Light buld replacement that doesn't suck

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natto fire

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I think they really need to come up with a DC standard for home electrical, in addition to the existing 120/240vac standard. LED bulbs have step down converters as well as rectifiers (the good ones anyway). If there was a standard for DC light sockets you would only have a single converter with it's own breaker box and it would drive all the DC stuff. LED bulbs would pretty much be just an array of LEDs with zero electronics. Perhaps some could have some electronics like temp sensors but you could pretty much have just a bunch of LEDs. In fact this DC standard could extend to things like computers. So many things today use AC to DC adapters, so why not have a DC standard in the home. Basically it would just be a new light socket type and wall socket type.

At first you'd end up having to use retrofit adapters but as you rewire stuff you could add the DC outlets/sockets. 48v would probably be a decent voltage as it would not require too big of cables.

While I see what you are getting at in that it would be more efficient to have one place where rectifying and transforming is occurring, it will still be wasting power at the conversion site. Coupled with running extra dedicated wires, and you are not really saving much. This effect is compounded if you do a whole house like this.

If you do your branch circuit at 110V AC and are behind a 15 amp breaker (still common in residential lighting to this day) you can theoretically run 220 6 watt LED bulbs. Which equals about 1320 watts of lighting. That is within NEC 80% limits and not beyond the scope of many households.

Lets be hyper-optimistic and say the same bulb only uses 3 watts if DC conversion is not done in the bulb. White LEDs seem to prefer 3.4V DC. So to get this same 1320 watt branch circuit, you would need cabling to support a 388 amp load, which is very thick and expensive, even if going with aluminum.

This is the reason that commercial lighting goes the other way and ramps up voltage, to save on transmission losses, and minimize branch circuit complexity. I realize it is probably overkill in a residence, but just to help you see why your idea is bad.

Carmakers have wanted to bump up voltage in cars for this very reason, they are tired of spending extra money to provide several hundred amps to a car when they could be spending less for smaller wires at the same power rating.
 

darkewaffle

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Can anyone comment on how the Cree bulbs do with bugs? I'd read that LED bulbs may reduce their attraction to the light because of reduced/eliminated UV output. I'm thinking of putting some up and fewer bugs would be great.
 

lxskllr

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It also isn't just deferred but completely eliminated energy use if having the bulbs mean they're a net savings. You act as if somehow the mining/burning of coal or natural gas is a cleaner/better act that the assembly of a light bulb. It's not!

Cause the lamps are so environmental, they bend physics, and it costs the same to ship even though they weigh >3x more than incandescents right? The oil fairies also probably give them the petrol for the plastic too. I'm also sure the mercury is sustainably harvested from organic farms by the purest virgins...

This will blow your mind, but the energy coming from your wall isn't the only energy that goes into manufacturing/using a product. That's why you get fuckhead programs like Cash for Clunkers. Cause it's much better to expend energy and resources to build a whole new "environmental" car instead of waiting for the old one to disappear through attrition. It's a five year old's perspective of the world...
 

tortillasoup

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Cause the lamps are so environmental, they bend physics, and it costs the same to ship even though they weigh >3x more than incandescents right? The oil fairies also probably give them the petrol for the plastic too. I'm also sure the mercury is sustainably harvested from organic farms by the purest virgins...
Do you even understand what you're saying? Bend physics? What do you care about the mercury in a CFL when a coal powered plant easily emits more mercury in the lifetime of usage of an incandescent than a CFL. Also CFLs can be recycled, mercury in the air cannot. People have been using tube fluorescent lighting in their houses for decades, hear no complaints about that but tons about some CFLs? Give me a break!
This will blow your mind, but the energy coming from your wall isn't the only energy that goes into manufacturing/using a product. That's why you get fuckhead programs like Cash for Clunkers. Cause it's much better to expend energy and resources to build a whole new "environmental" car instead of waiting for the old one to disappear through attrition. It's a five year old's perspective of the world...
You're right, there is a lot of energy that goes into the production of the bulb. However, because the bulb is only $10, it's safe to assume that less than $10 of energy was put into the production of that light bulb. So if I save money on the lifetime of the bulb, then I'm saving the environment, etc.
Cash for Clunkers wasn't about being green, it was basically a give away to the automakers. Most of the replacement vehicles were gas guzzling trucks. The whole program was a complete abomination. I'm against a lot of what the govt. does but when it comes to the energy efficiency standards such as CAFE and appliances efficiency, I begrudgingly accept it. I don't live in a true capitalist society so our govt. policies are a reflection of that. If people were true capitalists, we would possibly have more efficient vehicles on the road than we do now. Too many people drive gas guzzling vehicles, are in debt, and just do things that aren't economical, etc.
 

alkemyst

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Cause the lamps are so environmental, they bend physics, and it costs the same to ship even though they weigh >3x more than incandescents right? The oil fairies also probably give them the petrol for the plastic too. I'm also sure the mercury is sustainably harvested from organic farms by the purest virgins...

This will blow your mind, but the energy coming from your wall isn't the only energy that goes into manufacturing/using a product. That's why you get fuckhead programs like Cash for Clunkers. Cause it's much better to expend energy and resources to build a whole new "environmental" car instead of waiting for the old one to disappear through attrition. It's a five year old's perspective of the world...

OMG?
 

natto fire

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Nothing to see here folks, move along. Capacitive loads are lost on the common folk, just move along. Mercury vapor versus Halogen encapsulation are not discussed, just MOVE ALONG.