Lifted my Grand Cherokee WJ - pics

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
It's a 2" coil spring spacer lift, aka a "budget boost". The funny thing is it doesn't really look like a lifted vehicle. It just looks like it should have looked out of the Jeep factory, if Chrysler didn't have their heads up their asses! I highly recommend a 2" budget boost even if you don't offroad your Grand Cherokee- It only cost me $120 for the coil spring spacers, and $175 in labor.


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Why? It just raises your center of gravity and makes you more likely to roll it in an emergency situation.

And it will have a negative affect on fuel economy as well. If you not planning to
do serious climbing with it, just leave it stock.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: OUCaptain

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
It's a 2" coil spring spacer lift, aka a "budget boost". The funny thing is it doesn't really look like a lifted vehicle. It just looks like it should have looked out of the Jeep factory, if Chrysler didn't have their heads up their asses! I highly recommend a 2" budget boost even if you don't offroad your Grand Cherokee- It only cost me $120 for the coil spring spacers, and $175 in labor.


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Stickers

Why? It just raises your center of gravity and makes you more likely to roll it in an emergency situation.

It's not going to be any more likely to roll than a 4Runner or any other vehicle that starts out with that height or taller from the factory. It may be less likely to rollover because the suspension can compress more before hitting a bump stop

Please...when have you ever hit a bump stop driving on public roads in your Jeep? :roll:

Fact is, when you take a vehicle that already has a high center of gravity such as an SUV and lift it without doing anything else you've just made that vehicle more likely to roll over and less safe. This is a matter of physics.

A person with a 4wd Jeep doesn't spend ALL their time on public roads. If we wanted something that corners like it on rails, we wouldn't have gotten a Jeep. I think you've either missed the point of just enjoy standing on you soap box.

I could give you numerous examples of people with 4wd Jeeps, Ford Explorers, Rovers, etc, etc, etc, who have NEVER EVER taken them off road.

My point is valid and indisputable.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
This is a matter of physics.

QFT

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
It's a 2" coil spring spacer lift, aka a "budget boost". The funny thing is it doesn't really look like a lifted vehicle. It just looks like it should have looked out of the Jeep factory, if Chrysler didn't have their heads up their asses! I highly recommend a 2" budget boost even if you don't offroad your Grand Cherokee- It only cost me $120 for the coil spring spacers, and $175 in labor.


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Stickers

BTW OP, here were some of my stickers


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Is that a road you drive on a lot??

 

[mooseracing]

Uh oh, I'm going to buy 38"s to put on my truck before winter since they're needed, I shouldn't be allowed on the road because I'm unsafe. hopefully I get pulled over every day.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: mooseracing
Uh oh, I'm going to buy 38"s to put on my truck before winter since they're needed, I shouldn't be allowed on the road because I'm unsafe. hopefully I get pulled over every day.

Why do you need 38" tires on your truck for winter? 😕

I grew up in upstate NY and drove year round in a FWD SAAB. A decent set of snow tires and that car could go through damn near anything mother nature could dish out. I used to drive my Mom to work when the weather was really nasty because that car was so good in the snow.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: mooseracing
Uh oh, I'm going to buy 38"s to put on my truck before winter since they're needed, I shouldn't be allowed on the road because I'm unsafe. hopefully I get pulled over every day.

Why do you need 38" tires on your truck for winter? 😕

I grew up in upstate NY and drove year round in a FWD SAAB. A decent set of snow tires and that car could go through damn near anything mother nature could dish out. I used to drive my Mom to work when the weather was really nasty because that car was so good in the snow.

I think he's exaggerating. If his truck could fit 38" tires, he'd have them all on year, otherwise the truck is so tall that it looks ridiculous.

In some places they do need offroad capable vehicles because of the depth of snow. I've been in a national forest that I wouldn't have gotten through without a Jeep, and turned back where I wouldn't have to with maybe 4" and 33" tires. I can't imagine an unpaved, unplowed road being usable by a Saab, and there are plenty of those in the country.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

And it will have a negative affect on fuel economy as well. If you not planning to
do serious climbing with it, just leave it stock.

I think the impact on my gas mileage is minimal because of how little material has moved into the airstream. I got 21mpg driving to work, but I can't directly compare because I started working at a client site this week

 

[mooseracing]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: mooseracing
Uh oh, I'm going to buy 38"s to put on my truck before winter since they're needed, I shouldn't be allowed on the road because I'm unsafe. hopefully I get pulled over every day.

Why do you need 38" tires on your truck for winter? 😕

I grew up in upstate NY and drove year round in a FWD SAAB. A decent set of snow tires and that car could go through damn near anything mother nature could dish out. I used to drive my Mom to work when the weather was really nasty because that car was so good in the snow.

I think he's exaggerating. If his truck could fit 38" tires, he'd have them all on year, otherwise the truck is so tall that it looks ridiculous.

In some places they do need offroad capable vehicles because of the depth of snow. I've been in a national forest that I wouldn't have gotten through without a Jeep, and turned back where I wouldn't have to with maybe 4" and 33" tires. I can't imagine an unpaved, unplowed road being usable by a Saab, and there are plenty of those in the country.

Actually I'm not exaggerate i was being sarcatic, except about the tires. My 35's are wore out and I need new ones. My truck is my DD in the winter, and only goes on Off Road runs in the summer.

Lift has nothing to do with tire size, get that out of your head. I'm running 3" body lift on 35" tires. I like to climb rocks, I want low center of gravity, the last thing I need is more lift. When I add 37's or 38's I won't be adding any more lift.

A car can not match a 4wd truck in winter end of story. Any time you want to follow let me know. There has been 3 times in the past 2 years I would have not been able to get on the road unless I had 4wd. Not to mention getting home from work. Semi's were stuck on the main roads as well as highway ramps. BTW this is only Michigan, storms happen anytime.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: mooseracing

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: mooseracing
Uh oh, I'm going to buy 38"s to put on my truck before winter since they're needed, I shouldn't be allowed on the road because I'm unsafe. hopefully I get pulled over every day.

Why do you need 38" tires on your truck for winter? 😕

I grew up in upstate NY and drove year round in a FWD SAAB. A decent set of snow tires and that car could go through damn near anything mother nature could dish out. I used to drive my Mom to work when the weather was really nasty because that car was so good in the snow.

I think he's exaggerating. If his truck could fit 38" tires, he'd have them all on year, otherwise the truck is so tall that it looks ridiculous.

In some places they do need offroad capable vehicles because of the depth of snow. I've been in a national forest that I wouldn't have gotten through without a Jeep, and turned back where I wouldn't have to with maybe 4" and 33" tires. I can't imagine an unpaved, unplowed road being usable by a Saab, and there are plenty of those in the country.

Actually I'm not exaggerate i was being sarcatic, except about the tires. My 35's are wore out and I need new ones. My truck is my DD in the winter, and only goes on Off Road runs in the summer.

Lift has nothing to do with tire size, get that out of your head. I'm running 3" body lift on 35" tires. I like to climb rocks, I want low center of gravity, the last thing I need is more lift. When I add 37's or 38's I won't be adding any more lift.

A car can not match a 4wd truck in winter end of story. Any time you want to follow let me know. There has been 3 times in the past 2 years I would have not been able to get on the road unless I had 4wd. Not to mention getting home from work. Semi's were stuck on the main roads as well as highway ramps. BTW this is only Michigan, storms happen anytime.

What truck do you have? I'm used to Jeeps with little wheel wells, where you need a huge lift for decent sized tires 🙁

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: mooseracing
A car can not match a 4wd truck in winter end of story. Any time you want to follow let me know. There has been 3 times in the past 2 years I would have not been able to get on the road unless I had 4wd. Not to mention getting home from work. Semi's were stuck on the main roads as well as highway ramps. BTW this is only Michigan, storms happen anytime.

Well a LOT of people would disagree with you. Many people live in places much worse than you do for snow, and they get along with FWD cars just fine. I live in Indiana very near the lake and we get horrendous lake-effect snow at times, and everyone isn't running around with a jacked up 4x4 with huge tires to get through it. I've been driving in it for many years with a FWD car and not ONCE was I unable to get on the roads and get where I needed to go. (P.S. I also live way out in the country)

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: mooseracing
BTW this is only Michigan, storms happen anytime.

Yooper?

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: mooseracing
Uh oh, I'm going to buy 38"s to put on my truck before winter since they're needed, I shouldn't be allowed on the road because I'm unsafe. hopefully I get pulled over every day.

Why do you need 38" tires on your truck for winter? 😕

I grew up in upstate NY and drove year round in a FWD SAAB. A decent set of snow tires and that car could go through damn near anything mother nature could dish out. I used to drive my Mom to work when the weather was really nasty because that car was so good in the snow.

I think he's exaggerating. If his truck could fit 38" tires, he'd have them all on year, otherwise the truck is so tall that it looks ridiculous.

In some places they do need offroad capable vehicles because of the depth of snow. I've been in a national forest that I wouldn't have gotten through without a Jeep, and turned back where I wouldn't have to with maybe 4" and 33" tires. I can't imagine an unpaved, unplowed road being usable by a Saab, and there are plenty of those in the country.

I have to agree with JulesRodeos if your supporting Obama your chances of a rollover are a lot greater.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
A stock WJ gets higher skidpad Gs than a Camry. It's not going to roll over like a Trooper with just 2" additional height.

What do skippad Gs have to do with rollover resistance? Rollovers happen when you swerve suddenly, go onto a off-camber section and turn the wrong way, or hit a big bump or dip with steering input. Smooth, steady hard cornering isn't going to do it unless your CG is REALLY high, or you make an aggressive move mid-corner.

If anything, lower Gs are better for rollover resistance, since that indicates your tires will slip before the weight of the car shifts very far from equilibrium.

Mind you, I'm not saying that a 2" lift makes a safe car into a dangerous one or makes a vast difference in a vehicle's propensity to roll over, but it IS slightly more prone to it. Totally worth doing if you go off-road, completely pointless if you only drive on asphalt or forest service roads.

 

[gar3555]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: mooseracing
A car can not match a 4wd truck in winter end of story. Any time you want to follow let me know. There has been 3 times in the past 2 years I would have not been able to get on the road unless I had 4wd. Not to mention getting home from work. Semi's were stuck on the main roads as well as highway ramps. BTW this is only Michigan, storms happen anytime.

Well a LOT of people would disagree with you. Many people live in places much worse than you do for snow, and they get along with FWD cars just fine. I live in Indiana very near the lake and we get horrendous lake-effect snow at times, and everyone isn't running around with a jacked up 4x4 with huge tires to get through it. I've been driving in it for many years with a FWD car and not ONCE was I unable to get on the roads and get where I needed to go. (P.S. I also live way out in the country)

The ruts/washouts on the road going to my parents house, get so deep after a rain storm, that usually a stock truck won't make it, let alone a car. I would like to see you drive these roads at that time in your car. I routinely have to pull cars out of the ditch during/after rainstorms. You'd be there waiting in the ditch, or in a rut for me.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: gar3555

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: mooseracing
A car can not match a 4wd truck in winter end of story. Any time you want to follow let me know. There has been 3 times in the past 2 years I would have not been able to get on the road unless I had 4wd. Not to mention getting home from work. Semi's were stuck on the main roads as well as highway ramps. BTW this is only Michigan, storms happen anytime.

Well a LOT of people would disagree with you. Many people live in places much worse than you do for snow, and they get along with FWD cars just fine. I live in Indiana very near the lake and we get horrendous lake-effect snow at times, and everyone isn't running around with a jacked up 4x4 with huge tires to get through it. I've been driving in it for many years with a FWD car and not ONCE was I unable to get on the roads and get where I needed to go. (P.S. I also live way out in the country)

The ruts/washouts on the road going to my parents house, get so deep after a rain storm, that usually a stock truck won't make it, let alone a car. I would like to see you drive these roads at that time in your car. I routinely have to pull cars out of the ditch during/after rainstorms. You'd be there waiting in the ditch, or in a rut for me.

Ok, ok, Mr. Badass - we get it. There are certainly circumstances where a big 4WD vehicle would be a necessity. My point is that these situations are FAR from ordinary for the great majority of people, and just about everyone can get along just fine with a FWD car through a midwest winter.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: mooseracing
Uh oh, I'm going to buy 38"s to put on my truck before winter since they're needed, I shouldn't be allowed on the road because I'm unsafe. hopefully I get pulled over every day.

Why do you need 38" tires on your truck for winter? 😕

I grew up in upstate NY and drove year round in a FWD SAAB. A decent set of snow tires and that car could go through damn near anything mother nature could dish out. I used to drive my Mom to work when the weather was really nasty because that car was so good in the snow.

I think he's exaggerating. If his truck could fit 38" tires, he'd have them all on year, otherwise the truck is so tall that it looks ridiculous.

In some places they do need offroad capable vehicles because of the depth of snow. I've been in a national forest that I wouldn't have gotten through without a Jeep, and turned back where I wouldn't have to with maybe 4" and 33" tires. I can't imagine an unpaved, unplowed road being usable by a Saab, and there are plenty of those in the country.

Yes, I meant on paved roads. Although, I did plenty of off-roading in that car and only managed to get it stuck once...in mud. :laugh: That old SAAB was the best car for winter driving. It had near 50/50 weight distribution, FWD, it was a 4 spd manual and it had heated front seats. This was in city driving and on country/rural roads around Albany, NY. We got plenty of snow and cold weather believe me.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: mooseracing
Uh oh, I'm going to buy 38"s to put on my truck before winter since they're needed, I shouldn't be allowed on the road because I'm unsafe. hopefully I get pulled over every day.

Why do you need 38" tires on your truck for winter? 😕

I grew up in upstate NY and drove year round in a FWD SAAB. A decent set of snow tires and that car could go through damn near anything mother nature could dish out. I used to drive my Mom to work when the weather was really nasty because that car was so good in the snow.

I think he's exaggerating. If his truck could fit 38" tires, he'd have them all on year, otherwise the truck is so tall that it looks ridiculous.

In some places they do need offroad capable vehicles because of the depth of snow. I've been in a national forest that I wouldn't have gotten through without a Jeep, and turned back where I wouldn't have to with maybe 4" and 33" tires. I can't imagine an unpaved, unplowed road being usable by a Saab, and there are plenty of those in the country.

Yes, I meant on paved roads. Although, I did plenty of off-roading in that car and only managed to get it stuck once...in mud. :laugh: That old SAAB was the best car for winter driving. It had near 50/50 weight distribution, FWD, it was a 4 spd manual and it had heated front seats. This was in city driving and on country/rural roads around Albany, NY. We got plenty of snow and cold weather believe me.

One night I pulled out an 2WD Xterra that was stuck in the mud after the guy accidentally turned into a lane that was under construction. What makes no sense to me is why someone would buy a vehicle like that instead of a car... Or why someone would buy an offroad capable vehicle to drive it only on the street, unless they do need it for snow. People seem to love unnecessary compromises.

 

[mooseracing]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: mooseracing
A car can not match a 4wd truck in winter end of story. Any time you want to follow let me know. There has been 3 times in the past 2 years I would have not been able to get on the road unless I had 4wd. Not to mention getting home from work. Semi's were stuck on the main roads as well as highway ramps. BTW this is only Michigan, storms happen anytime.

Well a LOT of people would disagree with you. Many people live in places much worse than you do for snow, and they get along with FWD cars just fine. I live in Indiana very near the lake and we get horrendous lake-effect snow at times, and everyone isn't running around with a jacked up 4x4 with huge tires to get through it. I've been driving in it for many years with a FWD car and not ONCE was I unable to get on the roads and get where I needed to go. (P.S. I also live way out in the country)

I lived in the lake effect snow belt, I don't see many people out on the roads going through snow deeper than a foot at a time. The roads outside of town don't get plowed as soon as the sun is up, you still deal with drifts over 3ft many times.

I've also lived in teh system stuff just below the UP and it can dump alot worse than lakeeffect. We had over a foot in a couple hours than freezing rain after that. I busted a front axle shaft and my locker going through the snow on a seasonal road. That is still a county maintained road just not plowed.


PS, I never said you need a jacked up vehicle and big tires to get through the snow, I said 4x4.

My truck with 35's is at or just below some 1 tons. So my truck is not jacked at all. I run larger tires to clear larger rocks and logs.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: gar3555

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: mooseracing
A car can not match a 4wd truck in winter end of story. Any time you want to follow let me know. There has been 3 times in the past 2 years I would have not been able to get on the road unless I had 4wd. Not to mention getting home from work. Semi's were stuck on the main roads as well as highway ramps. BTW this is only Michigan, storms happen anytime.

Well a LOT of people would disagree with you. Many people live in places much worse than you do for snow, and they get along with FWD cars just fine. I live in Indiana very near the lake and we get horrendous lake-effect snow at times, and everyone isn't running around with a jacked up 4x4 with huge tires to get through it. I've been driving in it for many years with a FWD car and not ONCE was I unable to get on the roads and get where I needed to go. (P.S. I also live way out in the country)

The ruts/washouts on the road going to my parents house, get so deep after a rain storm, that usually a stock truck won't make it, let alone a car. I would like to see you drive these roads at that time in your car. I routinely have to pull cars out of the ditch during/after rainstorms. You'd be there waiting in the ditch, or in a rut for me.

So tell them to pave their fucking driveway for christ sake. I'd just stop visiting them. 😛