Libya still in turmoil

[Craig234]

Amnesty International - a great organization deserving of your support - is reporting on problems in Libya.

In wartime, human values respecting life are typically eroded. Libya is no exception.

Also, forces/terrorists/rebels built up are often a problem after the war is over.

Reports are that the rebels are now capturing people suspected of affiliation with the Qadafi regime and torturing them, executing them, imprisoning thousands.

People might remember what happened after the American civil war, when the South was pretty trashed by the Northern forces.

Good for Amnesty reporting on this, to help get the situation controlled.

 

[JSt0rm]

It's up to them now.

 

[Kadarin]

No surprise. Toppling Qaddafi was the easy part; building something worthwhile after is much much harder.

 

[Sinsear]

Gee I'm shocked, completely shocked.

 

[cubby1223]

We begin with a regime that tortured, executed, and imprisoned thousands of people. We aid a civil war to overthrow the leadership. Success brings much needed change, a new regime that tortures, executes, and imprisons thousands of people.

In the mean time, the U.S. is mobilizing forces to ensure contraceptives is the issue of controversy needing resolution.

 

[EagleKeeper]

to help get the situation controlled.

Who is going to control the situation?

How?

The EU already put in place the new government. Was anyone so naive to think that supporters of the old regime would walk away scott free?

 

[Nintendesert]

Good for Amnesty reporting on this, to help get the situation controlled.

You really can't be that naive Craig. Everyone knew this was going to happen once the regime lost.

 

[manimal]

Revolutions are bloody and people die. Now that media is involved we get to see it first hand.

When The first Aasad-sp- in Syria killed 30 thousand people time magazine carried the story with a few pictures. Now that we get to see the carnage in HD and soon 3d we somehow are still surprised it happens.

There is no correct answer and there is no takeaway from whats happening there. Much like france with their purge post revolution the bloodlust will be there till its not.

Its sad and if I had any tears left I would weep for them. Sadly the world has not changed much in the last century.

 

[spacejamz]

Wonder how those egyptians are doing now after throwing out mubarak???

I guess since no one is dying over there, the world doesn't give a crap anymore...

 

[MotF Bane]

AI really isn't all that helpful.

 

[bfdd]

Because we did the wrong thing and fucked it all off. Ghaddafi was our homie for the last few years and we stabbed him in the back because we were anxious to look like heroes in the region. Pathetic. Hillary Clinton should feel like an idiot for her rallying of the troops for that non-sense. Going in front of the UN and demanding the head of a State leave, who the fuck does she think she is?

 

[Nintendesert]

Because we did the wrong thing and fucked it all off. Ghaddafi was our homie for the last few years and we stabbed him in the back because we were anxious to look like heroes in the region. Pathetic. Hillary Clinton should feel like an idiot for her rallying of the troops for that non-sense. Going in front of the UN and demanding the head of a State leave, who the fuck does she think she is?

No, there was a (D) next to the warmonger and not an (R), so it was the right thing to do. :sneaky:

 

[ichy]

No surprise. Toppling Qaddafi was the easy part; building something worthwhile after is much much harder.

As we learned in Iraq the one thing that's worse than a brutal dictatorship is anarchy.

 

[chucky2]

So the UN resolution was to authorize airstrikes to prevent civilian casualties. There's civilian casualties, when are the airstrikes happening again?

 

[Craig234]

No, there was a (D) next to the warmonger and not an (R), so it was the right thing to do. :sneaky:

No, idiot, Qadafi was about to slaughter tens of thousands of his people in response to their revolting, and preventing that slaughter was the right thing to do.

These things are tricky, because you are judging the government - the US would violently put down an 'uprising' here - didn't Qadafi have the right to put down rebellion?

But our view was that Qadafi was not deserving to use massive violence to remain dictator.

'Tricky' doesn't mean we have to not do anything when the people are right.

We were slow to support the earlier revolutions as well, standing by Mubarak while encouraging him not to be violent, we didn't jump on Tunisia that I recall.

We're still not doing anything in Syria, despite the politics being in favor of doing so to overthrow an Iranian ally, apparently because helping the people might greatly increase the casualties and it's not at all clear the people will win short of a large military effort much stronger than the air campaign needed in Lybia. Yet the people in Syria are asking for the world to help them, with an estimated 3000 killed so far. It's a tragedy.

What's Obama supposed to do? Launch a military invasion unilaterally with the anti-new war politics here and the Republicans politicizing it? Do nothing to help the oppressed?

 

[Craig234]

So the UN resolution was to authorize airstrikes to prevent civilian casualties. There's civilian casualties, when are the airstrikes happening again?

Did it pass? Or was it vetoed by China and Russia? It was vetoed.

http://www.cfr.org/un/uns-mideast-struggles/p27362

 

[ichy]

Come on Craig, we all know that if Bush had done the exact same thing you'd be frothing at the mouth with criticism.

 

[MotF Bane]

Come on Craig, we all know that if Bush had done the exact same thing you'd be frothing at the mouth with criticism.

And Syria is irrelevant too.

 

[chucky2]

Did it pass? Or was it vetoed by China and Russia? It was vetoed.

http://www.cfr.org/un/uns-mideast-struggles/p27362

Then WTF is this article talking about?

U.N. ends mandate for NATO operations in Libya


Chuck

 

[Craig234]

Then WTF is this article talking about?

U.N. ends mandate for NATO operations in Libya


Chuck

Yes, there was one for Libya, not Syria. Your post did not specify which country.

I thought you were referring to Syria when you asked 'when will the airstrikes happen?', since they already happened in Libya.

That was a misunderstanding, you're talking about the new Libyan killings.

Airstrikes are not the appropriate response to every case of civilian killings. They don't appear to be for the rebel criminals.

 

[chucky2]

Your thread is about Libya. I wasn't responding to anyone specific. Why would you think I was talking about Syria? The airstrikes are what I'm talking about. The totally vague 'to prevent civilian casualties' UN mandate means we should be now conducting airstrikes, again, in Libya...so as to protect the civilians being killed there.

Right? Civilians are civilians, Libya is still Libya. We're going to be consistent here aren't we?

 

[Craig234]

Your thread is about Libya. I wasn't responding to anyone specific. Why would you think I was talking about Syria? The airstrikes are what I'm talking about. The totally vague 'to prevent civilian casualties' UN mandate means we should be now conducting airstrikes, again, in Libya...so as to protect the civilians being killed there.

Right? Civilians are civilians, Libya is still Libya. We're going to be consistent here aren't we?

Consistency does not require airstrikes to every case of civilians being killed.

 

[Nintendesert]

Consistency does not require airstrikes to every case of civilians being killed.

Right, only when a (D) is next to the name.

 

[bfdd]

Craig if he is going to kill 10 thousand rebels who are trying to over throw him, what's wrong with that? Would you have issue with the Federal Government killing 10 thousand rebels trying to over throw them? No you would be demanding it. You are a fucking tool. First off he was our ALLY IN THE REGION. I have NUMEROUS TIMES posted links where WE and OUR ALLIES same these things. That he was fighting AQ with us, they didn't like it. He was a crappy leader, but he was making concessions to the West and the fundamentalists didn't like that. Libya is a hot bed of AQ recruiting. We jumped into this stupid rebellion because we were anxious over the Egyptian deal. We didn't get to be captain save a ho there and the brown people were able to handle "Revolution" without us, the great revolutionaries, so we had to get in on this shit!

Craig you bit into the whole Libya thing hook line and sinker because you're nothing more than an ideological tool. Hey Craig I want to shatter your world. Craig why do you continue your support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? You directly contribute to the deaths of people you piece of shit.

 

[Craig234]

It's sad not one 'conservative' has agreed to compliment Amnest International for their work monitoring and reporting this information. They just hate human rights?