Life on Mars to be announced by NASA this Friday (July 23rd.)

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Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: maziwanka
the only explanation for ammonia on mars is life on mars?

yip

But wait... evolutionary theory says that before life on earth, the atmosphere was composed of mostly nitrogen, argon, and ammonia.

Yeah, so this is bull.

Ammonia also comes from volcanic activity. Mars has none of that now... but Earth did way back when.

The trick with ammonia is that it doesn't stay around long. If it's there then it means something created it, either a life form or a volcano. You choose.

 

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BBC link

 

[Kristi2k]

Dude, that has nothing to do with religon. If there "were" human life on Mars, then yes. But there isn't and never has been.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: MacBaine
This is really gonna mess up a lot of religious people...

You would think, but many so-called creation scientists are willing to accept the idea that Mars once collided with Earth; this would facilitate the transfer of biotics from Earth to Mars. This retains the idea that life originated on Earth, solely exists on Earth, and any existence of it elsewhere is merely happenstance.

Most would agree this is nonsense for obvious reasons, but if you wish to know more you can read Creator and the Cosmos.

"Creation scientists" (and it pains me to add "scientist" to that label..) are willing to come up with ANY hairbrained ideas to support their silly image of how life came to be.

Indeed. Many so profoundly believe in the absolutism of their doctrine that they simply don't question any derivative idea so long as it doesn't conflict with it. Scientists are "guilty" of the same, because that which is widely accepted as truth often resists modification when faced with inductive reasoning to the contrary. The difference is that the foundation of most creation "scientists" remains neither inductive or deductive, and so any derivative idea is equally fragile.

I simply don't understand how someone can believe in such absolutism of doctrine, and then yet they use that which they are attempting to negate (science) to rationalize that very absolutism. It's a bit of cognitive dissonance I think in taking such a stance.

Anyway, this is very exciting news for everyone.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Kristi2k
Dude, that has nothing to do with religon. If there "were" human life on Mars, then yes. But there isn't and never has been.

It has absolutely everything to do with origins, and this is a topic of primary importance and religion and science. If you don't see how this is so, then the importance of any such discovery of life, however infinitessimal in its significance to your life, is completely lost on you.

:beer:

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: MacBaine
This is really gonna mess up a lot of religious people...

Not wanting to start YART but how would it mess up religous people?

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Kristi2k
Dude, that has nothing to do with religon. If there "were" human life on Mars, then yes. But there isn't and never has been.

But why would there be any life on Mars if God created it on Earth? Where in the Bible does god talk about Mars?

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: Thera
BBC link

Much more realistic asseritions in that article thanks.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: MacBaine
This is really gonna mess up a lot of religious people...

Not wanting to start YART but how would it mess up religous people?

There's a number of passages saying something like, "and God created man alone in His image, to rule over all the creatures of the earth." This is widely interpreted by many religions to indicate that humans are the only form of sentient life in the universe, and that earth is the only planet on which life exists.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Kristi2k
Dude, that has nothing to do with religon. If there "were" human life on Mars, then yes. But there isn't and never has been.

But why would there be any life on Mars if God created it on Earth? Where in the Bible does god talk about Mars?

The god of the bible doesn't preclude the creation of life on other celestial bodies, but it does retain the anthropocentric mentality of this life being for man's purpose. I haven't sufficient hubris to accept such a stance, so I merely regurgitate the arguments put forth by others.

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[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: Citrix
Richard C. Hoagland offered updates on several topics. He suggested that with the discovery of ammonia on Mars, that there would soon (as early as Friday the 23rd) be an announcement that the only explanation for this is that there is currently living biology on that planet. Evidence also indicates that we may be looking at long cycle seasons, and a return of the green areas that Lowell saw along with the canals, he said.

Uhm, but the canals are a proven nonentity.

No source, no backing, no care.

Are you a scientist with access to all of the information the people making this announcement have?

I wasn't aware that NASA scientists were members on this forum.

Umm, it's been known for a long time that what Lowell saw was a result of two things: His overwhelming imagination and belief that intelligent life existed on Mars, and the optical illusion of his relatively low-resolution optics. Simply Google around for more information.

The original poster should remove NASA from the title if they aren't involved in this.

 

[Lazy8s]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Kristi2k
Dude, that has nothing to do with religon. If there "were" human life on Mars, then yes. But there isn't and never has been.

But why would there be any life on Mars if God created it on Earth? Where in the Bible does god talk about Mars?

The god of the bible doesn't preclude the creation of life on other celestial bodies, but it does retain the anthropocentric mentality of this life being for man's purpose. I haven't sufficient hubris to accept such a stance, so I merely regurgitate the arguments put forth by others.

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OMFG so many ignorant christians my head is going to explode!!

Where in the bible does it say God created ONLY the earth and ONLY humans and evertything on it? NO WHERE!! The bible explains us but NEVER states God didn't create anything else. Open up your beady little christian eyes ppl.

 

[Wheatmaster]

weren't there rumors that we lived in mars before and then abandoned it to go to earth? aren't we going backwards?

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: Lazy8s

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Kristi2k
Dude, that has nothing to do with religon. If there "were" human life on Mars, then yes. But there isn't and never has been.

But why would there be any life on Mars if God created it on Earth? Where in the Bible does god talk about Mars?

The god of the bible doesn't preclude the creation of life on other celestial bodies, but it does retain the anthropocentric mentality of this life being for man's purpose. I haven't sufficient hubris to accept such a stance, so I merely regurgitate the arguments put forth by others.

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OMFG so many ignorant christians my head is going to explode!!

Where in the bible does it say God created ONLY the earth and ONLY humans and evertything on it? NO WHERE!! The bible explains us but NEVER states God didn't create anything else. Open up your beady little christian eyes ppl.

OMFG an ignorant poster who didn't read or, at least, didn't understand Descartes post's. Read them through again, and dictionary.com the words you don't understand.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: maziwanka
the only explanation for ammonia on mars is life on mars?

yip

But wait... evolutionary theory says that before life on earth, the atmosphere was composed of mostly nitrogen, argon, and ammonia.

Yeah, so this is bull.

Ammonia also comes from volcanic activity. Mars has none of that now... but Earth did way back when.

The trick with ammonia is that it doesn't stay around long. If it's there then it means something created it, either a life form or a volcano. You choose.

If volcanos are the cause, that also means mars may be a new source of baking soda.

 

[Lazy8s]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: Lazy8s

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Kristi2k
Dude, that has nothing to do with religon. If there "were" human life on Mars, then yes. But there isn't and never has been.

But why would there be any life on Mars if God created it on Earth? Where in the Bible does god talk about Mars?

The god of the bible doesn't preclude the creation of life on other celestial bodies, but it does retain the anthropocentric mentality of this life being for man's purpose. I haven't sufficient hubris to accept such a stance, so I merely regurgitate the arguments put forth by others.

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OMFG so many ignorant christians my head is going to explode!!

Where in the bible does it say God created ONLY the earth and ONLY humans and evertything on it? NO WHERE!! The bible explains us but NEVER states God didn't create anything else. Open up your beady little christian eyes ppl.

OMFG an ignorant poster who didn't read or, at least, didn't understand Descartes post's. Read them through again, and dictionary.com the words you don't understand.

Fook, I meant to take his post out but I forgot, I was meaning to quote the guy he replied to but was too lazy to go back to previous page to quote him. Oh well chalk up a noob mistake for me!

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Lazy8s

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: Lazy8s

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Kristi2k
Dude, that has nothing to do with religon. If there "were" human life on Mars, then yes. But there isn't and never has been.

But why would there be any life on Mars if God created it on Earth? Where in the Bible does god talk about Mars?

The god of the bible doesn't preclude the creation of life on other celestial bodies, but it does retain the anthropocentric mentality of this life being for man's purpose. I haven't sufficient hubris to accept such a stance, so I merely regurgitate the arguments put forth by others.

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OMFG so many ignorant christians my head is going to explode!!

Where in the bible does it say God created ONLY the earth and ONLY humans and evertything on it? NO WHERE!! The bible explains us but NEVER states God didn't create anything else. Open up your beady little christian eyes ppl.

OMFG an ignorant poster who didn't read or, at least, didn't understand Descartes post's. Read them through again, and dictionary.com the words you don't understand.

Fook, I meant to take his post out but I forgot, I was meaning to quote the guy he replied to but was too lazy to go back to previous page to quote him. Oh well chalk up a noob mistake for me!

Mistake or not, I like a little enthusiasm

:beer:

 

[Red]

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
weren't there rumors that we lived in mars before and then abandoned it to go to earth? aren't we going backwards?

There's no place like home.

 

[Thraxen]

The god of the bible doesn't preclude the creation of life on other celestial bodies, but it does retain the anthropocentric mentality of this life being for man's purpose.

Nothing about that statement supports the original statement that life on Mars is going to mess up religious people.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Wow, the world is turing inside out this morning. 3 nukes possibly found in Iraq, and now life on Mars to be announced. And hell, it's only noon!

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: gururu
from ammonia to life...that's quite a jump. i find it to be another ploy to encourage government funding of Mars exploration.(which I believe in strongly anyway). even if they found crude amino acid structures, I'd be doubtful. Now if they found genetic material...

The only thing that produces ammonia are living things.

that is wrong. ammonia can be found almost anywhere where gaseous nitrogen and hydrogen exist, including interstellar space.

Ammonia was the first complex molecule to be identified in interstellar space and solid NH3 makes up the rings on Saturn.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

The god of the bible doesn't preclude the creation of life on other celestial bodies, but it does retain the anthropocentric mentality of this life being for man's purpose.

Nothing about that statement supports the original statement that life on Mars is going to mess up religious people.

It depends on how much of a literalist you are. You can say that radiocarbon and potassium-argon dating won't interfere with Genesis of the bible, but that's not the case if you're a young-earth creationist. If not, then you take an allowance on what truly constitutes a "day" in Genesis. You're free to inject life on other planets into your theological views as you wish, and many will do so in order to retain their commitment to religion. Many saltationists did the same after Darwin, and many will find a way even if we find life on a planet in an extrasolar system. Mars won't prove to be too much of a problem, because the relatively close proximity will sit quite nicely with the idea of collisions with comets, Earth itself, etc.

Anyway, I give no credence to any theological doctrine, so I'm free to take evidence for what it is, and I have no ambition to obfuscate it so that it fits my perception of the world.

 

[oniq]

Originally posted by: So
I hate to say it, but I really hope not, any life will mean that the greenies can stymie any development of mars for human use.

Whats wrong with using Mars for development?

 

[ThaPerculator]

God probably placed traces of life on Mars to further test non-believers.

Just like all of those dinosaur bones...

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: oniq

Originally posted by: So
I hate to say it, but I really hope not, any life will mean that the greenies can stymie any development of mars for human use.

Whats wrong with using Mars for development?

That's what he's saying