>>> Linear Versus Cyclic Time <<<

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Satya-yuga:
1,728,000 human years

Treta-yuga:
1,296,000 human years

Dvapara-yuga:
864,000 human years

Kali-yuga:
432,000 human years

Vaisnava Philosophy Ages (All categories of Vaisnava Philosophy: The Roots of Existence)


Edit: more info on time

Another point illustrating the advanced nature of the Vedic Aryan civilization is their conception of the universal time scale. The time factor is calculated as affecting various levels of the universe differently. For example, a day for the demigods is equal to six months for humans on planet earth. And a year is calculated as 360 human years, while 12,000 years of the gods is said to be but one blink of the eye of Maha Vishnu. For Lord Brahma, the highest of all the demigods, his day equals one thousand cycles of the combined four ages of Satya, Treta, Dvapara, and Kali-yugas. This amounts to 4.3 billion years, at the end of which is his night when there is a partial annihilation of the universe, which includes the earth. After an equal number of years, Brahma's day begins again, and that which is destroyed is again created or revived.


In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna tells Arjuna:

" All the worlds from Brahma's world (the universe) are periodic. Arjuna. They, those who know the day and night, know that the day of Brahma is a thousand yugas long and a night is a thousand yugas long. From the unmanifested, all the manifest things spring forth on the arrival of the day (of Brahma). On the onset of night all these sink into what is called the unmanifested. Partha, (Arjuna), this multitude of created things having existed over and over again and helplessly destroyed at the onset of night, spring forth on the onset of day."

All this sounds a little like the modern theory of an oscillating universe that begins with a big bang that all matter flying out until the outrushing matter comes to a halt and collapses back into a tiny speck, leading to another big bang, and so on. An entire cycle according to present-day cosmological ideas could take 10,000million to 20,000 million years. It seems incredible that the ancient Hindus could hit upon this idea thousands of years ago. Some biased scholars have tended to dismiss this agreement of the order of length of the cycle as a mere coincidence.


"Interestingly, modern science has estimated that the age of the earth is about 4 billion years. Scholars feel it is uncanny that the Vedic Aryans could have conceived of such a vast span of time over 3,500 years ago that would be similar to the same figure estimated by science today."

(source: The Secret Teachings of the Vedas - By Stephen Knapp p. 25)

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dabuddha

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god not iskon
they really give hinduism a bad name with their cult-like behavior.
I actually almost missed my flight at the airport cause one of their members was trying to make me take a "free" book but then demanded a donation.
 

UNCjigga

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Heh I think us Jains use the same sort of 'Wheel of Time' calendar...according to our calendar we're now living in the Age of "Everything Goes to Sh!t"...and we've got a few tens of thousands of years left before "Things are Getting Better"
 

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Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Heh I think us Jains use the same sort of 'Wheel of Time' calendar...according to our calendar we're now living in the Age of "Everything Goes to Sh!t"...and we've got a few tens of thousands of years left before "Things are Getting Better"

haha...the "everything goes to sh!t" age would be Kali-yuga. We have already passed 5000 yrs, with 427,000 yrs to go. At this time it is believed that the Kalki Avatar will descend or according to Christianity, the Second Coming of Christ and Armageddon.
 

dabuddha

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oh but they do refer to hindu dietys giving them bad names
so in a way, they do
most of them are a bunch of cretins
 

bean52

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Originally posted by: dabuddha
oh but they do refer to hindu dietys giving them bad names
so in a way, they do
most of them are a bunch of cretins

Dabuddha, I hope you are happy and well. Here's an article entitled Krishna Consciousness -- Hindu Cult or Divine Culture?. Here's a quote from the last paragraph:

"The Krishna consciousness movement has nothing to do with the Hindu religion or any system of religion. No Christian gentleman will be interested in changing his faith from Christian to Hindu. Similarly, no Hindu gentleman of culture will be ready to change to the Christian faith. Such changing is for men who have no particular social status. But everyone will be interested in understanding the philosophy and science of God and taking it seriously."

It was written by Srila Prabhupada, the founder acarya (spiritual teacher) of ISKCON, who belongs to an unbroken disciplic succession started by Shri Krishna through Lord Brahma and includes authorities like Narada Muni, Srila Vyasadeva, Sripada Madhavacarya, and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Yes, ISKCON has had its fair share of troubles following the death of Srila Prabhupada in 1977, but what organization hasn't. He was known for bringing Krishna Consciousness (Santana Dharma) to the western world and his good friend George Harrison popularized the Hare Krishna mantra.
 

dabuddha

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Originally posted by: bean52
Originally posted by: dabuddha
oh but they do refer to hindu dietys giving them bad names
so in a way, they do
most of them are a bunch of cretins

Dabuddha, I hope you are happy and well. Here's an article entitled Krishna Consciousness -- Hindu Cult or Divine Culture?. Here's a quote from the last paragraph:

"The Krishna consciousness movement has nothing to do with the Hindu religion or any system of religion. No Christian gentleman will be interested in changing his faith from Christian to Hindu. Similarly, no Hindu gentleman of culture will be ready to change to the Christian faith. Such changing is for men who have no particular social status. But everyone will be interested in understanding the philosophy and science of God and taking it seriously."

It was written by Srila Prabhupada, the founder acarya (spiritual teacher) of ISKCON, who belongs to an unbroken disciplic succession started by Shri®&oacute;&ccedil;?shna through Lord Brahma and includes authorities like Narada Muni, Srila Vyasadeva, Sripada Madhavacarya, and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Yes, ISKCON has had its fair share of troubles following the death of Srila Prabhupada in 1977, but what organization hasn't. He was known for bringing Krishna Consciousness (Santana Dharma) to the western world and his good friend George Harrison popularized the Hare Krishna mantra.

bean52, i probably know more about this than you do. i never said they're trying to promote hinduism because they don't truly believe in true hinduism. I said they're giving hinduism a bad name by their actions. and this is a fact
 

bean52

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Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: bean52
Originally posted by: dabuddha
oh but they do refer to hindu dietys giving them bad names
so in a way, they do
most of them are a bunch of cretins

Dabuddha, I hope you are happy and well. Here's an article entitled Krishna Consciousness -- Hindu Cult or Divine Culture?. Here's a quote from the last paragraph:

"The Krishna consciousness movement has nothing to do with the Hindu religion or any system of religion. No Christian gentleman will be interested in changing his faith from Christian to Hindu. Similarly, no Hindu gentleman of culture will be ready to change to the Christian faith. Such changing is for men who have no particular social status. But everyone will be interested in understanding the philosophy and science of God and taking it seriously."

It was written by Srila Prabhupada, the founder acarya (spiritual teacher) of ISKCON, who belongs to an unbroken disciplic succession started by Shri®&oacute;&ccedil;?shna through Lord Brahma and includes authorities like Narada Muni, Srila Vyasadeva, Sripada Madhavacarya, and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Yes, ISKCON has had its fair share of troubles following the death of Srila Prabhupada in 1977, but what organization hasn't. He was known for bringing Krishna Consciousness (Santana Dharma) to the western world and his good friend George Harrison popularized the Hare Krishna mantra.

bean52, i probably know more about this than you do. i never said they're trying to promote hinduism because they don't truly believe in true hinduism. I said they're giving hinduism a bad name by their actions. and this is a fact


May I care to ask what you believe true Hinduism is?
 

dabuddha

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Originally posted by: bean52
Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: bean52
Originally posted by: dabuddha
oh but they do refer to hindu dietys giving them bad names
so in a way, they do
most of them are a bunch of cretins

Dabuddha, I hope you are happy and well. Here's an article entitled Krishna Consciousness -- Hindu Cult or Divine Culture?. Here's a quote from the last paragraph:

"The Krishna consciousness movement has nothing to do with the Hindu religion or any system of religion. No Christian gentleman will be interested in changing his faith from Christian to Hindu. Similarly, no Hindu gentleman of culture will be ready to change to the Christian faith. Such changing is for men who have no particular social status. But everyone will be interested in understanding the philosophy and science of God and taking it seriously."

It was written by Srila Prabhupada, the founder acarya (spiritual teacher) of ISKCON, who belongs to an unbroken disciplic succession started by Shri®&oacute;&ccedil;?shna through Lord Brahma and includes authorities like Narada Muni, Srila Vyasadeva, Sripada Madhavacarya, and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Yes, ISKCON has had its fair share of troubles following the death of Srila Prabhupada in 1977, but what organization hasn't. He was known for bringing Krishna Consciousness (Santana Dharma) to the western world and his good friend George Harrison popularized the Hare Krishna mantra.

bean52, i probably know more about this than you do. i never said they're trying to promote hinduism because they don't truly believe in true hinduism. I said they're giving hinduism a bad name by their actions. and this is a fact


May I care to ask what you believe true Hinduism is?

i'd be more than willing to discuss it over the phone or in person if you're serious. typing it all out would just take too long and i can't afford the time.
 

bean52

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Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: bean52
Originally posted by: dabuddha
Originally posted by: bean52
Originally posted by: dabuddha
oh but they do refer to hindu dietys giving them bad names
so in a way, they do
most of them are a bunch of cretins

Dabuddha, I hope you are happy and well. Here's an article entitled Krishna Consciousness -- Hindu Cult or Divine Culture?. Here's a quote from the last paragraph:

"The Krishna consciousness movement has nothing to do with the Hindu religion or any system of religion. No Christian gentleman will be interested in changing his faith from Christian to Hindu. Similarly, no Hindu gentleman of culture will be ready to change to the Christian faith. Such changing is for men who have no particular social status. But everyone will be interested in understanding the philosophy and science of God and taking it seriously."

It was written by Srila Prabhupada, the founder acarya (spiritual teacher) of ISKCON, who belongs to an unbroken disciplic succession started by Shri®&oacute;&ccedil;?shna through Lord Brahma and includes authorities like Narada Muni, Srila Vyasadeva, Sripada Madhavacarya, and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Yes, ISKCON has had its fair share of troubles following the death of Srila Prabhupada in 1977, but what organization hasn't. He was known for bringing Krishna Consciousness (Santana Dharma) to the western world and his good friend George Harrison popularized the Hare Krishna mantra.

bean52, i probably know more about this than you do. i never said they're trying to promote hinduism because they don't truly believe in true hinduism. I said they're giving hinduism a bad name by their actions. and this is a fact


May I care to ask what you believe true Hinduism is?

i'd be more than willing to discuss it over the phone or in person if you're serious. typing it all out would just take too long and i can't afford the time.

You cannot afford the time to write a response, but are willing to meet in person. That doesn't make sense (unless you live near me). Here's my email: satya2012@hotmail.com if you change your mind. Better yet, why not show me some websites that explain what 'true Hinduism" is.