Lieberman gets it right...

[CADsortaGUY]

Quote from transcript of today's public hearing:

LIEBERMAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American. It deserves the apology that you have given today and that have been given by others in high positions in our government and our military.

I cannot help but say, however, that those who were responsible for killing 3,000 Americans on September 11th, 2001, never apologized. Those who have killed hundreds of Americans in uniform in Iraq working to liberate Iraq and protect our security have never apologized.

LIEBERMAN: And those who murdered and burned and humiliated four Americans in Fallujah a while ago never received an apology from anybody.

So it's part of -- wrongs occurred here, by the people in those pictures and perhaps by people up the chain of command.

But Americans are different. That's why we're outraged by this. That's why the apologies were due.

And that's why I hope as we go about this investigation, we do it in a way that does not dishonor the hundreds of thousands of Americans in uniform who are a lot more like Pat Tillman and Americans that are not know, like Army National Guard Sergeant Felix Del Greco of Simsbury, Connecticut, who was killed in action a few weeks ago; that we not dishonor their service or discredit the cause that brought us to send them to Iraq, because it remains one that is just and necessary.

We've got to get to the whole truth here, and nothing but the truth. We can't be defensive. We've got to be aggressive about it. And as Senator McCain said, we've got to do it quickly so that we and you and most of all our soldiers can get back to fighting and winning the war on terrorism with determination.

As far as I'm concerned, we do have to know how this happened. And we have to know it so we can stop it from happening ever again.

You've said that the behavior of those soldiers was fundamentally un-American. I agree with you. And this goes way back to the first American declaration, the Declaration of Independence, where we said that every human being has those rights as an endowment of our creator.

That even goes to human beings who have been apprehended by our military as they have been in Iraq because they are suspected of being part of the terrorists, of the jihadists, of the foreign fighters, of the Saddam loyalists who are killing Americans and Iraqis every day.

Very nicely said Senator.

CkG

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Quote from transcript of today's public hearing:

LIEBERMAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American. It deserves the apology that you have given today and that have been given by others in high positions in our government and our military.

I cannot help but say, however, that those who were responsible for killing 3,000 Americans on September 11th, 2001, never apologized. Those who have killed hundreds of Americans in uniform in Iraq working to liberate Iraq and protect our security have never apologized.

LIEBERMAN: And those who murdered and burned and humiliated four Americans in Fallujah a while ago never received an apology from anybody.

So it's part of -- wrongs occurred here, by the people in those pictures and perhaps by people up the chain of command.

But Americans are different. That's why we're outraged by this. That's why the apologies were due.

And that's why I hope as we go about this investigation, we do it in a way that does not dishonor the hundreds of thousands of Americans in uniform who are a lot more like Pat Tillman and Americans that are not know, like Army National Guard Sergeant Felix Del Greco of Simsbury, Connecticut, who was killed in action a few weeks ago; that we not dishonor their service or discredit the cause that brought us to send them to Iraq, because it remains one that is just and necessary.

We've got to get to the whole truth here, and nothing but the truth. We can't be defensive. We've got to be aggressive about it. And as Senator McCain said, we've got to do it quickly so that we and you and most of all our soldiers can get back to fighting and winning the war on terrorism with determination.

As far as I'm concerned, we do have to know how this happened. And we have to know it so we can stop it from happening ever again.

You've said that the behavior of those soldiers was fundamentally un-American. I agree with you. And this goes way back to the first American declaration, the Declaration of Independence, where we said that every human being has those rights as an endowment of our creator.

That even goes to human beings who have been apprehended by our military as they have been in Iraq because they are suspected of being part of the terrorists, of the jihadists, of the foreign fighters, of the Saddam loyalists who are killing Americans and Iraqis every day.

Very nicely said Senator.

CkG

He often gets it right because his views are based on the intellectually defendable points that he's found on the left; not the mindless partisanship that seems to be the bread and butter of the party today.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

He often gets it right because his views are based on the intellectually defendable points that he's found on the left; not the mindless partisanship that seems to be the bread and butter of the party today.

Thankfully we have all those sound Republicans out there who aren't driven by partisanship....

 

[fjord]

"Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American".

This statement fundamentally, and at the core essence absolutely applies to The Bush administration's policy in Iraq.

Immoral, intolerable and un-American

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: fjord
"Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American".

This statement fundamentally, and at the core essence absolutely applies to The Bush administration's policy in Iraq.

Immoral, intolerable and un-American

I could vote for Joe. He seesm like a very decent and honorable man. I've been saying that for a while now.

 

[conjur]

Too bad he was playing a puppet to Robo-Gore 4 years ago.

 

[MidasKnight]

Thanks for posting that CADkindaGUY !

 

[dahunan]

I sure the hell would have rather had him as Vice President than Cheney..

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I sure the hell would have rather had him as Vice President than Cheney..

So did the majority of the American people..

 

[tnitsuj]

I would vote for Lieberman over the President.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: fjord
"Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American".

This statement fundamentally, and at the core essence absolutely applies to The Bush administration's policy in Iraq.

Immoral, intolerable and un-American

Nice of you to attempt to explain this to us. Your partisanship never ceases to amaze me.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: fjord
"Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American".

This statement fundamentally, and at the core essence absolutely applies to The Bush administration's policy in Iraq.

Immoral, intolerable and un-American

Nice of you to attempt to explain this to us. Your partisanship never ceases to amaze me.

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

Just so happens fjord's statements apply to people who voted for Bush before, too.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: fjord
"Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American".

This statement fundamentally, and at the core essence absolutely applies to The Bush administration's policy in Iraq.

Immoral, intolerable and un-American

Nice of you to attempt to explain this to us. Your partisanship never ceases to amaze me.

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

Just so happens fjord's statements apply to people who voted for Bush before, too.

So people who voted for Bush before are "Immoral, intolerable and un-American" ?


CkG

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: fjord
"Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American".

This statement fundamentally, and at the core essence absolutely applies to The Bush administration's policy in Iraq.

Immoral, intolerable and un-American

Nice of you to attempt to explain this to us. Your partisanship never ceases to amaze me.

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

Just so happens fjord's statements apply to people who voted for Bush before, too.

So people who voted for Bush before are "Immoral, intolerable and un-American" ?


CkG

If they also support the murder of 10,000 plus Iraqi Civilians then -... those terms just might fit.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Quote from transcript of today's public hearing:

LIEBERMAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American. It deserves the apology that you have given today and that have been given by others in high positions in our government and our military.

I cannot help but say, however, that those who were responsible for killing 3,000 Americans on September 11th, 2001, never apologized. Those who have killed hundreds of Americans in uniform in Iraq working to liberate Iraq and protect our security have never apologized.

LIEBERMAN: And those who murdered and burned and humiliated four Americans in Fallujah a while ago never received an apology from anybody.

So it's part of -- wrongs occurred here, by the people in those pictures and perhaps by people up the chain of command.

But Americans are different. That's why we're outraged by this. That's why the apologies were due.

And that's why I hope as we go about this investigation, we do it in a way that does not dishonor the hundreds of thousands of Americans in uniform who are a lot more like Pat Tillman and Americans that are not know, like Army National Guard Sergeant Felix Del Greco of Simsbury, Connecticut, who was killed in action a few weeks ago; that we not dishonor their service or discredit the cause that brought us to send them to Iraq, because it remains one that is just and necessary.

We've got to get to the whole truth here, and nothing but the truth. We can't be defensive. We've got to be aggressive about it. And as Senator McCain said, we've got to do it quickly so that we and you and most of all our soldiers can get back to fighting and winning the war on terrorism with determination.

As far as I'm concerned, we do have to know how this happened. And we have to know it so we can stop it from happening ever again.

You've said that the behavior of those soldiers was fundamentally un-American. I agree with you. And this goes way back to the first American declaration, the Declaration of Independence, where we said that every human being has those rights as an endowment of our creator.

That even goes to human beings who have been apprehended by our military as they have been in Iraq because they are suspected of being part of the terrorists, of the jihadists, of the foreign fighters, of the Saddam loyalists who are killing Americans and Iraqis every day.

Very nicely said Senator.

CkG

He often gets it right because his views are based on the intellectually defendable points that he's found on the left; not the mindless partisanship that seems to be the bread and butter of the party today.

Thats pretty funny because

1. He supports the war in Iraq
2. He is an extremely moderate democrat

 

[fjord]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: fjord
"Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American".

This statement fundamentally, and at the core essence absolutely applies to The Bush administration's policy in Iraq.

Immoral, intolerable and un-American

Nice of you to attempt to explain this to us. Your partisanship never ceases to amaze me.

No attempted explanation in my post.

The Pre-emptive attack on Iraq by the US does NEED to be explained--since the facts don't agree with the pretext that the Bush administration used as an argument to proceed with this line of policy.

Partisanship, it seems to me--would be an adjective better suited to those who support or excuse the policy of pre-emptive agression-- while it is clear that the arguments for this policy were wrong--if not outright lies.

Either way--being on the side of the facts at hand does not denote partisanship.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: fjord
"Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American".

This statement fundamentally, and at the core essence absolutely applies to The Bush administration's policy in Iraq.

Immoral, intolerable and un-American

Nice of you to attempt to explain this to us. Your partisanship never ceases to amaze me.

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

Just so happens fjord's statements apply to people who voted for Bush before, too.

So people who voted for Bush before are "Immoral, intolerable and un-American" ?


CkG

If they also support the murder of 10,000 plus Iraqi Civilians then -... those terms just might fit.

I don't know any people who voted for Bush(and I've know alot of them) who support the MURDER of Iraqi Civilians - that is part of the reason I supported removing Saddam though - he did MURDER his own civilians.

Anyway - Lieberman's statements are the topic. I apologize for following up on a diversion by fjord.

CkG

 

[fjord]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: fjord
"Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American".

This statement fundamentally, and at the core essence absolutely applies to The Bush administration's policy in Iraq.

Immoral, intolerable and un-American

Nice of you to attempt to explain this to us. Your partisanship never ceases to amaze me.

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

Just so happens fjord's statements apply to people who voted for Bush before, too.

So people who voted for Bush before are "Immoral, intolerable and un-American" ?


CkG

People who voted for Bush before what? If you mean those who voted for Bush for President in 2000, then no of course not. Not immoral, intolerable nor un-American.

That describes the Bush policy towards Iraq. Not the voters in 2000.

Those who voted for Bush in 2000 will have to deal with their conscience as they see fit--knowing what they know now.

Alternatively, those who should vote for Bush in 2004... That is a different story.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: fjord
"Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American".

This statement fundamentally, and at the core essence absolutely applies to The Bush administration's policy in Iraq.

Immoral, intolerable and un-American

Nice of you to attempt to explain this to us. Your partisanship never ceases to amaze me.

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

Just so happens fjord's statements apply to people who voted for Bush before, too.

So people who voted for Bush before are "Immoral, intolerable and un-American" ?


CkG

If they also support the murder of 10,000 plus Iraqi Civilians then -... those terms just might fit.

I don't know any people who voted for Bush(and I've know alot of them) who support the MURDER of Iraqi Civilians - that is part of the reason I supported removing Saddam though - he did MURDER his own civilians.

Anyway - Lieberman's statements are the topic. I apologize for following up on a diversion by fjord.

CkG

Do you believe that Saddam Murders 10,000 PLUS of his own citizens every year?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Do you believe that Saddam Murders 10,000 PLUS of his own citizens every year?

Do you believe that the US Murdered 10,000 plus Iraqi CIVILIANS in the past year?

I wonder what Lieberman's statement has to do with your question

CkG

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: dahunan
Do you believe that Saddam Murders 10,000 PLUS of his own citizens every year?

Do you believe that the US Murdered 10,000 plus Iraqi CIVILIANS in the past year?

I wonder what Lieberman's statement has to do with your question

CkG

YES I do.. now we can get back on topic

 

[Ozoned]

Liebermans statements are directed to the point, unlike so many other dems...

How does one focus on the point, reconcile their core value with their religious beliefs and belong to the democratic party?

Is this a fundamental flaw in my thinking or a fundamental flaw in the democratic party?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: fjord
"Mr. Secretary, the behavior by Americans at the prison in Iraq is, as we all acknowledge, immoral, intolerable and un-American".

This statement fundamentally, and at the core essence absolutely applies to The Bush administration's policy in Iraq.

Immoral, intolerable and un-American

Nice of you to attempt to explain this to us. Your partisanship never ceases to amaze me.

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

Just so happens fjord's statements apply to people who voted for Bush before, too.

So people who voted for Bush before are "Immoral, intolerable and un-American" ?


CkG

If I knew what I know now about him and still voted for him, YES.

 

[Format C:]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

So people who voted for Bush before are "Immoral, intolerable and un-American" ?


CkG

If I knew what I know now about him and still voted for him, YES.

Thats about as stupid a statement as I've ever read.