Libya Offers Pan Am Compensation

Kadarin

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I saw this, and am wondering if it's just a ploy an Ghadafi's part to buy his way out of the UN/US economic sanctions, or if he has some inkling of reconciling with the Western world... Dunno.
 

mpitts

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It is a bunch of BS. He is using the compensation only if sanctions are lifted, etc. It is just posturing.
 

Red Dawn

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$10 million per family for a grand total of $2.7 Billion
It is a bunch of BS. He is using the compensation only if sanctions are lifted, etc. It is just posturing.
So you think that the families shouldn't be compensated so we can keep the sanctions on Libya? Tell me, what the fsck have they done since the Pan Am Bombing? Not much. I think Libya knows better than to mess with us anymore. So they hate Israel, hell we deal with the Frogs and they don't seem to like Israel much either. I think it's BS to deny the Victims Families compensation because some assholes with political agenda's have a stick up their arse.
 

Kilgor

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Maybe he wants to join the world again and not be known as a terrorist nation. People change over time you can never know.
 

Nemesis77

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Libya hasn't been doing much lately. Gaddafi might me a bit weird, but same can be said for GWB. They might have been supporting terrorists in the past, but that seems to have stopped. I see no reason to keep the embargo. The bombers have been punished and Libya offers economic compensation. What more is there to it?
 

Red Dawn

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Maybe he wants to join the world again and not be known as a terrorist nation. People change over time you can never know.
I'm sure he is still a Bunghole.Still, even if there are mitigating circumstances regarding the compensation, I think they pale in comparison to the Victims families grief and the payout would go a long way in relieving that grief.

Gaddafi might me a bit weird, but same can be said for GWB
Hahaha.. well I can't think of a President we have had that wasn't a little weird.
 

Modeps

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i think it's a good thing. heck, after september 11th, Gaddafi actually called bush and said something along the lines of "It wasnt me!"
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: Intake77
i think it's a good thing. heck, after september 11th, Gaddafi actually called bush and said something along the lines of "It wasnt me!"

That's because he didn't want Libya nuked into a glass parking lot.
 

Nemesis77

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Originally posted by: Intake77
i think it's a good thing. heck, after september 11th, Gaddafi actually called bush and said something along the lines of "It wasnt me!"

Right after spt. 11th, Gaddafi made public announcement which basically said "USA has the right to avenge this barbaric act". 'nuff said.
 

mpitts

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
$10 million per family for a grand total of $2.7 Billion
It is a bunch of BS. He is using the compensation only if sanctions are lifted, etc. It is just posturing.
So you think that the families shouldn't be compensated so we can keep the sanctions on Libya? Tell me, what the fsck have they done since the Pan Am Bombing? Not much. I think Libya knows better than to mess with us anymore. So they hate Israel, hell we deal with the Frogs and they don't seem to like Israel much either. I think it's BS to deny the Victims Families compensation because some assholes with political agenda's have a stick up their arse.

I never said the families shouldn't be compensated.

If you are going to do it, do it. Don't make it contingent on something COMPLETELY unrelated. These are two separate issues that should be dealt with as such.

From cnn:

Jack Shultz, whose 21-year-old son Thomas died in the bombing, said Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi must accept responsibility before any settlement is reached.

"He has to get out of the terrorism business and take responsibility," Shultz said. "The money isn't the issue. It's his taking responsibility and swearing off terrorism. Now he has to come clean and help us."


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The United States says it will only lift its unilateral sanctions once Libya complies with the U.N. resolutions.

Ghadafi is just trying to buy his way out, and is using the emotions of people who have suffered greatly to help him.

 

Red Dawn

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If you are going to do it, do it. Don't make it contingent on something COMPLETELY unrelated. These are two separate issues that should be dealt with as such.
Except that's not how it works in the real world. Do you ever hear Libya's name come up when Powel,Bush or any other Official talk about Nations that sponsor Terrorism today? I haven't.
 

mpitts

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If you are going to do it, do it. Don't make it contingent on something COMPLETELY unrelated. These are two separate issues that should be dealt with as such.
Except that's not how it works in the real world. Do you ever hear Libya's name come up when Powel,Bush or any other Official talk about Nations that sponsor Terrorism today? I haven't.

I understand where you are coming from. However, if the sanctions haven't been removed by now, there is probably a reason.

Like I said, I am not against compensation for the families. I just feel that, instead of doing what it would normally take to get these sanctions removed, Lybia is trying to buy their way out. It just doesn't set right with me.

Oh well.
 

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So you think that the families shouldn't be compensated so we can keep the sanctions on Libya? Tell me, what the fsck have they done since the Pan Am Bombing? Not much. I think Libya knows better than to mess with us anymore. So they hate Israel, hell we deal with the Frogs and they don't seem to like Israel much either. I think it's BS to deny the Victims Families compensation because some assholes with political agenda's have a stick up their arse.
No I don't think we should lift the sanctions in order for them to get paid. Do you think it is possible that the reason they haven't been doing anything is because of the sanctions. There is a much bigger picture here than those 270 people. What if we lift sanctions and he expands his support of terrorists or finishes his WMD program? What he needs to do is pay the money, abide by the UN resolutions and prove he is no longer the leader of a terrorists nation. If we give in to this we are doing nothing more than negotiating with terrorists. I feel for the people who lost loved ones but we should not give in to terrorists demands.
 

Red Dawn

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Yeah on the surface it looks like a good deal but I'm sure behind the scenes there is much more going on than any of us probably will ever know.
 

prontospyder

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Maybe if the US accepts this deal, it'll improve our standing in the Middle East? Then again, Libya can support terrorism after the sanctions have been lifted. This is gonna be a tough call for Bush.
 

Amused

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I have to agree with mpitts and the survivor's father here. Libya is trying to buy their way out of the present situation.

If a rich man commits mass-murder and is sentenced to prison, do we let him out if he offers multimillion dollar payoffs to the families of his victims?
 

rahvin

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But, keep in mind our government does hold grudges. Cuba for example. Lybia does need to comply with the UN resolutions but the solution to getting that compliance may be dialog and lifting of some of the sanctions as encouragement. I'm not arguing for or against, our leaders do have access to intelligence information that none of the rest of us do.
 

sandorski

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Of course he's trying to buy himself out of a jam, just like Michael Jackson, various US state/federal governments, and a whole whack of corporations listed on various stock exchanges. He also could begin sponsoring terrorism, but why spend all this money just to get bitch slapped again?

Make him comply, take his money, set him free, and if he goofs off smack him down and re-impose sanctions.
 

burnedout

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I had originally reserved a seat on PA 103 for 21-12-88 a little more than a month earlier. Found out shortly after booking that I couldn't leave Germany until the 28th of December so I changed the flight. Got into it with my First Sergeant because I couldn't leave country until after Christmas. I recall thanking him most graciously on the morning of the 22nd.

Also remember calling my mother on the day after the plane went down. She was so relieved, she began crying. The original intent was to surprise her by coming home early for Christmas. Thankfully, that surprise never occured.

Still have the original reservation lying around somewhere. Christmas of 1988 turned out to be the best one I ever had. I'm sorry I can't say the same for the victims and their families.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Nemesis77
Libya hasn't been doing much lately. Gaddafi might me a bit weird, but same can be said for GWB. They might have been supporting terrorists in the past, but that seems to have stopped. I see no reason to keep the embargo. The bombers have been punished and Libya offers economic compensation. What more is there to it?


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