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Liberals, your chickens have come home to roost, now what

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shira said:
Banning all Muslim immigrants may well reduce domestic terrorism (and even that assumption is highly suspect, since a strong anti-Muslim bias built into our immigration laws may actually cause more hostility and terrorism by Muslims already in America).
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Still blaming everyone on Earth for Muslims committing terrorism except the Muslims themselves, I see.

But completely ignored in the "ban Muslim immigrants" mantra is the fact that immigrants bring large benefits to America. If you stop all Muslim immigration, you also prevent all of the benefits those immigrants would bring to America. For example, how many lives would be lost each year because Muslims who would become fine physicians or nurses or psychiatrists or researchers aren't allowed to immigrate? How many good jobs would be lost because Muslims who would become successful entrepreneurs aren't allowed to immigrate?

People generally recognize that, for example, we tolerate the 35,000 deaths caused by car accidents each year because the benefits that cars provide outweigh that loss. But Trump supporters are apparently so frightened by the prospect that - say - 30 American might lose their lives each year to domestic terrorists that they will happily forego all the benefits those banned immigrants would have brought. Are they insane?
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Because they provide no benefits whatsoever. When you get back to Earth, let us know.
 
SMOGZINN said:
All this arguing about religion is a red herring. Any religion can be used to convince the gullible that killing in it's name is the right thing to do. Christianity has had the Crusades, The Inquisition, Branch Davidians, and the Jonestown Massacre to name just a few. Fire and brimstone, or love thy neighbor, all religions can be interpreted any way the religious leaders want and Islam at one time was interpreted to be a religion of reason, science, and peace, but decades of war has made it's people bitter and more open to a message of hate. If we want to change Muslims back to an enlightened culture embracing reason and science we need to support the 'Islam is a religion of peace' message.
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No "we" don't, enough Muslims have to be killed until they realize the costs associated with terrorist acts outweigh the benefits.
 
Roflmouth said:
No "we" don't, enough Muslims have to be killed until they realize the costs associated with terrorist acts outweigh the benefits.
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Never going to happen. You can stomp out a belief people think is worth killing for, but you can not stomp out a belief that they feel is worth dying for.
 
SMOGZINN said:
Never going to happen. You can stomp out a belief people think is worth killing for, but you can not stomp out a belief that they feel is worth dying for.
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Not true, there's numerous examples of it over the years including most recently the Sri Lankans completely wiping out the Tamil Tigers. I doubt the U.S. government would ever commit to what was required to do this however.
 
SMOGZINN said:
Never going to happen. You can stomp out a belief people think is worth killing for, but you can not stomp out a belief that they feel is worth dying for.
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Unless you go the genocide route.... I hope that is not where he is headed. I am hopeful of a revolution within the Islam of the Middle East. The solution must come from them.
 
No one remembers our own home grown terrorists blowing up draft offices, college recruitment centers, etc. 60's anyone? Some of them lead, trained and funded by undercover govment agents?
 
Or the joke about the two Baptists that meet on a bridge, one suicidal the other trying to save him until "heretic!" push.
 
Sheik Yerbouti said:
I keep lots of things close at hand, but that's mainly a convenience thing. Just because you have a bible at hands reach doesn't make you a biblical scholar. And that's been proven here pretty resoundingly.
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I find those that are proud of how close they keep things are generally the most ignorant of those things: the Bible, the constitution, etc.

It's great for those moments when you need to bring it out and wave in people's faces yelling in tongues all the while, but they are really only useful if you read them and actually have the literacy to understand them. I think such people assume they will gain divine knowledge of these texts through simple osmosis.
 
I have a lot of respect for many religious people, but one of the problems of religious indoctrination is that it fosters the us-versus-them mentality that has become the staple of Trump devotees.

It's much easier to treat all Muslims as potential terrorists when your religious beliefs convince you that the mere act of following a different religion (especially one that does have troublesome elements) makes someone evil. How do you see Muslims as the varied, complex human beings they are when you've long been told to think that their very existence is a problem?

Not that being non-religious is guaranteed to make you wiser (I've seen prominent atheists become oddly, disappointingly militant). However, it does reduce that initial knee-jerk reaction, and gives you a better chance of understanding the secular factors that help drive extremism (poverty and a lack of self-governance, for instance). Many ISIS fighters are far from Islamic in practice -- they're driven more by their chance to escape a dead-end life (or persecution from rival factions) than the religious calling, which serves more as a pretext.
 
Roflmouth said:
No "we" don't, enough Muslims have to be killed until they realize the costs associated with terrorist acts outweigh the benefits.
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So, how many of the world's 1.6B Muslims do you propose we kill to accomplish that?

Maybe that's why Donald is so keen on nuclear weapons...
 
bshole said:
Unless you go the genocide route.... I hope that is not where he is headed. I am hopeful of a revolution within the Islam of the Middle East. The solution must come from them.
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Genocide is exactly what Roflmouth described.
And the Middle East is not going to reform in our lifetimes.

The alternative to violence is integration, which has two requirements.
  1. Slow down immigration, and isolate ourselves (greatly, but not entirely) from the Middle East.
  2. We work to build up leaders and cultural icons from the American Muslim community to serve as inspiration for youths. These would be people who share western values, respect the rule of law, and honor our Bill of Rights. Since September 11th, all we hear is that Islam = Terrorism. Their kids hear that too. Then they grow up and identify with the terrorists. We need an alternative message and cultural identify for them to identify as. It is entirely possible for our government to engage with the community and shape a better future.
We need to Manhattan project this !@#$, and we needed to start 20 years ago. But it's never too late to try for peace, because until such an effort is started... Roflmouth has the only plan of action and there are more people than you appreciate who want a leader to follow. Who are desperate for any action, genocide included. A leader needs to show the American people that there are alternatives, forceful and meaningful alternatives that employ time, resources, manpower, and achieves a better result than our blind open border policy that has resulted in foreign agents acting as "home grown" terrorists.

Our current policy is costing lives, the American people need to know a policy exists that can save lives.
 
Jaskalas said:
Our current policy is costing lives, the American people need to know a policy exists that can save lives.
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Why hasn't anyone just done what Trump says he'll do, ask the generals for a plan in 30 days to defeat Isis? It's so simple, I can't believe no one thought of it.
EDIT: Also take their oil...
 
Orignal Earl said:
How long have you had these urges to kill Muslims
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I feel as though many of the people who've liked his posts also want to kill muslims. For their information, groups which can provide that opportunity can be found via this link. But just a warning, these groups are entirely publicly funded (and run rather inefficiently) so hitler wannabes need to stackrank their priorities between killing muslims and killing government spending.
 
Winston Marmaduke III said:
I just want to chime in and say, not all of us Texans are like this TH guy. Some of us actually don't eat Scott Walker's lead paint chips.
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wow, 52 posts in 10 years. Eeesh, some folks do 52 a day. Tip of the hat to you sir. And yea, Texas has Austin, someplace I would love to visit for the food, music and general atmosphere.
 
Indus said:
You need to get out of inbreeding, Alabama and go see the world.

I'm not defending Muslims but there's a vast difference between Singapore and Syria or Pakistan and Putrajaya.

If you ever ventured out of your trailer, you might find a world that is different and that'll scare you so much...
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Muslim nations generally carry the gold standard when it comes to inbreeding, just so you know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#Middle_East_2
 
What's frustrating with the "ban them all" strategy (or worse) is that... well, it's childish. It's an utter refusal to deal with an issue in a sophisticated way, like throwing your hands in the air with a cry of "I give up!"

Adults are supposed to know that lumping 1.6 billion people into a collective "evil" pile is wrong. That many serious problems are the result of numerous, sometimes complicated factors, and that reaching the real solution will likely take a long time and produce an imperfect result. And that life sometimes involves making calculated choices to accept certain risks (not all, but some) in the name of protecting the values you're supposed to cherish.
 
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