Lincoln Qoute...funny

[nageov3t]

let's be honest... the troops or their families probably aren't watching CSPAN or putting much stock in anything Ted Kennedy says.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Abraham Lincoln
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged.

The good news is, regardless of stupidity like the "Patriot" act, we still have a First Amendment right to free speech. That includes the right to disagree publically with the actions of the government.

How many of you self-styled neocons are willing to give it up? Before you answer, remember, the other side may return to power, and you may want to exercise that right.

Originally posted by: conjur
In that case, we should be trying our President and most of his administration for high crimes for knowingly endangering the lives of our soldiers.

Endangering their lives isn't the problem. That's part of using military force, and it's the President's duty to use such force wisely and responsibly.

Bush-lite has done neither. His entire pretext for invading Iraq was based on lies, fraud and deceit, costing thousands of American lives and tens of thousands more lives of others.

He has also irresponsibly spent us into trillions of dollars of debt that will be a burden for many generations to come. And he has the pissant gall to bitch about being able to fund Social Security benefits. :|

On that basis, one could possibly make a good case that he should be "arrested, exiled, or hanged."

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Deptacon
see but i do see good outcomes and motives. Look at lebanon, look at egypt. look at sadi. all of them planning some sort of QUAsi free elections.
Lebannon is protesting syrian occupation and demanding free elections

Egypt has been havin protests for a week demanding REAL free elcetions (not saddam style ones)

Saudi is starting to have elections...no women, still restriced, BUT STILL A START.

IMHO i see that the iraq elections stir things up all over the middle east. showing people it can happen, and everyone is gonna push for it themselves, without us having to ...umm....help with a little muscle....like we did in iraq..hehehe...

So, that was worth $200 billion, 1500 dead American soldiers, a few hundred dead "coalition" soldiers, a few hundred dead contractors, and tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians?

There's no way diplomacy would have worked the same solution?

1st diploamcy donest workwitha crack hea dlike saddam, 10 yrs prove that...

2nd, 100 of contractors havent died, dont make up numbers, im going over there to be a contractor in a yr, if they were droipping like that i wouldnt do it....
tens of thousands dead iraq civilans,...wow....you just keep making em up dont you?

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Abraham Lincoln
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged.

The good news is, regardless of stupidity like the "Patriot" act, we still have a First Amendment right to free speech. That includes the right to disagree publically with the actions of the government.

How many of you self-styled neocons are willing to give it up? Before you answer, remember, the other side may return to power, and you may want to exercise that right.

Originally posted by: conjur
In that case, we should be trying our President and most of his administration for high crimes for knowingly endangering the lives of our soldiers.

Endangering their lives isn't the problem. That's part of using military force, and it's the President's duty to use such force wisely and responsibly.

Bush-lite has done neither. His entire pretext for invading Iraq was based on lies, fraud and deceit, costing thousands of American lives and tens of thousands more lives of others.

He has also irresponsibly spent us into trillions of dollars of debt that will be a burden for many generations to come. And he has the pissant gall to bitch about being able to fund Social Security benefits. :|

On that basis, one could possibly make a good case that he should be "arrested, exiled, or hanged."

thats like the IRS holding the CEO of walmart responsible for a 2 dollar mistake on income becuase a cashier didint ring it up.....

he went of intelliegence he had.....same as the brits, french, germans and russinas,...all the same intel.... that wmd's were there...stil la stupid reason to go...nonethelss....you cant hold him for a fu*k up in intel...

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Deptacon
cool pic/qoute I found

Funny Pic

In that case, we should be trying our President and most of his administration for high crimes for knowingly endangering the lives of our soldiers.

I guess we should try every President since every President has knowingly put the lives of soldiers in danger. That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever seen you say, and that's really saying something.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Deptacon
cool pic/qoute I found

Funny Pic

This just reinforces that even our greatest President occasionally experienced mental abberations. If you'll recall, Lincoln also entertained a plan for shipping all blacks back to Africa.

Of course, Ted Kennedy is a Senator, not a Congressman. So even if the "Lincoln Rule" were the law of the land, it wouldn't apply.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Deptacon
cool pic/qoute I found

Funny Pic

This just reinforces that even our greatest President occasionally experienced mental abberations. If you'll recall, Lincoln also entertained a plan for shipping all blacks back to Africa.

Of course, Ted Kennedy is a Senator, not a Congressman. So even if the "Lincoln Rule" were the law of the land, it wouldn't apply.

You know what congress is right? Congress is the senate and house combined. Both Representatives and Senators are "Congressmen."

So, you see, it still does apply.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Deptacon
cool pic/qoute I found

Funny Pic

one might argue that thinking like that is the exact reason a president doesnt wield the power needed to make a decision like that.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Deptacon
cool pic/qoute I found

Funny Pic

This just reinforces that even our greatest President occasionally experienced mental abberations. If you'll recall, Lincoln also entertained a plan for shipping all blacks back to Africa.

Of course, Ted Kennedy is a Senator, not a Congressman. So even if the "Lincoln Rule" were the law of the land, it wouldn't apply.

You know what congress is right? Congress is the senate and house combined. Both Representatives and Senators are "Congressmen."

So, you see, it still does apply.

Well, the term is in fact ambiguous, and usually refers to a member of the House (look it up). I guess we'll need to let some activist judge decide what Lincoln intended.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Deptacon
cool pic/qoute I found

Funny Pic

In that case, we should be trying our President and most of his administration for high crimes for knowingly endangering the lives of our soldiers.

he isnt endagering our lives...fighting is in our job description, sh*t its even in the contract we signed. it even states we could be killed. some people work at wal mart....others are proffesional fighters (us military) chance of being killed ocmes with the job

First off, I surely hope you'll take whatever money you earn from Uncle Sam and put it toward a good foundation in the use of the English language.

Second, yes, our soldiers' lives have been endangered:
1) Being put in theater based upon deception.
2) Being put in theater with improper body armor and vehicular armor.
3) Being forced to act as peacekeepers with about 1/3 the necessary force size that resulted in a drawn-out fight.

....b rgins me back to the whole point how much i hate hearing that bullshit poor soliders this poor soliders he is getting killed. thats a bunch of bullshit, and every person in the military HATES IT when liberal trouble mkaers say that crap to get attention and political points. siging the contract is all voluntary.....

its something that comes with it. and we dont sit around and get into the politics of every situation (iraq) we go do it. but when some blabbering elitest undermines all the reconstruction we do over there everyday...it deonst help the work we are doing. im not saygin we should censor him, he just needs to tone it down. differnce between making a point and arguing his postion against the war, and actaully underminding our efforts like he is

I have nothing but the utmost of respect for anyone that voluntarily signs that dotted line and joins the American armed forces. However, I find it imperative that I speak out when I feel our armed forces are being used improperly. This is the case now, much as it was during the Vietnam War. When soldiers are used for purely political motives when no real benefit is to be seen or had, then that is a misuse of our armed forces and an abuse of the trust they place in the government.

Just like in Vietnam, the worthless liberal left is using the soldiers for political purposes. We resented that then and they resent it now. 52,000 soldiers died in Vietnam for a purpose and the liberals to include Kerry just gave it away! Those lives meant nothing to them! Bye the way, not everyone minds his or her spelling or grammar when posting to an on-line forum. I do because I know how you love to find something trivial to use in deflecting the debate. The purpose is to communicate, not to pass ENG101!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Deptacon
see but i do see good outcomes and motives. Look at lebanon, look at egypt. look at sadi. all of them planning some sort of QUAsi free elections.
Lebannon is protesting syrian occupation and demanding free elections

Egypt has been havin protests for a week demanding REAL free elcetions (not saddam style ones)

Saudi is starting to have elections...no women, still restriced, BUT STILL A START.

IMHO i see that the iraq elections stir things up all over the middle east. showing people it can happen, and everyone is gonna push for it themselves, without us having to ...umm....help with a little muscle....like we did in iraq..hehehe...

So, that was worth $200 billion, 1500 dead American soldiers, a few hundred dead "coalition" soldiers, a few hundred dead contractors, and tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians?

There's no way diplomacy would have worked the same solution?

There is no way diplomacy would have worked a solution at all! Diplomacy would have only given the terrorist time to regroup and continue the attack. That's what you liberals don't get. The world just isn't based on mouth! Scientifically, diplomacy is just so much spittle passing the lips and toner on paper, only worth the strength that makes the enemy fear to break the treaty and that is the military and the will to engage it. Diplomacy is nothing without strength! Speak softly and carry a big stick.