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Liberals should never surrender religious banner to conservatives

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Liberals should never surrender religious banner to conservatives

(December 15, 2004) ?

By Lynn Parsons

As we liberals emerge from the setback of the recent presidential election, we are being pelted with advice. On one hand, jubilant Republicans and conservatives advise us to give up or move to Canada. On the other, many are calling for a wholesale watering down of our commitment to social justice.

As an unrepentant (albeit somewhat chastened) liberal, I reject both expatriation and surrender. But I do think some self-examination is in order.

Put simply, liberals have let the opposition capture both the flag and the Bible. Capturing the flag ? posing as more patriotic than their opponents ? is an old GOP trick. It often works, in spite of the fact that since 1960 the Democrats have nominated for president more combat veterans (John F. Kennedy, George McGovern and John Kerry) than the Republicans (the first Bush and Robert Dole).

But the more recent development is the conservative capture of the Bible, or indeed religion in general. It was not always this way, and herein I think lies one of the reasons for the current state of liberal decline.

Most liberals I know are theological illiterates. Because they are more secular-minded than most conservatives, they are uncomfortable with or dismissive of religious phraseology. This is a pity because there is much in traditional religious thought that not only aids our cause, but (if I may use biblical terminology) smites the enemy as well.

Many of the president's conservative supporters proclaim themselves to be Christians. And while a candidate in 2000, Mr. Bush was asked what political philosopher had influenced him most. He replied that it was Jesus Christ. It was a clear ? and successful ? attempt to appeal to Christian fundamentalists.

Fair enough. But have we liberals reminded the president and his followers of who said, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God"?

Or who drove the money-changers from the temple?

Or who it was, when asked what one must do to become his follower, said to give up all he had to the poor? Or who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers"?

Would the man who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers," approve of torturing one's enemies? Would the man who spoke about the difficulties of the rich getting to heaven applaud the widening of the gap between the haves and the have-nots?

Theologians would no doubt have more than one opinion on these matters, but we liberals, uncomfortable in the presence of religion, choose not to take on the conservatives at all. We avoid religious rhetoric, when in fact we should use it.

Most liberals revere the memory of Franklin Roosevelt. On D-Day in 1944, this liberal Democratic president announced that the invasion of Normandy was under way and that men were undoubtedly dying, even as he spoke. He concluded by leading the nation in prayer. No secular-minded liberal objected.

Nearly 20 years later, I stood before the Lincoln Memorial in 1963, a participant in the historic March on Washington. The program (I still have a copy) began with an invocation by the (Catholic) archbishop of Washington, followed later by a prayer from the (Jewish) president of the Synagogue Council of America, and ended with a benediction from the (Protestant) president of Atlanta's Morehouse College. All of us would remember the magnificent oration by Martin Luther King Jr., rich in the biblical rhetoric of both Testaments, as only the Rev. King could deliver it.

No one then objected to linking religion with liberalism.

Contrary to Karl Marx, who famously claimed that "religion was the opiate of the masses," religious faith in America has often been at the foundation of social change. From the abolitionist movement preached here in Rochester in the 1830s, to the social gospel preached in the slums of our great cities in the 1890s, to the civil rights movement of the 1960s, religion has often "comforted the afflicted and afflicted the comfortable." Liberals should remember this. Then we, too, may drive the modern-day money-changers from the temple.

Parsons is a professor in the history department at the State University College at Brockport.

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Resist a liberal and he will Flee!

Or was that resist the devil and he will flee?

Anyways, I find that liberals are less willing to even enter into any discussion regarding theology much less embrace it personally in any manner. That's not mainstream.
 
i don't say abolish religion, i say don't push your religion on me, i ferverently defend people when their religious beliefs are being trampled upon
 
Originally posted by: fluorescenthat
When liberals attack a Judge for wearing the Ten commandments on his robes , liberals have already surrendered religion to the Republicans.
Good, let them continue to make a mockery out of it.
 
I don't know if the sustained drug use screwed up my memory that badly, but IIRC in my youth teens & early 20's liberals ruled the churches, at least the protestant ones I grew up in.
 
Originally posted by: fluorescenthat
When liberals attack a Judge for wearing the Ten commandments on his robes , liberals have already surrendered religion to the Republicans.

Why should a Government Official be allowed to FORCE THEIR RELIGION upon you.

Do you think Jesus approves of Attention Whores?

I wonder if this Judge is PERFECT?

I hope someone digs up some shiat on this guy and blasts him with it.. like

Alcoholic
Spousal Abuse
Drunk Driver
etc etc

 
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
i don't say abolish religion, i say don't push your religion on me, i ferverently defend people when their religious beliefs are being trampled upon

I agree, which is why liberals need to get with the program and stop forcing their immoral beliefs. They're not gonna get votes by contributing to the decline of our society.
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: fluorescenthat
When liberals attack a Judge for wearing the Ten commandments on his robes , liberals have already surrendered religion to the Republicans.

Why should a Government Official be allowed to FORCE THEIR RELIGION upon you.

Do you think Jesus approves of Attention Whores?

I wonder if this Judge is PERFECT?

I hope someone digs up some shiat on this guy and blasts him with it.. like

Alcoholic
Spousal Abuse
Drunk Driver
etc etc

He's not forcing his religion on you. Like if I quote a passage from the Bible here I am not forcing my religion on you. The Christians are afraid of liberals because liberals want to force them to take their religion underground and not allow them to discuss it in public.
BTw you should go and learn about Jesus man because you are going to burn in Hell if you don't become a believer and that IS a fact.
http://www.bible.com/
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
I agree, which is why liberals need to get with the program and stop forcing their immoral beliefs. They're not gonna get votes by contributing to the decline of our society.
Bahaha... and what "immoral" beliefs would that be? Giving gays equal rights? :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: fluorescenthat
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: fluorescenthat
When liberals attack a Judge for wearing the Ten commandments on his robes , liberals have already surrendered religion to the Republicans.

Why should a Government Official be allowed to FORCE THEIR RELIGION upon you.

Do you think Jesus approves of Attention Whores?

I wonder if this Judge is PERFECT?

I hope someone digs up some shiat on this guy and blasts him with it.. like

Alcoholic
Spousal Abuse
Drunk Driver
etc etc

He's not forcing his religion on you. Like if I quote a passage from the Bible here I am not forcing my religion on you. The Christians are afraid of liberals because liberals want to force them to take their religion underground and not allow them to discuss it in public.
BTw you should go and learn about Jesus man because you are going to burn in Hell if you don't become a believer and that IS a fact.
http://www.bible.com/

lol your a funny guy. 🙂

Also he is the representing the state, so he is effectively endorsing a religion on the state's behalf, ie its blatantly unconstitutional and downright immoral.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
i don't say abolish religion, i say don't push your religion on me, i ferverently defend people when their religious beliefs are being trampled upon

I agree, which is why liberals need to get with the program and stop forcing their immoral beliefs. They're not gonna get votes by contributing to the decline of our society.

You won't know morality if I beat you over the head with it.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
i don't say abolish religion, i say don't push your religion on me, i ferverently defend people when their religious beliefs are being trampled upon

I agree, which is why liberals need to get with the program and stop forcing their immoral beliefs. They're not gonna get votes by contributing to the decline of our society.

i think the idea is to not have "WWJD" mentality legislating everyone in this country. It's great that you think you moral inventory is far superion to the rest of us, however be so kind and apply those to yourself only. I am not willing to live by the standards of a particular faith-group that i dont subscribe to.
 
Originally posted by: fluorescenthat
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: fluorescenthat
When liberals attack a Judge for wearing the Ten commandments on his robes , liberals have already surrendered religion to the Republicans.

Why should a Government Official be allowed to FORCE THEIR RELIGION upon you.

Do you think Jesus approves of Attention Whores?

I wonder if this Judge is PERFECT?

I hope someone digs up some shiat on this guy and blasts him with it.. like

Alcoholic
Spousal Abuse
Drunk Driver
etc etc

He's not forcing his religion on you. Like if I quote a passage from the Bible here I am not forcing my religion on you. The Christians are afraid of liberals because liberals want to force them to take their religion underground and not allow them to discuss it in public.
BTw you should go and learn about Jesus man because you are going to burn in Hell if you don't become a believer and that IS a fact.
http://www.bible.com/

oh is that a fact? speaking of the bible wasn't that the book that said something like "first the jews and then the gentiles." guess believing in jesus isn't a requirement for avoiding hell.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Religion is not a repulican value nor are they acting vey christian at all.

right....and your supposed to know what your talking about???

your not vey smart...but your fun to laugh at
 
Liberals really need to fight this, because it's perception, not reality. The Republican party has managed to convince a lot of religious people that they are the party of good, moral, religious behavior. That is pretty untrue in MOST cases, but they've managed to do it by pandering to a few high profile beliefs and ignoring the rest. That's because people in general aren't very good at looking at the whole picture and making decisions based on everyone people do. Instead they see the Republicans on TV blathering about gay marriage, and from that single issue they make the connection between conservatives and moral, religious behavior. Liberals really need to counter this, because it would be pretty easy, the conservatives have left themselves wide open.

And, as my brother likes to point out all the time, Jesus was a pretty radical liberal in his time. Remember what side religion actually represents 😉
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: fluorescenthat
When liberals attack a Judge for wearing the Ten commandments on his robes , liberals have already surrendered religion to the Republicans.

Why should a Government Official be allowed to FORCE THEIR RELIGION upon you.


How is the judge "forcing his religion" on others. He is wearing an article of clothing. If I see a homosexual wearing a rainbrow bracelet, and a "gay-pride" t-shirt, is that person trying to force homosexuality on me?

:roll:
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Do we really need to reduce our political debate to who can out-Jesus the other guy?

Jesus is a lobbyist for the Department of Defense 😉

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said:

Who Would Jesus Bomb

 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: fluorescenthat
When liberals attack a Judge for wearing the Ten commandments on his robes , liberals have already surrendered religion to the Republicans.

Why should a Government Official be allowed to FORCE THEIR RELIGION upon you.


How is the judge "forcing his religion" on others. He is wearing an article of clothing. If I see a homosexual wearing a rainbrow bracelet, and a "gay-pride" t-shirt, is that person trying to force homosexuality on me?

:roll:

wow...just wow. If you don't see the difference here then I suggest you go back to school and get some form of education.
 
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