Libs in this forum seem extremely angry

[palindrome]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Exactly. Without the misinformation and negativity, the Republicans wouldn't stand a chance.

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Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium

Originally posted by: Balt
What's that smell?

Of course, it's troll bait.

Exactly. Why no lock?

Was this not your first post on this thread? You ask why there isn't a lock. Yet, you then bash the Republicans for misinfo and negativity. What isn't negative about asking for a lock on a legitimate thread? Consistency must not be your middle name.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: CellarDoor

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I could care less which side ends up with control because either side will continue to destroy the country.. One by waging war till we are destroyed by war and the other by spending us into oblivion... we can't win ... We as a nation can't afford what either side will give us even though one side's platform IS really needed while the other side's is best left alone.. so in retrospect... perhaps I'd prefer going down getting what we need than what we don't need... Vote Left of Center.. hehehe

I agree with what you're trying to say, but which party is which in the bolded quote?

With regard to the subject, I'd consider myself a liberal and I'm extremely angry. I won't list all the reasons I'm angry with the current aministration, because they've all been said before. However, I'm furious at the state of American politics, with the negative attack ads, lack of honest debate, deception, scandals, etc (although, I will never use this as an excuse not to gain as much information as I can and go out and vote). You can blame both parties for that bullshit. Frankly, everyone should be angry. If you aren't angry at the state of American politics, then you aren't paying attention, or you just don't give a ******.

Hehehhe The Right is both sides of the 'bold' while the left seeks to be neither... but is as well... it is all about who seeks to be what by their actions and votes and not what comes out their mouth.
As a fiscal conservative and social liberal I find it hard to reconcile my own wants and desires with the reality of our day... I can get there with an extreme but slow move toward isolationism. Rebuild America economically then seek to influence the world. Not that we have massive unemployment but the employed that are are not fully.
A change is needed... a total change and I don't much care who does the changing...

 

[palindrome]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
Most useless port ever.

DEMs are mad, sure. Not for any reason you think about or take into consideration. We're mad because our economy is in the dumper, foreclosures are at an all-time high, job numbers are pathetic, we're suffering through a war that should have never been started, our public education system is the worst it's been...ever, and No Child Left Behind has set us back 40 years, we're in danger of losing social security for those who need it or will need it, our healthcare system is in shambles, do I need to go on? Bush has done nothing, absolutely NOTHING to advance this country, and has in most cases set us back decades. He didn't do it alone, but nothing he's done has improved any of those situations.

So yes, we're mad, but it's because of your ignorance and lack of ability to actually care about the direction this country is heading in, not because we didn't win in 2000 or in 2004, or because we might not win in 2006 or 2008, but because every time we don't win, it just shows how much lazier and self-centered this nation has become as a whole.

You'll get what you deserve, the rest of us will just have to deal with it.

Most of these problems existed prior to Bush being elected and the Repubs holding Congress. What were the Dems doing in the 8 years prior that helped the issue? Aside from sexing up interns...

Don't point fingers at the Republicans if you think they did something wrong. Atleast they did SOMETHING. Everyone should know that cannot be said about the Clinton administration. (Well, he did pardon a few of his buddies who were supposed to go to jail for various high dollar big business money crimes before he was taken out of office, but I'm not sure that counts as "helping" the country)

 

[palindrome]

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Are you sure you're voting for the right party there, ace? Taking responsibility for things does not seem to be the Republicans' strong suit. I never thought I'd say this, but it really makes me wish for the days of "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is".

Yes. For the most part I do believe republicans take responsibility and do the right thing. But there's the age old addage - "under 30, vote with your heart (liberal), over 30 vote with your head (conservative)." I turned conservative around 29.

There is a HUGE qualifier there. "for the most part" I know it's lame and can be used on both sides.

BTW - I thought Clinton was a pretty good president and liked some of the things he did. I also think that in the age of information politics have changed radically on both sides. I just wish the misinformation and negativity could stop.

If your head and your heart don't work in unison, then you are one messed up individual. I'm 26, and I turned liberal around the time I stopped listening to my elders and paid attention to politics for myself. And I've begun to understand a simple thing. In order for me to become conservative I'd have to do two things. 1) completely disregard all morals and concern for humanity and thus become a heartless empty husk of a man. And 2) I'd have to drop my IQ a minimum of 58 pt, because so long as I maintain an IQ over 100 I'm too intelligent to vote conservative.

Everything I do in life takes into account both my head and my heart, it's one of those things that makes me a human.

Once again with the insults, I love how these guys fight!

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I could care less which side ends up with control because either side will continue to destroy the country.. One by waging war till we are destroyed by war and the other by spending us into oblivion... we can't win ... We as a nation can't afford what either side will give us even though one side's platform IS really needed while the other side's is best left alone.. so in retrospect... perhaps I'd prefer going down getting what we need than what we don't need... Vote Left of Center.. hehehe

Exactly, do we run up the deficit of this country waging war on ghosts or improving the life of it's people Pick your poison.?

We can't get rid of King George, but we do have a chance to tie his hands for the remainder of his tenure. I sure hope we are smart enough to do it beofre he mucks things up even worse.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: palindrome

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Are you sure you're voting for the right party there, ace? Taking responsibility for things does not seem to be the Republicans' strong suit. I never thought I'd say this, but it really makes me wish for the days of "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is".

Yes. For the most part I do believe republicans take responsibility and do the right thing. But there's the age old addage - "under 30, vote with your heart (liberal), over 30 vote with your head (conservative)." I turned conservative around 29.

There is a HUGE qualifier there. "for the most part" I know it's lame and can be used on both sides.

BTW - I thought Clinton was a pretty good president and liked some of the things he did. I also think that in the age of information politics have changed radically on both sides. I just wish the misinformation and negativity could stop.

If your head and your heart don't work in unison, then you are one messed up individual. I'm 26, and I turned liberal around the time I stopped listening to my elders and paid attention to politics for myself. And I've begun to understand a simple thing. In order for me to become conservative I'd have to do two things. 1) completely disregard all morals and concern for humanity and thus become a heartless empty husk of a man. And 2) I'd have to drop my IQ a minimum of 58 pt, because so long as I maintain an IQ over 100 I'm too intelligent to vote conservative.

Everything I do in life takes into account both my head and my heart, it's one of those things that makes me a human.

Once again with the insults, I love how these guys fight!

I guess he touched a nerve?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Of course the liberals here are extremely angry. They've failed to win an election for years now, despite the massive influx of Hollywood dollars and 85% of the media promoting their agenda. You'd be unhappy too!

That said, it isn't just the liberals here. Take a look around. They're all the same.

And Pabster gets it wrong as he does in every political post.

Liberals have lost elections and not minded nearly as much when the alternative was not bad. Heck, Adlai Stevenson lost to Ike twice, and liberals didn't react that badly.

No, the issue now isn't losing elections, it's the destruction of the nation's well-being by those who are winning the elections.

Of course, the snide, childish taunting fits well the snide, childish everything else about this group who supports Bush.

The influx of Hollywood cash is not massive in affecting the election; and is dwarfed by the case from the corrupt special corporate interests.

And the media does *not* promote 'the liberal agenda', they promote the 'what sells' agenda, and the right-wing agenda to an extent.

There aren't many political advocacy shows on TV, I can't think of one that compares to talk radio - the right likes to brag how its right-wing radio shows reach 50 million?

So one minute it's bragging how they dominate the airwaves, the next it's whining that the liberal agenda dominates the media.

It's the Paranoid style of politics.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: palindrome

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Are you sure you're voting for the right party there, ace? Taking responsibility for things does not seem to be the Republicans' strong suit. I never thought I'd say this, but it really makes me wish for the days of "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is".

Yes. For the most part I do believe republicans take responsibility and do the right thing. But there's the age old addage - "under 30, vote with your heart (liberal), over 30 vote with your head (conservative)." I turned conservative around 29.

There is a HUGE qualifier there. "for the most part" I know it's lame and can be used on both sides.

BTW - I thought Clinton was a pretty good president and liked some of the things he did. I also think that in the age of information politics have changed radically on both sides. I just wish the misinformation and negativity could stop.

If your head and your heart don't work in unison, then you are one messed up individual. I'm 26, and I turned liberal around the time I stopped listening to my elders and paid attention to politics for myself. And I've begun to understand a simple thing. In order for me to become conservative I'd have to do two things. 1) completely disregard all morals and concern for humanity and thus become a heartless empty husk of a man. And 2) I'd have to drop my IQ a minimum of 58 pt, because so long as I maintain an IQ over 100 I'm too intelligent to vote conservative.

Everything I do in life takes into account both my head and my heart, it's one of those things that makes me a human.

Once again with the insults, I love how these guys fight!

thraashman,

Are you sure it is compassionate and thinking with your heart that leads to a political party fighting for the acceptance of such things as nuclear proliferation? What I?ve seen issues boil down to is ?Republicans want X, we?ll fight tooth and nail for the people to get Y?. So when we want to combat Iran/North Korea on nuclear weapons, the full force of the opposing party comes down against us to protect them.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Put away the talking points and educate yourself. Craig234 is exactly right, on all counts.

No he is spreading disinformation and scare tactics. Read up some with actual hard data on the number and stop getting your information from flaming liberal agenda sources. Deal with facts. Facts can scare of a liberal faster than anything sending them scurrying and and hissing back into their hole. (more to the point that liberals are angry, deeply problematic psychopaths or they are poor people that envy the success of others without improving themselves)

Democrats would totally fail if they lose the poor vote. Why do you think they keep spreading this BS crap? If they don't keep spouting the BS to infuriate poor people they wouldn't stand a chance in the elections.

The rich pay the lions share of the taxes, the poor pay none, the middle class pay less. Just keep that in mind when speading the agenda because facts always win.

-edit-
Anybody that disagrees. Just look at your returns over the last 5 years and then tell me you are paying more in federal taxes. You aren't.

 

[CellarDoor]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: CellarDoor

With regard to the subject, I'd consider myself a liberal and I'm extremely angry. I won't list all the reasons I'm angry with the current aministration, because they've all been said before. However, I'm furious at the state of American politics, with the negative attack ads, lack of honest debate, deception, scandals, etc (although, I will never use this as an excuse not to gain as much information as I can and go out and vote). You can blame both parties for that bullshit. Frankly, everyone should be angry. If you aren't angry at the state of American politics, then you aren't paying attention, or you just don't give a ******.

Nice thought-out post, Cellar. No insults, and you offer constructive advice. You and I might disagree all day long on issues, but the forum would be a better place if people followed this post's example.

I don't consider someone calling me a conservative to be an insult. Do you consider liberal or lib an insult?

Thanks for the kind words. I recognize that the issues I generally stand for are considered "liberal" and if that makes me a "liberal" in the eyes of others then I'm damn proud of it. Of course, these terms really only make sense in terms of social policy nowadays.

Love him or hate him, Bill Clinton is out there discussing the need for both sides to work together and engage in honest debate. This is what we really need. I almost don't really care about individual issues anymore, because it's all pointless if we're not willing to work together.

 

[Moonbeam]

I would post here but I'm just too pissed off.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: palindrome
When was the last time you saw a middle-class Democrat run for office.

It was the last never ago, right?

<------------------- Right here

 

[palehorse]

what is a fear of fear itself called?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: palindrome
When was the last time you saw a middle-class Democrat run for office.

It was the last never ago, right?

<------------------- Right here

And what state/district did you file to run in?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I would post here but I'm just too pissed off.

:laugh:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: palindrome
When was the last time you saw a middle-class Democrat run for office.

It was the last never ago, right?

<------------------- Right here

And what state/district did you file to run in?

Will be from Oklahoma, Delaware District.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: palindrome

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Speak for yourself please.

Just because you and the rest of the Republicans hate America doesn't mean the rest of do too.

I don't hate america. I hate the pussification of it (lack of personal responsibility and the inability to do what is right for the good of others) and will vote accordingly to continue this increase in the quality of life for America.

When's the last time a Republican took responsibility for anything?

Foley ("Oh, a Priest molested me. No wait, it's the alcohol!")



When's the last time a Republican cared squat for America, in general, instead of the corporation keeping him in office?

When was the last time you saw a middle-class Democrat run for office. It was the last never ago, right?

One running for Congress right here in Louisville.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: conjur
One running for Congress right here in Louisville.

That psycho doesn't stand a chance. He's a good guy (played golf with him a few times) but he's WAY too left.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: conjur
One running for Congress right here in Louisville.

That psycho doesn't stand a chance. He's a good guy (played golf with him a few times) but he's WAY too left.

Everyone is "WAY" too left for you.

I'm not surprised since you are so radical.

 

[Icepick]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
Just an observation, the libs in this forum seem extraordinarily hostile lately. I think it's because they are afraid the democrats will lose yet another election. What do you think?

People on the left including most media are predicting victory for the demos. People on the right are saying it's too close to call. Sounds like the '04 elections to me.

I think this is a different set of variables. If I had to guess how it'd turn out right now, I'd say the dems will get control of one side of congress. But the conservative base came out in droves and really upset the lib polsters and their media friends in '04.

:evil: You're damned right I'm angry you f****ing a**h***!!!!!!!!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'm not surprised since you are so radical.

Excuse me, the irony meter has broken again :laugh:

 

[ProfJohn]

Clinton was a "middle class" democrat people. He actually never owned his own home, always lived in the government mansion.

Might have decent income from Hillary, but I would not say they were "rich"

 

[palindrome]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: palindrome
When was the last time you saw a middle-class Democrat run for office.

It was the last never ago, right?

<------------------- Right here

Isn't that tunnel in Europe? (The one in your banner on your link)

 

[randym431]

Face it. Democrats are both the liberal and conservative party today. Republicans? Who can figure what they stand for. Reagan and Goldwater should be rolling in their graves, and probably are.

As each day passes, things just get worse for republicans. Poll approval for republican congress is now the lowest ever recorded, at 16%. Bush, back down to 34% but his negative is 52%, the highest negative ever.

Cheney, his approval is now 20%, as bad as Agnew's once was, or close to it.

Now a judge has ruled Cheney turn over his whitehouse visiting logs. NOT GOOD?.

Sure, if the elections were held today democrats would take the house and the senate by 7. But lets wait... Things are just getting worse and worse for republicans. I happily give them 3 more weeks. Don?t worry, be HAPPY!

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
Most useless port ever.

DEMs are mad, sure. Not for any reason you think about or take into consideration. We're mad because our economy is in the dumper, foreclosures are at an all-time high, job numbers are pathetic, we're suffering through a war that should have never been started, our public education system is the worst it's been...ever, and No Child Left Behind has set us back 40 years, we're in danger of losing social security for those who need it or will need it, our healthcare system is in shambles, do I need to go on? Bush has done nothing, absolutely NOTHING to advance this country, and has in most cases set us back decades. He didn't do it alone, but nothing he's done has improved any of those situations.

So yes, we're mad, but it's because of your ignorance and lack of ability to actually care about the direction this country is heading in, not because we didn't win in 2000 or in 2004, or because we might not win in 2006 or 2008, but because every time we don't win, it just shows how much lazier and self-centered this nation has become as a whole.

You'll get what you deserve, the rest of us will just have to deal with it.

That about sums up my thoughts.

I can't imagine a time when world opinion of the US was worse than it is now. Sure we've been criticized in the past for being wasteful, arrogant, ignorant, etc, but I don't think we've ever been outright hated like we are now. The democratic party didn't lose the 2004 election. The American people lost the 2004 election. I hope the people of this country aren't stupid enough to repeat the same mistake.