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conjur

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http://www.fwweekly.com/issues/2004-08-25/metropolis.asp
The e-mail with the alarming subject line appeared in Cathy Hartman?s inbox early one Thursday afternoon in late July. The terse message was from Judith Russell, superintendent of documents in the Government Printing Office in Washington, and had been sent out to hundreds of librarians across the country.

?Destroy DOJ documents,?? Russell had written in the e-mail?s subject line. The U.S. Department of Justice, Russell explained, had asked her office to instruct librarians to destroy ?by any means? all copies of five government publications, to ?prevent disclosure of their contents.?

?Please withdraw these materials immediately,?? Russell wrote.

The UNT library is among some 1,300 libraries around the country where Uncle Sam makes government documents and publications available to the public. It wasn?t unusual for so-called Federal Depository Libraries to get e-mails like the one Hartman got from the feds. And though it was rare, it wasn?t unheard-of to get a notice saying a particular publication should be withdrawn, usually because it was outdated, contained errors, or, very rarely, had information that had become sensitive.

But this request was as odd as J. Edgar Hoover?s private wardrobe. The justice department wanted librarians to remove publications that contained information no one thought should ever be secret ? the text of laws written by Congress, the legal rulings written by federal judges, blank forms used by government attorneys in courthouses across the nation.

Even in the post-9/11 world of secret prisoners, secret intelligence courts, and secret search warrants, the idea that something as public as a copy of a law could be ordered destroyed by a bureaucratic gnome seemed absurd. In a democracy, how could the law itself be considered a secret?

?It just seemed to us that there was nothing here that would not be just fine for the public to see and might be of interest,?? Hartman said. She wasn?t alone in her concerns. Word spread about the unusual request, and librarians across the country began to wonder just what John Ashcroft?s justice department was up to. Soon, the issue was being debated among various library and information science organizations.

?The e-mails started flying,?? said Patrice McDermott, deputy director of the American Library Association. No one could understand why the justice department wanted to destroy the text of laws. That, she said, ?was the most outrageous and egregious aspect of it. Public law? That?s just over the top. We couldn?t grasp what the rationale was.??

The four brochures and one set of microfiche identified on the destruction order all involved federal asset forfeiture ? laws the government uses to seize private property that officials believe was used or purchased by suspected criminals ranging from dope dealers to terrorists. Russell?s e-mail said the reason cited for destroying the records, some of which had been distributed to libraries just months before, was they had been intended for ?internal use only.?? An oops, perhaps.

But the language in Russell?s e-mail was troublesome as well. ?Destroy them by any means?? was interpreted by some to ?presumably include burning or shredding,?? said Michael Gorman, president elect of the ALA. A typical librarian is no more eager to participate in a book-burning that Ashcroft is to attend an ACLU rally.

Even if the documents were intended for ?internal use only,?? librarians believed the publications were not only benign but quite possibly useful to the public. ?Government information belongs to the people who pay for it and it should not be withdrawn on such a flimsy reason,?? Gorman said. The publications, he said, ?told people how to challenge forfeiture of assets. If these weren?t available to you, you would probably have to hire a lawyer or have access to a decent law library, which a lot of people don?t [have].??

The five documents on the destruction list aren?t the only contentious issue between librarians and the justice department. The USA Patriot Act, which gave federal officials expanded power to access patron records, has had librarians worried about being forced to release information they consider private. Ashcroft has been dismissive of their concerns, describing librarians as hysterical.

Their concerns, however, aren?t without merit. In June, the ACLU released records it had obtained under the Freedom of Information Act that showed the justice department had applied to use the expanded snooping powers of the Patriot Act less than a month after Ashcroft assured ALA members that the new powers had never been used.

Further, the FBI sent agents out to libraries on at least one prior occasion to make sure that orders to destroy other records had been followed. That incident took place after the U.S. Geological Survey asked the government printing office in October 2001 to have depository libraries destroy a CD-ROM containing detailed information on large bodies of surface water.

After the CD-ROM incident, librarians began researching the law to determine how to handle future demands. Because the records in question belong to the federal government and are merely on loan to the libraries, librarians learned they had no right to appeal destruction orders and only one real option ? to challenge future destruction orders with the Freedom of Information Act.

But even the lawyer who suggested the FOIA challenge said the chances of success seemed slim. Shortly after 9/11, Ashcroft revised justice department policies to make it much tougher to obtain records, telling agencies that they can ?rest assured?? that his department will back them up when they refuse to release sensitive materials under the new guidelines.

?As a consequence,?? attorney Thomas Susman advised another information sciences organization, the Association of Research Libraries, in March 2002, ?it seems unlikely that a FOIA request for a withdrawn document would succeed.??

In a roundabout way, the librarians eventually proved the attorney wrong. As concern about the newest destruction order grew, the ALA filed an FOIA request with the justice department for copies of the records it wanted destroyed ? and they enlisted the help of the author of the destruction memo. The superintendent of documents had little choice legally to pass along the justice department destruction order, but her office was sympathetic to the librarians? concerns, Hartman said. ?They understand our issues,?? Hartman said. ?Judith was working very hard internally to get the people at DOJ to change their minds.??

Apparently, whoever it was in the justice department who wanted the records destroyed was overruled when the agency?s lawyers examined the librarian?s FOIA request. ?What they did internally at DOJ was have legal counsel do a review and they said they [the documents] were FOIA-able publications?? and would have to be released.

On July 30, just eight days after the destruction order went out, Russell sent another e-mail. The justice department, she wrote, has ?requested that I advise depository libraries to disregard the previous instructions to withdraw these publications.?? The ?hysterical?? librarians had won. The documents would not be destroyed.

Fort Worth Weekly?s telephone calls to the justice department and the Government Printing Office about the flap were not returned. But a check of three area depository libraries that had the records ? at UNT, TCU, and UTA ? found that although the records had either been temporarily removed from the shelves or tagged for removal, none had actually been destroyed during the order?s eight-day life. Thanks to a group of librarians in North Texas and elsewhere, the publications that the justice department wanted destroyed are back on the bookshelves where they belong.


Par for the course for this secretive and deceptive administration. The sooner these bastards are out of office, the better off this country will be!
 

GrGr

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I love you, Madam Librerian

"So the America I loved still exists, if not in the White House or the Supreme Court or the Senate or the House of Representatives or the media. The America I love still exists at the front desks of our public libraries."
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: conjur
Par for the course for this secretive and deceptive administration. The sooner these bastards are out of office, the better off this country will be!

I like how anything related to the patriot act is automatically Ashcroft/Bush's fault. At least give proper credit where it is due.... the other major candidate, along with most of congress voted for the Patriot Act.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ciba
Originally posted by: conjur
Par for the course for this secretive and deceptive administration. The sooner these bastards are out of office, the better off this country will be!

I like how anything related to the patriot act is automatically Ashcroft/Bush's fault. At least give proper credit where it is due.... the other major candidate, along with most of congress voted for the Patriot Act.

And who really read the Patriot Act? Who knew it was going to be abused like it has been? Not the Senators. The Patriot Act is on the shoulders of Ashcroft and Bush. Why do you think they want to extend the expiration of it or make it permanent along with more restrictions?
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: GrGr
I love you, Madam Librerian

"So the America I loved still exists, if not in the White House or the Supreme Court or the Senate or the House of Representatives or the media. The America I love still exists at the front desks of our public libraries."
:thumbsup:
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: conjur
And who really read the Patriot Act? Who knew it was going to be abused like it has been? Not the Senators.

I've seen criticism of corporate executives for less than this. I think a due diligence standard is fair to apply to our congressmen (and women). Not reading something you vote for is, flat-out, not a resonable excuse.

While there is plenty to criticise about the Bush administration in regards to the Patriot Act, there is also plenty of accountability which should be shared among all members of government who contributed to it.

I want to see presidential candidates differentiate themselves from each other on areas where they disagree. Unfortunately, the Patriot Act is not something on which they do. If Kerry wants to differentiate himself from Bush, he needs to find another issue to do it with. Issues like the Patriot Act, where Kerry votes for legislation but opposes that legislation now because it is politically convenient are exactly why he is accused of constantly flip-flopping.

In my opinion, Kerry has waffled on all of the "major" issues. I believe he is getting a free pass when other politicians would be nailed by the media for it. For him to gain credibility in my mind he needs to do two things: 1) explain why he supported certain issues in the first place ("I didn't read it" is not an acceptable answer to me) and 2) explain a detailed plan to deal with these major issues once he becomes president.

Don't get me wrong... I believe that correcting a mistake is fine. I just believe that if any candidate is basing their platform on correcting several mistakes they made, I have serious doubts in their ability to run the country.
 

conjur

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What major issues has Kerry waffled on?

He hasn't waffled on anything.


Now, Bush otoh, I can least almost 2 dozen things he's turned 180degrees on.
 

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Originally posted by: ciba
Originally posted by: conjur
And who really read the Patriot Act? Who knew it was going to be abused like it has been? Not the Senators.

I've seen criticism of corporate executives for less than this. I think a due diligence standard is fair to apply to our congressmen (and women). Not reading something you vote for is, flat-out, not a resonable excuse.

While there is plenty to criticise about the Bush administration in regards to the Patriot Act, there is also plenty of accountability which should be shared among all members of government who contributed to it.

I want to see presidential candidates differentiate themselves from each other on areas where they disagree. Unfortunately, the Patriot Act is not something on which they do. If Kerry wants to differentiate himself from Bush, he needs to find another issue to do it with. Issues like the Patriot Act, where Kerry votes for legislation but opposes that legislation now because it is politically convenient are exactly why he is accused of constantly flip-flopping.

In my opinion, Kerry has waffled on all of the "major" issues. I believe he is getting a free pass when other politicians would be nailed by the media for it. For him to gain credibility in my mind he needs to do two things: 1) explain why he supported certain issues in the first place ("I didn't read it" is not an acceptable answer to me) and 2) explain a detailed plan to deal with these major issues once he becomes president.

Don't get me wrong... I believe that correcting a mistake is fine. I just believe that if any candidate is basing their platform on correcting several mistakes they made, I have serious doubts in their ability to run the country.

You seem to be forgetting this administrations psychotic propensity for secrecy. In no way does the Patriot act REQUIRE this kind of action, but PERMITS it. Ashcroft uses it as a tool to do these sorts of things, and he is famous for his support of subverting the FOIA.

Someone may make a foolish law that I may smack you in the nose, but it is MY fault if I actually do it.
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: conjur
What major issues has Kerry waffled on?

Patriot Act
WMD's in Iraq
Taking action in Iraq.

You seem to be forgetting this administrations psychotic propensity for secrecy. In no way does the Patriot act REQUIRE this kind of action, but PERMITS it. Ashcroft uses it as a tool to do these sorts of things, and he is famous for his support of subverting the FOIA.

Actually, I'm not forgetting it. The Bush administration deserves criticism over this as well. I believe this is an issue where both candidates f'ed up. The problem I have is that Kerry is seen as opposed to the Patriot Act, where he wholeheartedly supported it.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ciba
Originally posted by: conjur
What major issues has Kerry waffled on?

Patriot Act
WMD's in Iraq
Taking action in Iraq.
Care to explain how you think Kerry has waffled on those issues or are you just spouting off some GOP talking points courtesy Hannity?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: ciba
Originally posted by: conjur
What major issues has Kerry waffled on?

Patriot Act
WMD's in Iraq
Taking action in Iraq.

You seem to be forgetting this administrations psychotic propensity for secrecy. In no way does the Patriot act REQUIRE this kind of action, but PERMITS it. Ashcroft uses it as a tool to do these sorts of things, and he is famous for his support of subverting the FOIA.

Actually, I'm not forgetting it. The Bush administration deserves criticism over this as well. I believe this is an issue where both candidates f'ed up. The problem I have is that Kerry is seen as opposed to the Patriot Act, where he wholeheartedly supported it.

He did indeed vote for it. I have no great respect for that even if it was political suicide to vote against such a "patriotic" act. I believe Kerry foolishly voted for it, but now that the cat is out of the bag so to speak, and these incidents have spread from tin foil hat concerns to reality, Kerry and the Democrats generally oppose it. Because one supported a thing does not obligate that it be embraced perpetually.

Bush however not only supports it, but wants it's expansion. That this has not happened is evidence that Congress has smartened up a bit.


I think it less likely that these kinds of abuses would happen in a Kerry administration.

In any case, Kerry could do no worse, and we see what Ashcroft has done.

Now as voters, what do WE do about it?
 

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CIBA:

I'm voting for Kerry, but I'm not giving him a pass. I agree with you. One of the reasons we have so much crummy government is because these bills tend to be very LARGE and poorly written. Often no one has a clue what the outcome will be. The new overtime rules are an example.

Kerry didn't read the supporting documentation behind the authorization to invade Iraq and neither did quite a few other Senators. I'm willing to bet 90% of them didn't read the whole thing.

What we need is a way to make these guys "stand in a corner" for not doing their "homework". :)

Both sides of the isle are very sloppy and lazy.

-Robert