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Lies are a part of war strategy

GrGr

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PENTAGON

Lies are a part of war strategy

BY JOSEPH L. GALLOWAY
Miami Herald

There is a struggle inside the Pentagon over where to draw the line in conducting so-called information operations or propaganda in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and who will be involved. On one side are the information warfare activists, led by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Assistant Secretary Douglas Feith. On the other are those who believe that telling lies to the media is wrong and military public-affairs officers should never be involved in that.

The wrangling has been going on since soon after the 9/11 attacks in 2001 when a Pentagon war planner, speaking anonymously, told a Washington Post reporter, ``This is the most information-intensive war you can imagine. We're going to lie about things.''

Not long afterward the Pentagon opened its controversial Office of Strategic Influence amid reports that its mission included planting false news stories in the international media. A public outcry led to the hasty shuttering of that office, but Rumsfeld served notice that while the office may have been closed, its mission would be continued by other entities.

The defense secretary told reporters on Nov. 18, 2002: ``Fine, you want to savage this thing, fine. I'll give you the corpse. There's the name. You can have the name, but I'm going to keep doing every single thing that needs to be done, and I have.''

Pat Tillman's death

This week The Los Angeles Times reported that CNN had been targeted in an information war operation three weeks before the start of the attack against Fallujah. On Oct. 14 Marine 1st Lt. Lyle Gilbert, a public-affairs spokesman, went on camera to declare that ''troops crossed the line of departure'' -- that the Fallujah operation was under way.

It was not. The U.S. commanders obviously hoped that the false news broadcast by CNN would trigger certain moves by the insurgents and foreign terrorists holding the Sunni city -- moves that then could be analyzed to gain information on how they would defend Fallujah.

Marine sources in Iraq flatly deny that Lt. Gilbert's statement to CNN was a deception operation or part of a larger psy-war operation. They say the distinction between public affairs and information operations is very clear and jealously guarded by the public-affairs community.

Also this week The Washington Post brought new attention to the friendly-fire killing of Army Ranger Pat Tillman, a former NFL football star who gave up the spotlight to become a soldier. For days after the death of Tillman, military commanders and spokesmen both in Afghanistan and at Fort Bragg left out any mention of his having been killed by American bullets as they spun the story of a hero killed in battle.

That incident brought to mind the false stories about the rescue and heroism of Pvt. Jessica Lynch foisted on reporters during the opening days of the attack into Iraq. The official picture painted initially was of a young woman who fought to the last bullet before being wounded and captured. The truth was that Pvt. Lynch was injured when the vehicle in which she was riding crashed and she was knocked unconscious. She never fired a shot.

Critics point to one troubling recent development: the decision by commanders in Iraq in mid-September to combine information operations, psychological operations and public affairs into a single strategic communications office run by an Air Force brigadier general who reports directly to Gen. George Casey, the American commander.

Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote a letter in late September warning American commanders of the problems of lumping military public affairs in with information operations.

Five O'Clock Follies

Myers warned that public affairs and information operations must remain separate. But his warning seems to have fallen on deaf ears in Iraq because civilian leaders in the Pentagon and the National Security Council insisted on a blended effort of both public affairs and psy-ops to woo Iraqi and Arab support for America's efforts in Iraq.

In the old days of the Cold War, America's propaganda war was fought by the U.S. Information Agency, which was forbidden from distributing any propaganda inside the United States. USIA was first gutted and then folded into the State Department during the mid-1990s.

Everyone involved in this argument would do well to heed Gen. Myers' warning against mixing the liars and the truth-tellers in one pot. That distinction was blurred during the Vietnam War, and the image the American public carried away was of the Five O'Clock Follies, the daily official news briefing in Saigon where lies and spin were dispensed along with the facts.

Believe me, we do not want to go there again.

 
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
duh.

the us government lies to us, I?m used to it... i just want to know why they didn't lie to us and plant WMDs!

I think it's about lying just enough to win an election.

To add, i think they were lying to the extent of the plausible, in theiir opinion.
 
Everyone lies including my sister, brothers, and even my dogs. If lying gets people to like you more and fool them into believing other then the facts, why not? It always worked for dummies who couldn't tell the difference between facts and opinions.
Read my lips, I am not lying. 🙂


 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Big surprise.

Even the media lies to us /gasp


Originally posted by: LMK
duh.

the us government lies to us, I?m used to it...


I'm dumbfounded. On some issues we get the above responses, on other issues we get responses like "Prove it!. If you can't, STFU."
 
so much for "of the people, by the people, for the people." government is a living entity, it seeks only to grow in power and prestige, and will take advantage of anyone to do so.
 
This government has mastered the art of lying. You can catch them in one and in their argument they'd say "when looked at a certain viewpoint we're still 100% correct".
 
Originally posted by: Gaard
I'm dumbfounded. On some issues we get the above responses, on other issues we get responses like "Prove it!. If you can't, STFU."
Yeah, these are the same people that jumped over Rather. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Arkali
Many of the American people are worthless curs who don't deserve to be told the truth. Hell, half of us "Americans" voted for that commie Kerry: all the libbies, hippies, homos, negroes, etc, the worthless half of America.

WTF!!!!! :|
 
Originally posted by: Arkali
Many of the American people are worthless curs who don't deserve to be told the truth. Hell, half of us "Americans" voted for that commie Kerry: all the libbies, hippies, homos, negroes, etc, the worthless half of America.

Well nice to know that Bush voters are still as eloquent as ever :roll:

Ban this inbred.
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
so much for "of the people, by the people, for the people." government is a living entity, it seeks only to grow in power and prestige, and will take advantage of anyone to do so.

It's called exploitation or taking advantage of the weak and insecured. We as the people are nothing more then a herd of wimpy followers. If the government want to attack Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. well pull something like 911 to motivate us to hate all of muslim and give them a good reason to attack with little resistance if any. The people who died on 911 are nothing more then a scapegoat in their plan to wage war and rule the world. They know that we do not like to attack any nation if there was no harm being done to our country. It worked for Napoleon, Hitler, and many other dictators so why would it not work for them as well?

Just because most believe what the government say does not give them credibility that they are right or telling the truth. Stupid people always tell the truth, smarter ones do not if they know that they can take advantage of others being ignorants or fail to question them due to fear of harms being done to them should they do so.

 
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