for your nasty behaviour because they just so happen to disagree with you.

Then you go on to later admit you were out to pick a fight and debate (I.E. FLAME) with any one who disagrees with you.

When I gracefully bow out of the thread, you just can't leave it alone and continue to mention my name and blame me for your obvious intent to behave badly from the very beginning the moment anyone disagrees with you.

YOU ruined your own thread and you continue to blame me even after I left it.

I am one of the nicest, most graceful posters on this board. But I am no pushover either and will not allow you to continue to attack me for expressing my opinion about Clem, Linux Mint or any thing else for that matter. This forum is open to the public and is a free speech zone. If you don't want others opinions then you should just go and post on the Mint forum where I am certain every Tom, Dick and Harry will agree with just about every thing you say.

My opinion was not a "ad hominum attack" like you keep implying. It was MY OPINION PURE AND SIMPLE.

Now, if you really want to be civil, Quit mentioning my name every time some one replies to you and just drop it. I am willing to bow out of the thread if YOU WILL LEAVE IT ALONE!

If you continue you will prove you are nothing more than a useless troll that wants to pick a fight.

I would say have a nice day but I could care less if you do.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: soonerproud
My opinion was not a "ad hominum attack" like you keep implying. It was MY OPINION PURE AND SIMPLE.

I think where the disconnect really lies between you two is the one is looking at Mint's "minority" status from an architectural/dependency/software-versioning perspective. The other was interpreting those words from a popularity/credibility/impact-on-the-community perspective.

Your statements never attacked or "dissed" Mint, but from the latter perspective, they could be misconstrued.