Libs in this forum seem extremely angry

[hellokeith]

Just an observation, the libs in this forum seem extraordinarily hostile lately. I think it's because they are afraid the democrats will lose yet another election. What do you think?

People on the left including most media are predicting victory for the demos. People on the right are saying it's too close to call. Sounds like the '04 elections to me.

I think this is a different set of variables. If I had to guess how it'd turn out right now, I'd say the dems will get control of one side of congress. But the conservative base came out in droves and really upset the lib polsters and their media friends in '04.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
Just an observation, the libs in this forum seem extraordinarily hostile lately. I think it's because they are afraid the democrats will lose yet another election. What do you think?

People on the left including most media are predicting victory for the demos. People on the right are saying it's too close to call. Sounds like the '04 elections to me.

I think this is a different set of variables. If I had to guess how it'd turn out right now, I'd say the dems will get control of one side of congress. But the conservative base came out in droves and really upset the lib polsters and their media friends in '04.

They're mainly frustrated because their ideas (if there are any) go against what most of america wants. It's similar to how a child throws a tantrum when they don't get their way, even if the parent is doing it for the better good. Conservatives realize this and just ignore them until election day when we can make our will known.

Prediction? Republicans maintain control of the house/senate. You can't run on a platform/ideas if you don't have any.

 

[blackllotus]

I should have known from the thread title that I would only find mindless republican tools here.

 

[railer]

<yawn> aren't you people (and by "you people" , I mean, of course, the stupid) tired of characterizing people as "liberal" or "conservative" yet? It has no meaning. Intelligent people will have a wide range of thought about a wide range of issues. Now let's grow up.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: spidey07
They're mainly frustrated because their ideas (if there are any) go against what most of america wants.

Speak for yourself please.

Just because you and the rest of the Republicans hate America doesn't mean the rest of do too.

 

[Balt]

What's that smell?

Of course, it's troll bait.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Speak for yourself please.

Just because you and the rest of the Republicans hate America doesn't mean the rest of do too.

I don't hate america. I hate the pussification of it (lack of personal responsibility and the inability to do what is right for the good of others) and will vote accordingly to continue this increase in the quality of life for America.

 

[UberNeuman]

Why is it that those who have no answers are the first to point fingers and attack others?

 

[Rainsford]

Lately, being anything other than a "conservative" in this country is roughly equivalent to spending days on end trying to explain nuclear physics to a small child with a learning disability. Hell, we've been having discussions about Bush for 6 years now and our friendly conservatives STILL don't understand that not liking Bush does not make you a liberal.

As for the elections, obviously I want the Dems to gain control...this isn't some weird characteristic of "liberals". I suspect most Bushies want, gasp, the Republicans to keep control. But if you're wondering where all the hostility, nastiness and general anger is coming from...it's election time, in a particularly tense period in our history, it seems natural that emotions are running high. If you're wondering why you don't see similar changes in conservatives, it's because they act like that all the time.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Speak for yourself please.

Just because you and the rest of the Republicans hate America doesn't mean the rest of do too.

I don't hate america. I hate the pussification of it (lack of personal responsibility and the inability to do what is right for the good of others) and will vote accordingly to continue this increase in the quality of life for America.

Are you sure you're voting for the right party there, ace? Taking responsibility for things does not seem to be the Republicans' strong suit. I never thought I'd say this, but it really makes me wish for the days of "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is".

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Speak for yourself please.

Just because you and the rest of the Republicans hate America doesn't mean the rest of do too.

I hate the pussification of it (lack of personal responsibility and the inability to do what is right for the good of others)

You mean all that good our republican buddies did to try and stop the genocide in Sudan? Oh wait. You must mean the civil war in Iraq.

 

[dahunan]

Republicans in America are Extremely GULLIBLE

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Speak for yourself please.

Just because you and the rest of the Republicans hate America doesn't mean the rest of do too.

I don't hate america. I hate the pussification of it (lack of personal responsibility and the inability to do what is right for the good of others) and will vote accordingly to continue this increase in the quality of life for America.

Another armchair tough guy. If you believe in it so much go sign up.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Speak for yourself please.

Just because you and the rest of the Republicans hate America doesn't mean the rest of do too.

I don't hate america. I hate the pussification of it (lack of personal responsibility and the inability to do what is right for the good of others) and will vote accordingly to continue this increase in the quality of life for America.

Awwwwwwwwwww

10-17-2006 "Values" voters fade as factor in U.S. campaign

Even before U.S. Rep. Mark Foley's cybersex scandal, Republicans fighting to keep control of Congress were struggling to hold on to "values voters" who usually are energized by issues like gay marriage and abortion.

While such issues motivated the Republicans' social-conservative base in the past, they are overshadowed in this year's congressional election campaign by concerns about the Iraq war, the economy and national security, according to opinion polls and political strategists.

"Poverty, the wealth gap, health care -- people can't afford Medicare. Something's got to be done about that," Sue Harrell, a school teacher in Monroe City, Indiana, said recently.

She said "Christian values" were important in previous votes but her top issues now are education and the prevalence of methamphetamine abuse and poverty in Knox County, Indiana.

Since his re-election in 2004, President Bush has catered to social-conservative priorities by appointing two conservatives to the U.S. Supreme Court and by issuing his first veto against a bill that would have expanded federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

But few individual races this year are turning on such issues.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Are you sure you're voting for the right party there, ace? Taking responsibility for things does not seem to be the Republicans' strong suit. I never thought I'd say this, but it really makes me wish for the days of "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is".

Yes. For the most part I do believe republicans take responsibility and do the right thing. But there's the age old addage - "under 30, vote with your heart (liberal), over 30 vote with your head (conservative)." I turned conservative around 29.

There is a HUGE qualifier there. "for the most part" I know it's lame and can be used on both sides.

BTW - I thought Clinton was a pretty good president and liked some of the things he did. I also think that in the age of information politics have changed radically on both sides. I just wish the misinformation and negativity could stop.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"Poverty, the wealth gap, health care -- people can't afford Medicare. Something's got to be done about that," Sue Harrell, a school teacher in Monroe City, Indiana, said recently.

Dave, as my SO is involved in educational administration, teachers are primarily democratic. voting with their hearts, not thinking about what they need to do to truly fix the problem.

But once they move into a position to actually manage the systems they see first hand just how mucked up it is and quickly turn conservative.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Speak for yourself please.

Just because you and the rest of the Republicans hate America doesn't mean the rest of do too.

I don't hate america. I hate the pussification of it (lack of personal responsibility and the inability to do what is right for the good of others) and will vote accordingly to continue this increase in the quality of life for America.

Another armchair tough guy. If you believe in it so much go sign up.

Just suffering the mental illness that comes from repressing his feminine side. You know how paternalistically piggish Republicans can be.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"Poverty, the wealth gap, health care -- people can't afford Medicare. Something's got to be done about that," Sue Harrell, a school teacher in Monroe City, Indiana, said recently.

Dave, as my SO is involved in educational administration, teachers are primarily democratic. voting with their hearts, not thinking about what they need to do to truly fix the problem.

But once they move into a position to actually manage the systems they see first hand just how mucked up it is and quickly turn conservative.

Republicans have fixed what???

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"Poverty, the wealth gap, health care -- people can't afford Medicare. Something's got to be done about that," Sue Harrell, a school teacher in Monroe City, Indiana, said recently.

Dave, as my SO is involved in educational administration, teachers are primarily democratic. voting with their hearts, not thinking about what they need to do to truly fix the problem.

But once they move into a position to actually manage the systems they see first hand just how mucked up it is and quickly turn conservative.

Republicans have fixed what???

So many examples.... while in the topic of education, how about No Child Left Behind????

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Are you sure you're voting for the right party there, ace? Taking responsibility for things does not seem to be the Republicans' strong suit. I never thought I'd say this, but it really makes me wish for the days of "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is".

Yes. For the most part I do believe republicans take responsibility and do the right thing. But there's the age old addage - "under 30, vote with your heart (liberal), over 30 vote with your head (conservative)." I turned conservative around 29.

There is a HUGE qualifier there. "for the most part" I know it's lame and can be used on both sides.

BTW - I thought Clinton was a pretty good president and liked some of the things he did. I also think that in the age of information politics have changed radically on both sides. I just wish the misinformation and negativity could stop.

Hey, you don't have to tell me what the Republican selling points are...I used to buy into them and believe in them just as much as you do, if not more. Until I was about half way through college I was a die-hard Republican. I really liked the idea of being part of the party that took the rational and reasonable approach to things, and took responsibility for themselves, both as individuals and as leaders. But the more I looked, the more that looked about as realistic as a beer commercial. The "old adages" are marketing, and fairly effective marketing at that, but still the same kind of thing bandied about in truck ads. It wasn't so much that my political viewpoint changed, or that the Republican party changed, it was that I was basing my views off of their slogans and marketing, and behind the slogans and marketing was something else entirely.

Your adage about heart vs brains is a perfect example, the sound-bite is that Republicans are the ones you want when level headed thinking is called for, yet in the debate over security policies, fear-based alarmism seems to largely be the approach the Republicans use in decision making. Very few Democrats have argued against torture by suggesting that you personally are going to be picked up by the "gestapo" and tortured (they tend to argue more in terms of morality and effectiveness), yet you can't pick up the opinion section of the paper without some Republican supporting torture by suggesting how it could work in an improbable ticking-time bomb scenario straight out of '24'. Now maybe it's just me, but the one of those arguments that seems to involve using your head does NOT seem to be the latter one.

But I see no reason we can't rationally discuss policy difference. Of course if you really want that and less negativity, your own comments might be a great start. Not that mine were any better, but you are not exactly what I would call "nice" when expressing your opinion on here.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Termagant
So many examples.... while in the topic of education, how about No Child Left Behind????

Hand up as a conservative and the SO.

No Child Left Behind sounds liike a great idea!

But it's a very bad idea and the educators hate it with a passion.
Therefore I also believe it sucks. Good intentions, bad implmentation.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There are conservatives in the Republican party? When did that happen?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Hey, you don't have to tell me what the Republican selling points are...I used to buy into them and believe in them just as much as you do, if not more. Until I was about half way through college I was a die-hard Republican. I really liked the idea of being part of the party that took the rational and reasonable approach to things, and took responsibility for themselves, both as individuals and as leaders. But the more I looked, the more that looked about as realistic as a beer commercial. The "old adages" are marketing, and fairly effective marketing at that, but still the same kind of thing bandied about in truck ads. It wasn't so much that my political viewpoint changed, or that the Republican party changed, it was that I was basing my views off of their slogans and marketing, and behind the slogans and marketing was something else entirely.

Your adage about heart vs brains is a perfect example, the sound-bite is that Republicans are the ones you want when level headed thinking is called for, yet in the debate over security policies, fear-based alarmism seems to largely be the approach the Republicans use in decision making. Very few Democrats have argued against torture by suggesting that you personally are going to be picked up by the "gestapo" and tortured (they tend to argue more in terms of morality and effectiveness), yet you can't pick up the opinion section of the paper without some Republican supporting torture by suggesting how it could work in an improbable ticking-time bomb scenario straight out of '24'. Now maybe it's just me, but the one of those arguments that seems to involve using your head does NOT seem to be the latter one.

But I see no reason we can't rationally discuss policy difference. Of course if you really want that and less negativity, your own comments might be a great start. Not that mine were any better, but you are not exactly what I would call "nice" when expressing your opinion on here.

Rainsford,

I'm glad you see all sides. I do respect your opinion. I try to keep the negativity down and that's why I enjoy our discussions. I have to go to bed. But the main comment is that I would like to acknoledge you as one who "gets it".

It''s marketing. On both sides you had better believe it is marekting. Heck, I'm probably suspect to it. But hopefully I can recognize unadulteradted marketing (on both sides, if one cannot see it...then so be it, but it is what it is - marketing)

Eitherway, we have our respective voices in the booth.

---disregard gross spelling erros if you please.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
There are conservatives in the Republican party? When did that happen?

:thumbsup:

 

[theeedude]

All Americans should be angry at where this country has descended in the last 6 years.