Stop and think for a minute about your first sentence there and then you'll realize how inappropriate of an analogy that is.
And, of course there are similarities in creation myth, esp. in the Jewish stories. Remember, the Jews were held as slaves by various other cultures (Egyptians, Assyrians) and myths and tales were assimilated into their own stories. For example, the flood story did not originate with the Jews.
That's where I guess I differ. I look to someone who truly believes the Bible as literal fact and bases their life around that as someone who is simply not properly educated. That person has been given only a limited education into the origins of the Bible and the meaning of the stories therein. They have been taught to believe a narrow view of the Bible.
You are overanalyzing my poor example. Take almost any true story and pass it around. Things will be added and thing will be removed. Now after this story has been passed around compare it to the original. You will probably find points that will prove the copycats to be false (Zeus lives on Mt. Olympus) but that does not translate to the original being false.
The fact that other religions have been dismissed by facts/ science does not mean you can automatically dissmis the Bible.
Like you said earlier it is hard to have this discussion in this format.
Edit 2: I will assume you are talking about Gilgamesh as the other flood story. There has been no conclusive evidence that it is actually any older than the Hebrew account. They may both be from a much older source.
Fritzo
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I for one will not believe anything that self proclaimed Dr. "Richard C. Hoagland" says. This guy is a total nutcase. Look at his website at Enterprise Mission. It's like the guy works for the National Enquirer or something! Everything's a conspiracy, a lie, a coverup---they have medication for that stuff you know.
Heh...the first post had his name in the first sentance, and the first thing that came to mind is "What's this nut going to say now?"
Heh...the first post had his name in the first sentance, and the first thing that came to mind is "What's this nut going to say now?"
You have some strange ideas about religion. Finding life beyond Earth doesn't contradict anything in the Christain faith.
ok, I read more of the thread after my last comment and saw more comments by Descartes explaining his point of view.
Again, there are a lot of ignorant people posting in this thread. If you haven't read a book, then you have no place arguing it's contents. Simple as that. NOWHERE in the Bible does it say God only created life on Earth. The universe is huge. Way bigger than most people even start to understand. For God to create a universe so large and varied and only put life on one planet... well, that would just be a huge waste of space in my opinion. I have no proof of life anywhere beyond Earth but I fully believe there is an enormous amount of varied life out in the rest of the universe. 'Creation Scientists', 'Darwinists', 'Politicians', 'People'.... all will try to bend things to suit their purpose. If you want the closest you can get to pure, go to the source. The only 'religous' people that will be 'harmed' if evidence of life is found on Mars are those that have a) never read the Bible, and b) believe everything their church tells them to believe.
I'd like to see Mars colonized but I understand the argument that we shouldn't mess with the ecosystem there if there is life (even very primitive) living on Mars. It's similar to the Prime Directive idea found in Star Trek.
-DAGTA
Again, there are a lot of ignorant people posting in this thread. If you haven't read a book, then you have no place arguing it's contents. Simple as that. NOWHERE in the Bible does it say God only created life on Earth. The universe is huge. Way bigger than most people even start to understand. For God to create a universe so large and varied and only put life on one planet... well, that would just be a huge waste of space in my opinion. I have no proof of life anywhere beyond Earth but I fully believe there is an enormous amount of varied life out in the rest of the universe. 'Creation Scientists', 'Darwinists', 'Politicians', 'People'.... all will try to bend things to suit their purpose. If you want the closest you can get to pure, go to the source. The only 'religous' people that will be 'harmed' if evidence of life is found on Mars are those that have a) never read the Bible, and b) believe everything their church tells them to believe.
I'd like to see Mars colonized but I understand the argument that we shouldn't mess with the ecosystem there if there is life (even very primitive) living on Mars. It's similar to the Prime Directive idea found in Star Trek.
-DAGTA
That would severely FVCK my mom up. She believes there can't be life on other planets because God created only us in his image or some sh1t like that. Ridiculous.
For crying out loud, how many times do I have to say the same thing?! I said in several of my other posts that it did NOT contradict Biblical doctrine. I said:
and...
And probably in another. I think that's sufficient. At least try to read what I said before taking it out of context and calling it "strange." My statements of what exists in the bible is neither strange nor inaccurate.
Yeah, in my second post I said that I finished reading the thread and saw your other comments after my first post. Usually wait to read the entire thread before posting, to avoid doing exactly what I did here, but obviously I didn't wait on that post.
-DAGTA
-DAGTA
I actually saw that, but didn't see an edit to your original. No matter. I shouldn't have reacted like that either way.
:beer:
DrPizza
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Originally posted by: ThaPerculator
Just like all of those dinosaur bones...
no no no..... man existed alongside the dinosaurs. Noah even took dinosaurs, albeit young and small ones on the Ark. (I love how the creationists recognize that size is an issue for animals on the Ark, but then size is no longer an issue to fit 2 of every animal on the ark)
During the great flood, of course the bigger animals - the dinosaurs would be found in the sediment first - they're heavier, so they'd settle quicker.
Well, anyway, at least that's what I read from that DrDan site earlier today via a link in highly technical... I found it pretty humorous.
Nonetheless, this is exciting news. But, would someone explain why NH3 is so fragile in Mars atmosphere, yet is common elsewhere where we don't expect life in the solar system?
oogabooga
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link removed, didn't work =\
just going to post a picture of marvin the martian regardless...
How did this thread, rather than bashing the incorrectness of the article turn into YART. I'm Christian, and i would love to be alive when we discover life on other planets. But then again, we can't forget about the verses that say "ONLY HUMANS WERE CREATED, NOTHING ELSE, ALIES WOULD DESTROY THIS RELIGION"... wait.. those don't exist.
Ammonia may have been found in Mars' atmosphere which some scientists say could indicate life on the Red Planet.
"Ammonia could be the key to finding life on Mars," one US space agency (Nasa) scientist told BBC News Online.
But future missions could include sensors to analyse the ammonia to determine if it has a biological or volcanic origin. Lava deposited on to the surface, or released underground, could produce the gas.
The article discuses how they MAY have found ammonia, and how ammonia MAY be an indicator of life. There is still a quite real possibility that they haven't found ammonia, and if there is ammonia, tada, perhaps just another volcano. They just don't know
OP if you have more info, please post a link, otherwise, based on what the BBC site said if nasa announces something this friday, they will look rather foolish.
The discovery of life on other planets does nothing to disprove God, nor does it contradict anything said in the bible. The bible says that God created the earth, the life on it, and that man was made in Gods image. It doesn't say that he didn't create life elsewhere.
To take things a step further, nothing in the bible would be wrong if intelligent life existed elsewhere. It says that man was made in God's image. Is God's image a physical image? Or is it an ability to think, speak, reason, love, show emotion, etc...? God's image is not defined. To claim that his image is the form of a human is just jumping to conclusions, self-serving and egotistical.
:Q
Awesome.
Of course, there are going to be HUGE numbers of people that call bullsh!t, most likely for religious reasons.
Awesome.
Of course, there are going to be HUGE numbers of people that call bullsh!t, most likely for religious reasons.
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