thats really cool.
My Sifu was taught by Vunak.
For me its mostly WC, escrima, boxing and brazillian jiu jitsu
thats really cool.
My Sifu was taught by Vunak.
For me its mostly WC, escrima, boxing and brazillian jiu jitsu
Looks like we have similar training...apart from the Navy Seals part. That however only highlighted certain things already taught to me in my other arts. If you have a chance and live in CA, seek out Inosanto. He's the highest ranked JKD trainer out there that still teaches (as I said the guy who's ranked higher doesn't have to teach) and the only one who learned from the inventer himself. He's rank 5...the dude in china is 6...and the only person who will ever be 7 is of course Bruce himself.
Also to add on to another comment I made earlier. You can have all the training in the world but it's discipline that's most important. I can't tell you how many times during the beginning of my training that as soon as the fight started it was as if I forgot all my teachings and went straight into schoolyard style lol.
as they say, your own worst enemy is yourself
and your best self defense is your own mind (awareness, confidence, mental status)
I'm a long long way from Inosanto training, i'm still in my first year.
his jabs are controlled... i'm sure they have some fair amount of force behind them.
velocity is paramount when it comes to punching.
guaranteed this guy can punch faster than anyone in this thread.
yeah, try landing one good punch on a guy that can punch both of your jugulars, poke you in the eye and lock you into several different hand/arm or even neck traps before you can even wind up
Have you ever punched a guy with everything you had and had him turn and smile at you? Didn't think so. I was talking with a buddy of mine at a bus stop when a guy at the school we were going to (who I apparentely punked earlier in the day. I guess I go around punking people without realizing it :roll
came behind me and laid everything he had into the right side of my jaw. Granted i'm not a big guy so I staggered back a couple steps trying to reorient myself. I looked up at the guy and smirked at him. The only thought that went through my head was "this mother fvcker had the balls to hit me" lol. When I smirked at him after he had just put everything into his punch against a guy who wasn't prepared... let's just say the look on his face was great.I'm not trying to say i'm a hardass because i've been laid on my ass by one hit as well...but I got up. Just saying if you go into a fight looking for that one hit that you think will end it...you may find yourself on the end of an ass whooping.
Also you don't have to get a running start and throw your entire weight into a punch for it to be effective. Hense Bruce's 2 inch punch.
as if it's nothing to speak of... having that muscle memory means that he can punch faster than anyone here.
he's doing jeet kun do... dude's name is tommy carruthers.
based on videos i've been seeing, i thought it was something called wing tsun... i was wrong. it seemed to be more about stunning blows and subduing opponents with lightning speed rather than the one hit knockout.
I'm a long long way from Inosanto training, i'm still in my first year.[/quote]
It's never too early to start. You got the right mindset though and you seem to have a good understanding of the art. You watch movies like Karate Kid where he's taught everything but martial arts for awhile and he doesn't understand why. He doesn't see how any of that is helping him learn. A strong mindset and understanding is the first and most important part of being a martial artist.
Originally posted by: MaverickBP
Have you ever punched a guy with everything you had and had him turn and smile at you? Didn't think so. I was talking with a buddy of mine at a bus stop when a guy at the school we were going to (who I apparentely punked earlier in the day. I guess I go around punking people without realizing it :roll
I'm not trying to say i'm a hardass because i've been laid on my ass by one hit as well...but I got up. Just saying if you go into a fight looking for that one hit that you think will end it...you may find yourself on the end of an ass whooping.
Also you don't have to get a running start and throw your entire weight into a punch for it to be effective. Hense Bruce's 2 inch punch.
Bruce Lee also said that 1 good punch is better than shitloads of weak punches. If you actually read Bruce Lee's book and not hear it from "martial art" teacher. I might find an actual quote of Bruce Lee saying that later on.. Remember, Bruce Lee was a good moviemaker, he said that a lot of moves in his movies are for entertainment and to look good. His actual fighting philosophy most closely resembled what UFC looks like now, except a bit less focus on groundwork.
Originally posted by: lyssword
Originally posted by: MaverickBP
Have you ever punched a guy with everything you had and had him turn and smile at you? Didn't think so. I was talking with a buddy of mine at a bus stop when a guy at the school we were going to (who I apparentely punked earlier in the day. I guess I go around punking people without realizing it :roll
I'm not trying to say i'm a hardass because i've been laid on my ass by one hit as well...but I got up. Just saying if you go into a fight looking for that one hit that you think will end it...you may find yourself on the end of an ass whooping.
Also you don't have to get a running start and throw your entire weight into a punch for it to be effective. Hense Bruce's 2 inch punch.
Bruce Lee also said that 1 good punch is better than shitloads of weak punches. If you actually read Bruce Lee's book and not hear it from "martial art" teacher. I might find an actual quote of Bruce Lee saying that later on.. Remember, Bruce Lee was a good moviemaker, he said that a lot of moves in his movies are for entertainment and too look good. His actual fighting philosophy most closely resembled what UFC looks like now, except a bit less focus on groundwork.
yeah, but the one inch punch is based almost solely on speed and focus.
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Originally posted by: lyssword
Originally posted by: MaverickBP
Have you ever punched a guy with everything you had and had him turn and smile at you? Didn't think so. I was talking with a buddy of mine at a bus stop when a guy at the school we were going to (who I apparentely punked earlier in the day. I guess I go around punking people without realizing it :roll
I'm not trying to say i'm a hardass because i've been laid on my ass by one hit as well...but I got up. Just saying if you go into a fight looking for that one hit that you think will end it...you may find yourself on the end of an ass whooping.
Also you don't have to get a running start and throw your entire weight into a punch for it to be effective. Hense Bruce's 2 inch punch.
Bruce Lee also said that 1 good punch is better than shitloads of weak punches. If you actually read Bruce Lee's book and not hear it from "martial art" teacher. I might find an actual quote of Bruce Lee saying that later on.. Remember, Bruce Lee was a good moviemaker, he said that a lot of moves in his movies are for entertainment and to look good. His actual fighting philosophy most closely resembled what UFC looks like now, except a bit less focus on groundwork.
I have 3 books of Bruce Lee. 1 being the one he cowrote with his wife. He does say that a good applied punch can end a fight. However he says it can be done with minimal effort. I was trying to explain that just because the guys punches are all coming from with 12 inches, doesn't mean they are applying any less force than a guy who winds up for one. Bruce Lee made a point to cut the excess energy waste from a punch to make it more efficient. Don't assume you know something about someone before asking. I've done alot more training than "just hearing from some martial art teacher". Also if you knew who Inosanto was, you'd know you can hardly refer to him as just "some teacher".
Bruce lee did a lot of weight training too, he was incredibly ripped/strong for his bodyweight. Not just fast The quote about him saying you won't win with 1 punch is basically saying that you have to be tough and prepared to get hit by opponent. As in you're not fighting a robot, and don't expect that a certain combo will grant you instant win. He certainly didn't say "land a lot of weak punches" he said the opposite actually Those weak fast punches may stun your opponent for a second, but leave you exposed to a good counterpunch. I've seen dozens of vids on youtube seeing regular mma fighter completely destroy so called "tricky masters".
Another thing, the longer you are in the fight the less able you will be able to make complicated, sophisticated and gracious moves. You will only be able to do basic moves with your biggest muscles. It's called fatigue, and everyone will get fatigued, less so for atheletes/wrestlers.
The quote about him saying you won't win with 1 punch is basically saying that you have to be tough and prepared to get hit by opponent. As in you're not fighting a robot, and don't expect that a certain combo will grant you instant win. He certainly didn't say "land a lot of weak punches" he said the opposite actually Those weak fast punches may stun your opponent for a second, but leave you exposed to a good counterpunch. I've seen dozens of vids on youtube seeing regular mma fighter completely destroy so called "tricky masters".Another thing, the longer you are in the fight the less able you will be able to make complicated, sophisticated and gracious moves. You will only be able to do basic moves with your biggest muscles. It's called fatigue, and everyone will get fatigued, less so for atheletes/wrestlers.
Originally posted by: lyssword
Bruce lee did a lot of weight training too, he was incredibly ripped/strong for his bodyweight. Not just fast
Another thing, the longer you are in the fight the less able you will be able to make complicated, sophisticated and gracious moves. You will only be able to do basic moves with your biggest muscles. It's called fatigue, and everyone will get fatigued, less so for atheletes/wrestlers.
Yes he did do alot of weight training...I never said anything against that. However I did say he focused on not building up the biceps as it would slow his snap down. That he did do. Bruce Lee was an incredible hitter. The guy in the video may of been fast but that doesn't mean the hits weren't effective. That was the argument I brought up. Bruce Lee showed you don't need a huge wind up to land an incredibly effective punch.
I agree about the fatigue and gracious moves thing. Since you said you read his books, you know Bruce Lee hated that crap. He made many comments about how the "graceful moves were a complete waste of energy/time. He cut out the fat and made it into his own art. He said you're not gonna be approached by someone in the street and be told to get into your fighting stance. You're gonna be attacked from behind and/or without warning. His art he said was developed to be a more realistical fighting style and to cut out the fat of other styles.
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It was in the neck area. If he was making contact, not too much force is required to incapacitate the person. Don't believe me? Try hitting your throat lightly.
power = speed * force. Also, my brother sparred against olympic-level boxer. There is no fucking way you can get any of those punches through if the boxer puts his hands up (shells up). You'll end up with broken fingers hitting his elbow bones. Secondly vs a boxer you are going to close the distance first, and a boxer will time you as you come in, no matter how fast you are.
Thirdly, Bruce Lee emphasized a lot on sparring, not just passively hitting pads or boxing bag or hitting a human punching bag like in this vid.
Oh, and Bruce Lee had 40lb dumbbells he was training his biceps with while watching tv
Thirdly, Bruce Lee emphasized a lot on sparring, not just passively hitting pads or boxing bag or hitting a human punching bag like in this vid.
Oh, and Bruce Lee had 40lb dumbbells he was training his biceps with while watching tv
Originally posted by: lyssword
power = speed * force. Also, my brother sparred against olympic-level boxer. There is no fucking way you can get any of those punches through if the boxer puts his hands up (shells up). You'll end up with broken fingers hitting his elbow bones. Secondly vs a boxer you are going to close the distance first, and a boxer will time you as you come in, no matter how fast you are.
Thirdly, Bruce Lee emphasized a lot on sparring, not just passively hitting pads or boxing bag or hitting a human punching bag like in this vid.
Oh, and Bruce Lee had 40lb dumbbells he was training his biceps with while watching tv
A girl at my work who is retired air force reps with 40 lbs at her desk... Point is he was strengthening that area...not bulking it up.
Yes he emphasized alot on sparring. He also said if you don't have a good abdominal set then you have no business sparring as everyone moment stems from your waist.
Can't remember the name of the art but there's guys who use their fingertips to break board/brick/your brother's elbow
. Also a martial artist will attack the rest of your body while you "shell up". That wasn't even a dispute on whether or not someone's punches would land. Don't know why you keep bringing up new arguments...You obviously speak of only what you MAY have read and what your brother has told you. You proved that with your boxing speech. If you had any training at all you'd know that a boxer can try and hit you as you close the distance. Sure he may even land a hit or two. Doesn't mean I wouldn't be dodging at the same time and/or taking ahold of one of his wrists and breaking that "boney elbow" with my palm/forearm.
You can continue and bring up Bruce Lee references and i'll agree/shoot them down one by one. You won't stump me when it comes to him or his art. Some people read...some people train. I've done both for 17 years. I know what he said...I know why he said it...and i've had real world experience implementing it. I didn't just read it or hear it from someone I knew.
And now it's time to go to the dentist. An unfortunate side effect of this profession lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8UKDzVmzt8
So is that the guy who can break bones you are talking about?
So is that the guy who can break bones you are talking about?
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