Limits on Logging Are Reinstated

[Vic]

Originally posted by: herm0016
data that supports the statement that most logging is clear cutting would be good, also, many places farm trees like corn. should we be protecting the habitat of the animals that live in corn fields too?

A national forest is not a farm. The limits being discussed here do NOT apply to private lands.

Originally posted by: ahenkel
You know for logging to be a problem for the environment in Oregon again the economy needs to improve and construction needs to happen again. I live pretty close to the Freres Lumber mill in Lyons and they're pretty much at a standstill and basically just hoarding wood till the price of lumber improves the same goes for the Frank lumber mill too.

Shh... we're not supposed to mention that all the lumber mills are closed down anyway due to the housing bust, that there is already a glut of wood on the market, and that a reduction in wood supply would actually help to prop up wood prices.

 

[Gand1]

So.... is Axemen gonna get canceled?

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: herm0016
data that supports the statement that most logging is clear cutting would be good, also, many places farm trees like corn. should we be protecting the habitat of the animals that live in corn fields too?

A national forest is not a farm. The limits being discussed here do NOT apply to private lands.

Originally posted by: ahenkel
You know for logging to be a problem for the environment in Oregon again the economy needs to improve and construction needs to happen again. I live pretty close to the Freres Lumber mill in Lyons and they're pretty much at a standstill and basically just hoarding wood till the price of lumber improves the same goes for the Frank lumber mill too.

Shh... we're not supposed to mention that all the lumber mills are closed down anyway due to the housing bust, that there is already a glut of wood on the market, and that a reduction in wood supply would actually help to prop up wood prices.

I was just thinking the same thing - isn't supply already pretty good for wood? 2x4's and plywood are pretty cheap right now.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: herm0016
data that supports the statement that most logging is clear cutting would be good, also, many places farm trees like corn. should we be protecting the habitat of the animals that live in corn fields too?

A national forest is not a farm. The limits being discussed here do NOT apply to private lands.

Originally posted by: ahenkel
You know for logging to be a problem for the environment in Oregon again the economy needs to improve and construction needs to happen again. I live pretty close to the Freres Lumber mill in Lyons and they're pretty much at a standstill and basically just hoarding wood till the price of lumber improves the same goes for the Frank lumber mill too.

Shh... we're not supposed to mention that all the lumber mills are closed down anyway due to the housing bust, that there is already a glut of wood on the market, and that a reduction in wood supply would actually help to prop up wood prices.

I was just thinking the same thing - isn't supply already pretty good for wood? 2x4's and plywood are pretty cheap right now.

A lot of that Lumber is going over seas to places like Japan who has no timberland to log.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 4Christ

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: 4Christ
Environmentalists don't understand. This Earth was given to MAN by God to do whatever he wants to it until Christ returns.

Who cares if it damages the environment? By the time it's a problem, Christ will have returned and we'll be taken to paradise.

We want to Preserve it. What's the problem?

Besides, "God" doesn't have to Live here, We do.

I understand you want to preserve it, but what is the point? Like I said, by the time it's a problem to us (MAN) - Christ will have returned and taken His followers to paradise. It is also the day everything will be destroyed, so, again, what is the point in preserving it if you know it's going to be destroyed anyway by God during Rapture?

Is this you per chance?

 

[ahenkel]

dammit i'm gonna start rebuking the crap of out of things

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: 4Christ

Environmentalists don't understand. This Earth was given to MAN by God to do whatever he wants to it until Christ returns.

Who cares if it damages the environment? By the time it's a problem, Christ will have returned and we'll be taken to paradise.
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I understand you want to preserve it, but what is the point? Like I said, by the time it's a problem to us (MAN) - Christ will have returned and taken His followers to paradise. It is also the day everything will be destroyed, so, again, what is the point in preserving it if you know it's going to be destroyed anyway by God during Rapture?

Maybe you could take an early flight out and leave the planet for the sane people who want to stick around and maybe even enjoy the place for awhile. You'll be helping to clean up the environment at the same time.

Your freaking jesus, your freaking "god" and a dollar bill aren't worth the pre-tax price of a single item at a 99 Cents Store. :thumbsdown: :|

Do you drive the same model dinosaur as Sarah Palin? :laugh:

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: Gand1
So.... is Axemen gonna get canceled?

my chief concern also....old guy with the boat will still have work I guess.

 

[OCGuy]

Wow, this probably deserves its own thread to counter the OP.


http://www.mnn.com/earth-matte...hts-logging-in-tongass




What do the eco-warriors in this thread think about that?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: 4Christ
Environmentalists don't understand. This Earth was given to MAN by God to do whatever he wants to it until Christ returns.

Who cares if it damages the environment? By the time it's a problem, Christ will have returned and we'll be taken to paradise.

We want to Preserve it. What's the problem?

Besides, "God" doesn't have to Live here, We do.

If you want to preserve it get off the internet, get off your computer, turn off all yourt lights and move out of your house and live off the land. The mere fact that you are using a computer means you are putting more strain on the environemnt than nature intended. IF all the people that wanted to preserve the world really meant, there would be no one online bitching about it and they'd all be living like cavemen. Anything beyond that existance is a strain on the earth.
I think it's time for the "preserve the Earth" people to put up or shut up. They want to preserve the Earth but only in ways that don't inconvience them, but they want everyone else to be inconvenienced.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Wow, this probably deserves its own thread to counter the OP.


http://www.mnn.com/earth-matte...hts-logging-in-tongass




What do the eco-warriors in this thread think about that?

Man logging up there would be tough. I wonder if the Discovery Channel will have a series about it. Ice Road Loggers or something like that.

 

[squirrel dog]

I dropped a log a little earlier , it was large .

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: 4Christ
Environmentalists don't understand. This Earth was given to MAN by God to do whatever he wants to it until Christ returns.

Who cares if it damages the environment? By the time it's a problem, Christ will have returned and we'll be taken to paradise.

We want to Preserve it. What's the problem?

Besides, "God" doesn't have to Live here, We do.

If you want to preserve it get off the internet, get off your computer, turn off all yourt lights and move out of your house and live off the land. The mere fact that you are using a computer means you are putting more strain on the environemnt than nature intended. IF all the people that wanted to preserve the world really meant, there would be no one online bitching about it and they'd all be living like cavemen. Anything beyond that existance is a strain on the earth.
I think it's time for the "preserve the Earth" people to put up or shut up. They want to preserve the Earth but only in ways that don't inconvience them, but they want everyone else to be inconvenienced.

I've seen where they've clear cut vast tracts of forest up in Oregon and it's fucking ugly I don't blame Oregonians for not wanting more of it.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

If you want to preserve it get off the internet, get off your computer, turn off all yourt lights and move out of your house and live off the land. The mere fact that you are using a computer means you are putting more strain on the environemnt than nature intended.

That's a crock. You're saying that the only way to support preserving the earth is to reverse the entirety of the way civilization lives on the planet, today. That's bogus, and you know it.

The point is, that we know a lot more, now, about the mechanisms behind damage we've done to the planet and the destructive course we're on. We also know that continuing on that same course and doing nothing to reverse the damage is guaranteed to cause future problems. The sooner we start, the better our chances of resolving, or at least, limiting, those problems. That's what environmentally sound (green) engineering is about.

Regarding your computer, what makes you think people AREN'T engineering systems that use less power? And what makes you think using computers won't be among the tools we use in figuring out how to resolve these problems?

Clue -- Both are already true.

I think it's time for the "preserve the Earth" people to put up or shut up.

That's what Interior Secretary Ken Salazar did in restoring limits on logging. The Bushwhackos and their short sighted contibutors are the fscktards who removed the limits that were already in place.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

I think it's time for the "preserve the Earth" people to put up or shut up.

That's what Interior Secretary Ken Salazar did in restoring limits on logging. The Bushwhackos and their short sighted contibutors are the ones who removed the limits that were already in place.

Does my article about 4 posts up make them Obamawhackos?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Does my article about 4 posts up make them Obamawhackos?

I'll have to look further into that. On the face of it, I'm not happy about it. I'm afraid there's going to be more give in the give and take of getting anything done, at all, than I'd want to see.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: OCguy

Does my article about 4 posts up make them Obamawhackos?

I'll have to look further into that. On the face of it, I'm not happy about it. I'm afraid there's going to be more give in the give and take of getting anything done, at all, than I'd want to see.

Well at least you come in and respond to it. I'll remove my second comment.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: 4Christ
Environmentalists don't understand. This Earth was given to MAN by God to do whatever he wants to it until Christ returns.

Who cares if it damages the environment? By the time it's a problem, Christ will have returned and we'll be taken to paradise.

We want to Preserve it. What's the problem?

Besides, "God" doesn't have to Live here, We do.

If you want to preserve it get off the internet, get off your computer, turn off all yourt lights and move out of your house and live off the land. The mere fact that you are using a computer means you are putting more strain on the environemnt than nature intended. IF all the people that wanted to preserve the world really meant, there would be no one online bitching about it and they'd all be living like cavemen. Anything beyond that existance is a strain on the earth.
I think it's time for the "preserve the Earth" people to put up or shut up. They want to preserve the Earth but only in ways that don't inconvience them, but they want everyone else to be inconvenienced.

ridiculous

 

[Jaskalas]

Any land protected by the government, should be owned by the government.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Any land protected by the government, should be owned by the government.

I know I've already said it 3 times before in this thread, but this protection applies ONLY to govt owned lands.

:roll:

 

[ZeGermans]

not to burst your bubble but we're allowing clear cutting on new federal lands now as a nice balance (you'll notice a pattern of Obama not actually acting on any of the liberal ideals he promised)

 

[gingermeggs]

I would consider a "company" that wishes to cut down say 10 two hundred year old trees is justified, as along as it could replant and guarantee the the replacement of those 10 trees- meaning to look after them for two hundred years.
If you can't guarantee that time, well maybe you should only use 25year old trees?
You could use selective harvesting techniques like those used in New Zealand, where they airlift trees out of forests with sky cranes, trees analyzed as approaching life expectancy or at risk, they are state run forest industry. Also the restriction of unsustainable wood products from overseas.
http://www.maf.govt.nz/forestr.../page-01.htm#TopOfPage
So the "idea" of Russian imported timber should also be dealt with at a federal level and enforced by customs at ports(we could and will be talking about other unsustainable industry management practices in the near future).
Old growth timbers are an extremely valuable resource and should be treated as such; not clear felled for wall framing or paper pulp, but used for high quality joinery purposes only.
If only brains grew on trees!

 

[JACKHAMMER]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Any land protected by the government, should be owned by the government.

I disagree, by protecting land now we save it for future generations. Allowing people to destroy what nature has provided for us would be the greatest tragedy we could pass down to our children. Wars end, economies rebound - destroyed land is always destroyed land. A picture I have always found interesting, one that illustrates the drastic differences between hw two governments hand environmental/logging rights Text. But when folks put money before sense or somehow correlate allowing big business to rape the land with personal freedom, it is difficult to argue.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: 4Christ
Environmentalists don't understand. This Earth was given to MAN by God to do whatever he wants to it until Christ returns.

Who cares if it damages the environment? By the time it's a problem, Christ will have returned and we'll be taken to paradise.

I know you're a troll, but Christians are supposed to be stewards of the environment.