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Lifestyle choice or disease?

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Shit like that is obviously a disease. If it weren't than anyone that just ate a lot could get to that size.

Protip: You cant unless you are diseased
 
ShawnD1 said:
Don't worry about it. Other people killing themselves does not affect you 🙂
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If they really were just killing themselves they wouldn't be driving up healthcare costs for everyone. There are too damn many preventably sick people out of ignorance and indifference and it's affecting all of us. If anyone on any side was serious about healthcare reform, they would be addressing this and the shit state of our food supply.
 
Gonad the Barbarian said:
If they really were just killing themselves they wouldn't be driving up healthcare costs for everyone. There are too damn many preventably sick people out of ignorance and indifference and it's affecting all of us. If anyone on any side was serious about healthcare reform, they would be addressing this and the shit state of our food supply.
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But remember what the republicans on TV said: private health care means you're not sharing costs. Actually that was the whole point of fighting against universal health care - UHC would mean you share the costs with fat people. Remember?

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Gonad the Barbarian said:
If they really were just killing themselves they wouldn't be driving up healthcare costs for everyone. There are too damn many preventably sick people out of ignorance and indifference and it's affecting all of us. If anyone on any side was serious about healthcare reform, they would be addressing this and the shit state of our food supply.
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ShawnD1 said:
But remember what the republicans on TV said: private health care means you're not sharing costs. Actually that was the whole point of fighting against universal health care - UHC would mean you share the costs with fat people. Remember?

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You have to remember the Republicans are idiots when it comes to UHC.
The Republican plan is to let people get health insurance that covers less and less and that people who can't afford health care should either just die or go on medicaid.

Of course, that means higher costs for everyone else. As less people are covered doctors and hospitals have less utilization meaning they have to raise prices to cover costs. And then health insurance plans have to raise prices or lower benefits.
And, if anyone is injured and requires immediate care the hospitals and doctors will have to do more treatment they won't get paid for. Unless you want to die in an emergency room because you forgot your wallet with your i.d. card in it. Or were unconscious and had your wallet stolen...
 
Locut0s said:
That is the basics but there is the fact that some people don't absorb fat and calories as efficiently from food as others. For example it's well documented that Native Americans are genetically prone to getting fatter on the same diet as white people. Not saying that this is or is not a disease, I think in most cases you are right but it IS a factor.
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That doesn't change the physics. While it's true that genetics predisposes people to a particular body habitus given a certain diet, it's also true that this can be completely mitigated by a change of diet and more exercise.

If you balloon up to the point that you're stuck on a couch and can't move, you have no one to blame but yourself. There are no viable excuses for this.
 
BigToque said:
As someone who is overweight, I can tell you that my problem is an emotional response to stress. Food is just a comfort.

Stressed about homework, eat a bowl of cereal.
Shitty day at work, eat a pizza.
Depressed that your overweight? What's one more Big Mac, you'll get back on track tomorrow.
Go to the gym a few times, feel great.
Have a few busy days, forget your new lifestyle.
I'm hungry, I'll just get a big mac today. I've been good no big deal.
Shitty day at work, eat a pizza...
...

I'm very well informed on how to eat well and I know how to lose the weight if I really want to (I once lost 70lbs, but gained it back over 5 years when I went to university).

It's not an easy cycle to break out of.
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I am exactly this way. I am usually able to pass on the sweet but will still go for the fast food bah.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Some people don't know when they are full. The brain does not register satiety properly and they are consequently always hungry.
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In my younger days I could eat until I was full and not have it affect my weight. These days if I ate until I was full I would look like the pic in the OP in no time. Very seldom do I eat until full anymore. I was brought up with " Eat what is set before you and do not grumble" and that not finishing your plate was wasteful. My wife takes all this in to account and portions my meals correctly. Now if I just quit the ice cream.... /ramble
 
It's mainly a lifestyle choice imo. In some 'rare' cases it actually is a diease but I tend to believe that most people who ate a balanced diet of around 2500 calories in 3-4/5 meals will drop weight to be within normal boundaries.

I am willing to bet that if overweight people did the above along with low impact exercise (rowing, swimming, stationary bike cycling) and some weights they would see the weight drop off. But the fact is they don't have the work ethic/ help to do so. It's 10x harder to do it on your own, but if you went to the gym with 3-8 people training you would be more motivated!

Send them out to an african country to eat/ labour what the locals do and I gurantee that most will drop weight.

People look for the easy way out and blame something else. You got to want to do it and bust your ass to do it. If it was 'easy' everyone would have the body of an adonis or hell the obesity rate would be A LOT lower then it currently is.

Koing
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Some people don't know when they are full. The brain does not register satiety properly and they are consequently always hungry.

Imagine being as hungry as you've ever been, then taking one bite. I bet that it would not be long before you took another.
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that's pretty much the same thing i said on page 1 🙂
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Some people don't know when they are full. The brain does not register satiety properly and they are consequently always hungry.

Imagine being as hungry as you've ever been, then taking one bite. I bet that it would not be long before you took another.
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Tell that to the Snickers guy in Germany.
 
Brainonska511 said:
I'm of the understanding that people that are able to get that big have actual genetic issues that allow that to happen.

Now, there are other people that might have small issues and they let themselves get carried away - those people need to put down the damn fast food and go out for a walk. (But these people never get big enough that they cannot leave their bed and stuff like that)
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I don't think so.

An ex coworker of mine recently lost near 300 lbs over the course of 1.5 year exercise/diet program indicated that obesity isn't a genetic condition. (He is now 185 lbs @ 6'0" tall, and still working out with a trainer ++ diet).

PS. He use to drink 20++ cups of coffee with 2 cube of sugars ++ cream per cup (we counted 22 empty paper cups in his trash can on a day that he forgot his coffee mug). He also would drink 4 litters of coke a day (2 litters at the office and he claim at least another 2 litters at home).
 
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It's not a disease, it's an addiction. And just because you have an addiction doesn't make it not your fault.

Smoking cigarettes is a lifestyle choice, just like (most) people being fat, regardless of whether they intended for it to happen or not.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Some people don't know when they are full. The brain does not register satiety properly and they are consequently always hungry.

Imagine being as hungry as you've ever been, then taking one bite. I bet that it would not be long before you took another.
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Uhmmm. No. You're truly hungry when your stomach hurts and you can't walk with your shoulders straight because it's too painful and you have to walk slightly bent over. I've been that way. Now that is not something I would wish on anybody other than my enemies. However, I seriously doubt that is the kind of hunger those people are experiencing.
 
fleshconsumed said:
Uhmmm. No. You're truly hungry when your stomach hurts and you can't walk with your shoulders straight because it's too painful and you have to walk slightly bent over. I've been that way. Now that is not something I would wish on anybody other than my enemies. However, I seriously doubt that is the kind of hunger those people are experiencing.
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there are different levels of hunger.

they all involve being hungry.
 
Well, you don't get that fat by NOT eating. Disease or not, by the time you hit 300 pounds you should realize your body had a problem and take steps to avoid making it worse. It is a lifestyle choice.
 
techs said:
You have to remember the Republicans are idiots when it comes to UHC.
The Republican plan is to let people get health insurance that covers less and less and that people who can't afford health care should either just die or go on medicaid.

Of course, that means higher costs for everyone else. As less people are covered doctors and hospitals have less utilization meaning they have to raise prices to cover costs. And then health insurance plans have to raise prices or lower benefits.
And, if anyone is injured and requires immediate care the hospitals and doctors will have to do more treatment they won't get paid for. Unless you want to die in an emergency room because you forgot your wallet with your i.d. card in it. Or were unconscious and had your wallet stolen...
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What was the Democrat plan for bringing costs down? Oh that's right, they didn't have one. The only plan they had was to insure everyone. So actually they were going to increase costs.

Go fuck Al Gore you useless twat.
 
disappoint said:
Is it mean or is it helpful? It brings attention to a serious problem especially in the U.S. If one person reading the thread realizes they need to correct their habits and it improves their life then it's worth it.
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You are assumingv that is a choice and not something genetic....
 
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